Jesus is the image and we are an image

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My opinion if I may…

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Jesus is the [visible] image of God, yes?
But Man was also created in the [visible] image of God, yes?

The first statement “Jesus is the [visible] image of God, yes?” I agree, yes.

The second staement…”But Man was also created in the [visible] image of God, yes?” No, I disagree, the scripture Gn.1:26, correctly translated… And saying is the Alueim, “Make will We humanity in our Image…” And in Gn.1:27, And creating is the Alueim humanity in His image. In the image of the Alueim He creates it. Male and female He creates them.

Notice that these statements are yet future, “Make WILL We”… (vs. 27) and “CREATING” is the Alueim…” (vs. 28)

Scripture states that only Christ is the “Image of the invisable God” at this time (era), but mankind will be at the “consummation”, (the completed creation) when God will be “All in all” (1Cor. 15:28)

This is how I see it.

God Bless, Jerry.

PS. I use the “Concordant version” of scripture. I believe this to be the most accurate translation, it is a literal translation. If interseted how this translation originated, see the website “concordant.org”

June 26, 2010 at 3:16 am#199992

942767

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Quote (chosenone @ June 26 2010,12:21)

My opinion if I may…

You say… Quote
Jesus is the [visible] image of God, yes?
But Man was also created in the [visible] image of God, yes?

The first statement “Jesus is the [visible] image of God, yes?” I agree, yes.

Notice that these statements are yet future, “Make WILL We”… (vs. 27) and “CREATING” is the Alueim…” (vs. 28)

This is how I see it.

God Bless, Jerry.

Hi Jerry:

Genesis 1:26 speaks both present and future, because the first man Adam was made a living soul, like God in that he has a mind, a will, and emotions, and the last Adam becomes like him through the Lord Jesus. We are born again Christians become like Him as we learn to apply the Word of God in our daily lives.

Let's look at Genesis 1:26-27:

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26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

God said, “let us make man in our image”, this speaks a process which is both the immediate now, and the future.

And verse 27 states, “So, God created man in his own image”, that is the created man which is the “the immediate now”.

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Genesis 2:7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul

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1 Co. 15:45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Love in Christ,
Marty

June 26, 2010 at 5:24 am#200028

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Hi 942767.

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We are born again Christians become like Him as we learn to apply the Word of God in our daily lives.

I disagree, we are not “born again christians”. This term was used when spoken to Israel as a nation, not to the gentile “nations”. In this present economy we are a “new creation”, as Paul, who was designated by Jesus, to be a teacher for the “nations”.

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God said, “let us make man in our image”, this speaks a process which is both the immediate now, and the future.

Again I disagree, if it was immediate, it would have to say “MADE man in our image”.

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And verse 27 states, “So, God created man in his own image”, that is the created man which is the “the immediate now”.

The correct translation says… “And creating is the Alueim humanity in His image”, still in the future.

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1 Co. 15:45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Notice the last part… “we shall also bear the image of the heavenly”. It says 'WE SHALL' not “WE HAVE”. Still future.

God Bless, Jerry.

June 26, 2010 at 9:08 am#200077

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Jerry,

You have a very distorted view of Scripture which is caused by a desire ti impose some equally distorted view of God and his purposes.

You select and search out the most distorted version of whatever you seek and then claim it as 'the real truth'.

So sad. But so you are, and so you will be. But I would pray that you were not as you are but aiming to become the 'image of Jesus' by following Scriptural truth, in truth.

June 26, 2010 at 6:43 pm#200138

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Quote (JustAskin @ June 26 2010,20:08)

Jerry,

You have a very distorted view of Scripture which is caused by a desire ti impose some equally distorted view of God and his purposes.

You select and search out the most distorted version of whatever you seek and then claim it as 'the real truth'.

So sad. But so you are, and so you will be. But I would pray that you were not as you are but aiming to become the 'image of Jesus' by following Scriptural truth, in truth.

Hi JA.
Thanks for your opinion. I find those that are critical of others beliefs as compared with thier own, will critisize without giving an example of which scripture they feel is not understood. You say that I have “a distorted view of God and His purpose”. You also say… “You select and search out the most distorted version of whatever you seek and then claim it as 'the real truth'”. Again you do not quote any scripture, but resort to accusations based on your opinion, but no scripture. I would be pleased if you would show me an example of what you say… “You select and search out the most distorted version of whatever you seek and then claim it as 'the real truth' “. It would be a real help to learn some of your “Real Truths”, if you would give me an example of my “distorted version”.

God Bless, Jerry.

June 26, 2010 at 8:45 pm#200150

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Jerry,

What is it about God creating man 'in his image' that you cannot understand such that you search out some hitherto unknown version of Scripture stating 'and creating the alueim humanity in His image'

Where is the 'future' part.

Did God not create Adam in His image?

