Jesus is the image and we are an image

[JustAskin]

Gene,

The only sinful things in the world are man and the fallen angels.

Man is born in sin 'and falls short of the glory of God'.

Every man is in sin and needs to repent, even the one that has not yet physically sinned.

I think there is a human desire to think of babies as innocent. This is wrongful thinking…it is based on emotion. Emotion cannot judge adequately.

Does one feel sorry for a 'baby' cancer cell? No, you need to be unemotional and cut out all cancerous growth without measure else what is left will spread with vigour worse thsn the established cancer cells.

What did God do to the King who did not destroy ALL of the nation that God instructed him to destroy…men, women, children, cattle, chattle, everything…? Was God sympathetic with the children 'who had not yet sinned (by your reckoning?)??

Psalm 51:5…Psalm 53…

[Ed J]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 24 2010,05:21)

t8, Remember the image of God was in Adam but not in seth. Seth had the image of Adam who was now fallen from grace. Therefore the perfect image that God has created man in, is now distorted. Romans 1 clarifys that they knew God and corrupted his uncorruptable image into something corruptable. So they knew him but walked away from Him. So after Adam fall, the image was distorted, until Christ. Christ being the perfect image of God, ressurected that perfect image through himself, Christ. Through Christ we can have the image of God. without him, we are the walking dead, distorted.

Hi SF,

Good insight; I hope others will understand this “Bible Truth” as well!
I'm very pleased with the new members YHVH is bringing to Heaven.net.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[942767]

Quote (JustAskin @ June 24 2010,09:12)

Gene, The only sinful things in the world are man and the fallen angels. Man is born in sin 'and falls short of the glory of God'. Every man is in sin and needs to repent, even the one that has not yet physically sinned. I think there is a human desire to think of babies as innocent. This is wrongful thinking…it is based on emotion. Emotion cannot judge adequately. Does one feel sorry for a 'baby' cancer cell? No, you need to be unemotional and cut out all cancerous growth without measure else what is left will spread with vigour worse thsn the established cancer cells. What did God do to the King who did not destroy ALL of the nation that God instructed him to destroy…men, women, children, cattle, chattle, everything…? Was God sympathetic with the children 'who had not yet sinned (by your reckoning?)?? Psalm 51:5…Psalm 53…

Hi JA:

Sin is defined as “the transgression of the Law”. Do you know any infant who has transgressed the Law?

If your answer is no, then how is an infant born a sinner?

Love in Christ,
Marty

[NickHassan]

Hi SF,
Catholic dogma would condemn the innocent.
Sin comes from our chosen response to lusts.[Jas]
Infants cannot sin and the children of the saved are holy too[1Cor7]

[942767]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 23 2010,15:51)

T8, No problem i thought it would be good for the sake of discussion. To All, What is the differense between the word image and likeness or are they used interchangablely? Oberservation. The bible says that man i.e. Adam and eve were made in the image of God but not us. because Seth was made in the image of Adam WHO was now sinful The IMAGE of God is Jesus, but when he became man, he was in the LIKENESSS of man, and our sinfull nature. We become the IMAGE of God when we become the NEWMan. and we become that new man through Jesus Christ. in simple terms, the image of God is unto the perfect man,  The first Adam and the Second. Through the First we lost that image, through the Second we ressurected that image. Therefore the image of God is Christ his perfect image, flawless.

Hi SF:

And so, Seth was now sinful because Adam sinned?

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Ed J]

Quote (942767 @ June 24 2010,11:04)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 23 2010,15:51) T8, No problem i thought it would be good for the sake of discussion. To All, What is the differense between the word image and likeness or are they used interchangablely? Oberservation. The bible says that man i.e. Adam and eve were made in the image of God but not us. because Seth was made in the image of Adam WHO was now sinful The IMAGE of God is Jesus, but when he became man, he was in the LIKENESSS of man, and our sinfull nature. We become the IMAGE of God when we become the NEWMan. and we become that new man through Jesus Christ. in simple terms, the image of God is unto the perfect man,  The first Adam and the Second. Through the First we lost that image, through the Second we ressurected that image. Therefore the image of God is Christ his perfect image, flawless. Hi SF: And so, Seth was now sinful because Adam sinned? Love in Christ, Marty

Hi Marty (numbers), (Matt.7:7 / 2Tm.2:13)