In the fullness of time, Jesus became a Spirit man, that is, a Spirit with a body. And so, those elect WILL also be 'reborn' in the image of Jesus, which means, reborn into a Spirit with body…

So you take the first 'image' statement by God and mix it into the second 'image' statement of Jesus.

Why? What are you hoping to achieve by such thoughts and ideas.

Don't tell me you are trying to say that ALL people will be going to Heaven in the Spiritual Body image of Christ?

June 26, 2010 at 10:03 pm#200163

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Quote (JustAskin @ June 26 2010,20:08)

Jerry,

You have a very distorted view of Scripture which is caused by a desire ti impose some equally distorted view of God and his purposes.

You select and search out the most distorted version of whatever you seek and then claim it as 'the real truth'.

So sad. But so you are, and so you will be. But I would pray that you were not as you are but aiming to become the 'image of Jesus' by following Scriptural truth, in truth.

God Bless, Jerry.

Chisenone……….Good point, JA doesn't seem to produce his Scripture proofs to back him up at times, i noticed that also.

peace and lvoe to you and yours………………..gene

June 27, 2010 at 1:34 am#200177

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Hi JA.

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What is it about God creating man 'in his image' that you cannot understand such that you search out some hitherto unknown version of Scripture stating 'and creating the alueim humanity in His image'

You say “some hitherto unknown version of scripture”. Just because it is unknown to YOU, doesn't mean what you say. I use the “Concordant” version of scripture, it is a literal translation, meaning word for word from the Hebrew. I, and many others, find it the most acurate translation, as most others are really 'iterpretations' not 'translations'. If you would like to examine this version and read about how this translation is done, you could research the information that is readily available. To criticise something you have no understanding about, shows your ignorance, not your wisdom.

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Did God not create Adam in His image?

Does your bible say that? Quote scripture saying this please.

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Don't tell me you are trying to say that ALL people will be going to Heaven in the Spiritual Body image of Christ?

Does scripture not say so? 1Tim4:9-11… 9 Faithful is the saying and worthy of all welcome
10 (for for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of believers.
Maybe your favoured version does not have this scripture?

It would please me if you included scripture with your opinions.

God Bless, Jerry.

June 27, 2010 at 10:14 am#200260

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jerry,

I'm done.

It is clear you have no idea.

You have created your own bible to read what you want to believe. And so be it.

You are the one to attest to your belief before Jesus Christ at the appointed time.

Keep believing what you belive if you feel so to do. But check this: 'if you feel yourself going overboard on any scriptural rendering, think, the Spirit reveals, but test the Spirit..is it of God? For Satan, even now, especially now, is seeking vulnerable one such as yourself who are seeking 'alternatives''. The easiest catch from a flock of birds, are the ones who stray from the flock.

Beware.

June 27, 2010 at 1:05 pm#200273

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JA………..Why do you say that in response to Chosenone asking you to post scriptures to support what you say , He has. If your bible say something different then post it, right? IMO

peace and love…………………..gene

June 27, 2010 at 1:21 pm#200275

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Gene,

I am 'bailing'.

There are limits to idiocy that i won't gi beyond.

I am not like others who feel they need to beat a dead donkey to death.

I can recognise when the donkey is dead already.

And this that Jerry asks is a dead donkey.

Do you imagine that this is my first encounter with Jerry's nonesense?

E.g. He say 'We' are all going to heaven. God will not suffer to see anyone die and will save us all because it says so in one of the okd testament books. The tenet is God will save all men,jerry says. one verse, that speaks about the ELECT, he says means ALL men.
I asked, then does that mean it doesn't matter what people do in their earthly life: rape, murder, pillage, glutton, vice, drugs, procrastination, unbelief in God and the testament of Jesus, etc. All will be forgiven and saved… So what incentive is there to do good?
I await a response even yet! Hasn't changed his thinking though.
Perhaps the Holocaust victims might have something to say about his views, and the Christian martyrs and Jesus himself, 'forgive them, Lord, for they know not what they do'!

Gene, i am no friend to nonesense.

June 27, 2010 at 2:15 pm#200282

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JA……Brother step down just a tad, So are you saying King David , who murdered Uriah the Hittite and commuted adultery with his wife having a illegitimate kid by her, not to mention on his death bed putting out two hit contracts by the hand of his son Solomon. Is God not able to forgive and heal all His creation? How do you know if God does not allow these horrible things to drive home the point of what evil entails to all of us so we can learn to hate evil and love the good. Remember it say to Judge nothing before the time, and again He who does not forgive his brother from the heart , his sin will not be forgiven Him either, Ja we have (ALL) sinned an are worthy of death and if God has mercy on us why not others also, is he so weak he can not say even the worst sinner? If Jesus did not come to condemn anyone who are we to. You said, I ask then does that mean it doesn't matter what people do in their earthy life? Yes it does matter what they do because there sins effect there life right now causing them much suffering in this present life they are living, So to think it does not matter is simply not true, and as far as the future goes they will have of repent of their sins, and the intense Judgements of God (lake of fire) will cause this to occur. All men works will be tried by Fire we are told .