Romans 5:14-19 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses,
even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression,
who is the figure of him that was to come. But not as the offence, so also is the free gift.
For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace,
which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned,
so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offenses unto
justification. For if by one man's offense death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance
of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Therefore as by the offense
of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came
upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners,
so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[942767]

Quote (Ed J @ June 24 2010,12:18)

Quote (942767 @ June 24 2010,11:04) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 23 2010,15:51) T8, No problem i thought it would be good for the sake of discussion. To All, What is the differense between the word image and likeness or are they used interchangablely? Oberservation. The bible says that man i.e. Adam and eve were made in the image of God but not us. because Seth was made in the image of Adam WHO was now sinful The IMAGE of God is Jesus, but when he became man, he was in the LIKENESSS of man, and our sinfull nature. We become the IMAGE of God when we become the NEWMan. and we become that new man through Jesus Christ. in simple terms, the image of God is unto the perfect man,  The first Adam and the Second. Through the First we lost that image, through the Second we ressurected that image. Therefore the image of God is Christ his perfect image, flawless. Hi SF: And so, Seth was now sinful because Adam sinned? Love in Christ, Marty Hi Marty (numbers), (Matt.7:7 / 2Tm.2:13) Romans 5:14-19 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offenses unto justification. For if by one man's offense death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Therefore as by the offense of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Yes, Ed.:

I am aware of those scriptures. Death reigned because all men have sinned. They did not have a direct commandment from God like Adam had, but they transgressed God's unwritten Law. All have sinned.

Enoch repented and walked with God. All had the opportunity to repent and be reconciled to God.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Ed J]

Quote (942767 @ June 24 2010,11:04)

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 23 2010,15:51) T8, No problem i thought it would be good for the sake of discussion. To All, What is the differense between the word image and likeness or are they used interchangablely? Oberservation. The bible says that man i.e. Adam and eve were made in the image of God but not us. because Seth was made in the image of Adam WHO was now sinful The IMAGE of God is Jesus, but when he became man, he was in the LIKENESSS of man, and our sinfull nature. We become the IMAGE of God when we become the NEWMan. and we become that new man through Jesus Christ. in simple terms, the image of God is unto the perfect man,  The first Adam and the Second. Through the First we lost that image, through the Second we ressurected that image. Therefore the image of God is Christ his perfect image, flawless. Hi SF: And so, Seth was now sinful because Adam sinned? Love in Christ, Marty

Hi Marty,

Seth was created after Adam's image;
NOT after God's image, because of Adams transgression.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 24 2010,04:55)

Hi SF, Catholic dogma would condemn the innocent. Sin comes from our chosen response to lusts.[Jas] Infants cannot sin and the children of the saved are holy too[1Cor7]

Nick,
Im not talking abuot children?
nick if you could SIMPLY connect to what your refferring to it woudl be easier to understand you. gosh
is that to hard to ask for?

do you perfer to be alien to me, than a brother.

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (942767 @ June 24 2010,06:46)

Quote (Ed J @ June 24 2010,12:18) Quote (942767 @ June 24 2010,11:04) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 23 2010,15:51) T8, No problem i thought it would be good for the sake of discussion. To All, What is the differense between the word image and likeness or are they used interchangablely? Oberservation. The bible says that man i.e. Adam and eve were made in the image of God but not us. because Seth was made in the image of Adam WHO was now sinful The IMAGE of God is Jesus, but when he became man, he was in the LIKENESSS of man, and our sinfull nature. We become the IMAGE of God when we become the NEWMan. and we become that new man through Jesus Christ. in simple terms, the image of God is unto the perfect man,  The first Adam and the Second. Through the First we lost that image, through the Second we ressurected that image. Therefore the image of God is Christ his perfect image, flawless. Hi SF: And so, Seth was now sinful because Adam sinned? Love in Christ, Marty Hi SF: And so, Seth was now sinful because Adam sinned? Love in Christ, Marty Hi Marty (numbers), (Matt.7:7 / 2Tm.2:13) Romans 5:14-19 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offenses unto justification. For if by one man's offense death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) Therefore as by the offense of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Yes, Ed.: I am aware of those scriptures.  Death reigned because all men have sinned.  They did not have a direct commandment from God like Adam had, but they transgressed God's unwritten Law.  All have sinned. Enoch repented and walked with God.  All had the opportunity to repent and be reconciled to God. Love in Christ, Marty