1 Cor 3:13…….> Every man's word shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by FIRE; and the FIRE shall try every man's work of what sort it is..14…> If (any) man's work abides which he has built thereupon, he shall recieve a reward. ..15..> If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: (BUT) he himself shall be save: Yet so as by (FIRE). Yes JA there is indeed intense Judgements waiting all, this Judgment is already on the House hold of God (NOW)> Chosenone is looking at the ultimate out come of all of God creation of course that is after all have repented of all there sin and transgressions. IMO

Peace and love to you and yours JA……………………..gene

June 27, 2010 at 5:06 pm#200295

SimplyForgiven

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Gene,

Can you not see your comparing the desires of sinners.

There is a sinner that loves God,
And there is a sinner that Hates God,

Both Sin, both tresspass God,
But since man is WEAK God chose the foolish things to confound the wise.

can you not see, God is to royal, to good, too awesome, for anyone to have?

do we deserve God? think about that?
God saves those who choose to love him.

God erased all of those who hated him,

and God knowing the very intentions of our hearts, knows very well, to see past the sin, if we are willling to be with him or not,

Like paul, who was a enemy, but God knew his heart, he knew this man would change.
Yet God knew Pharaoh and HARDEN his heart, God knew he wouldnt change.

God CAN do anything, but he wont choose to save everyone.
Its not that he CANT. is more as he is not willing too.

Why?
because we do not deserve God.
but God is willling to save those that love him.
and settle his wrath with those that HATE him.

CHRIST IS FOR THOSE WHO REPENT!! did you forget that?
he took away the sins of those who repented! who believed in him!!
what happens to those who reject Christ? like the pharasis?
was there sin taken away? NO. it wasnt, because they reject Christ.

IF Gods wrath was like a bullet, Jesus took that bullet for all those who believe in him.
but for those who reject him, the bullets is still coming for them.

is this not clear?

June 27, 2010 at 5:33 pm#200301

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SF,

Sterling exposition of Scriptural truth.

Thank you.

Gene, I detect you are angry. Can i ask why?

Do you not like my style? That is one thing.
Do you think my post is bad? That is another.

Did i post bad?

Show me anywhere that i have posted bad? Please, one thing?

Then, my style. you prefer that i write loads of dosh just for typing exercise?

You are coming close to me turning on you. So far you have been spared…and i warned you in a previous post.

If i speak truth, then do not question my method. There is reason behind it.

Needless to say you miss many layers of my posts. I speak multilayered. There is a message in my message…get the message?
There is humour in my message, i can laugh, i have fun, yet talk truth within. I think, i do not use, need no 'Strongs' Concordance, yet post more scriptural truth from almost memory, paraphrasically, than the mothers and fathers of scholars in this forum.

I don't look for praise but don't dismiss it. I don't expect to be believed. Those who are 'elected' to believe will believe. Man, if they crucified Christ, and he was the ''Epitome of God's Word'', then why should i expect any better, nay, even close?

Just doing ma'thang, y'hear!

i look to the post, not the person, i am friend to truth, even with WJ and KJ if they speak truth. Look at how i try to encourage WJ. I don't just say,'hey you wrong', i look first if there is truth then look for the lie or fault.

Jerry is so wrong. Should i persist with nonesense? Futile arguments that have no scriptural basis of worth?

Everyone of us has their pet fault. Mine is 'Mr Aggressive but also Mr God Blessed', like John the Baptist, rough, broady, unwashed, raggish. But you know what…well you work it out.

I know my faults. What's yours?

June 27, 2010 at 6:22 pm#200309

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JA……….. Self Aggrandizement does not cut it. Chosenone posted scriptures to you which you just simply ignore and proceed to ridicule his sources and him and me both. I am (NOT) comparing the desires of Sinners but gave (CLEAR SCRIPTURES) defending my positions. But you chose to interpret it you own way and bypass the scriptures with some foolish ideology of yours. If you were more a friend of truth, then why ridicule people and Why not from Scripture show them where they are wrong.

JA i could care less what your proud self thinks of it self, that is your problem and should not be ours right. So get off yourself for a change and explain what is making you so angry. Don't accuse me of being angry because i am not angry with anyone not even you. I may be angry at what you say but not you , in fact i may even hate what you say at times , and rebuke you, but i am not angry are you as a person. Jesus said he hated the deeds of the Nickolatians , but he did not say he hated them did he.. My advice to you would be be careful, Pride goes before a fall. IMO

peace and love………………….gene

June 27, 2010 at 6:28 pm#200311

SimplyForgiven

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Because Gods love he hates,
If you love everything that is holy, therefore you hate everything that is not

June 27, 2010 at 6:33 pm#200313