Numbers,
I didnt say that Sith was sinful. I said that Seth was created in the image of Adam in his fallen state and conditions. thats all i said.
Therefore Seth had to deal with the same CONSEQUENCES that Adam had, and anything that ADam had to go through, therefore he could be TEMPTED VERY EASILY.
Just like Cain, Seth could be tempted but made other choices,

anythign other than that is speculation.
we just know that SEth was—

***(sorry i sent it early in acccident so im editing it to add the rest of what i was going to say. for some reason pressing enter, posts what i have written before im finished.. sorry guys….)***

—IMPERFECT!!! He was not PERFECT. therefore distorted. He was not a perfect being. but a distorted being. a fallen state, not orginal state.

Who said that ENoch repented? thats speculation. Simply it says that ENoch walked with God! thats it, had a personal relationship with him, and was TRANSLATED. thats it. we dont know anything else, unless we include the book of Enoch.

This is what God searches for a person to be open to him,
Chronicles 28:9 And thou, Solomon my son, know thou the God of thy father, and serve him with a perfect heart and with a willing mind: for the LORD searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts: if thou seek him, he will be found of thee; but if thou forsake him, he will cast thee off for ever.

[942767]

Quote (Ed J @ June 24 2010,12:51)

Quote (942767 @ June 24 2010,11:04) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ June 23 2010,15:51) T8, No problem i thought it would be good for the sake of discussion. To All, What is the differense between the word image and likeness or are they used interchangablely? Oberservation. The bible says that man i.e. Adam and eve were made in the image of God but not us. because Seth was made in the image of Adam WHO was now sinful The IMAGE of God is Jesus, but when he became man, he was in the LIKENESSS of man, and our sinfull nature. We become the IMAGE of God when we become the NEWMan. and we become that new man through Jesus Christ. in simple terms, the image of God is unto the perfect man,  The first Adam and the Second. Through the First we lost that image, through the Second we ressurected that image. Therefore the image of God is Christ his perfect image, flawless. Hi SF: And so, Seth was now sinful because Adam sinned? Love in Christ, Marty Hi Marty, Seth was created after Adam's image; NOT after God's image, because of Adams transgression. God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed:

Following are the scriptures and my understanding of what is being said:

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Genesis 5:3And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:

Seth was born of Adam's sperm, and so he was born a man-child. He still had a mind, a will, and emotions, and all of us are like God in that way, but because we all have sinned our soul is not alive to God. In other words, we do not have a personal relationship with God because of sin, but a child is not born a sinner, and so when the scripture states that Seth was in the likeness and image of Adam, it can only mean that he was man-child.

Let me give the following example of what I am saying. If my Father is an alcoholic, and I am born I look like my Father who is a man, but I am I also like him in the fact that he is an alcoholic?

I am assuming that Adam and Eve shared what happened to them in the Garden of Eden, and the judgment that God rendered to them.

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25And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. 26And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Ed J]

Hi Marty,

Jesus was also born as a child.
So what you are trying to tell us all is not clear at all?

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[942767]

Hi Ed:

Maybe the following scriptures may help:

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Genesis 9:6Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man

This is after the flood.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[SimplyForgiven]

Bump for Numbers

[Ed J]

Quote (942767 @ June 24 2010,13:48)

Hi Ed: Maybe the following scriptures may help: Quote Genesis 9:6Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man This is after the flood. Love in Christ, Marty

Hi Marty,

What does this have to do with Seth being born after Adam's image? (Rev.13:15)

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[942767]

Quote (Ed J @ June 24 2010,13:41)

Hi Marty, Jesus was also born as a child. So what you are trying to tell us all is not clear at all? God bless Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed:

Jesus was born a man-child just like any other infant except that he was conceived of the Holy Ghost. He had a mind, a will, and emotions, just like any other child. We are all like God in that way.
He was raised by parents under the Law of Moses.

He was like God in that he was a man with a mind, and a will, and emotions, but he also became like God through obedience to God's Word, and so, he could say, “he who has seen me has seen the Father”.

It was through that sinless spirit of perfect obedience to God the he as become the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

He was the “first born again from the dead”, and we who are born again, are also becoming like God in that same spirit of love as we learn to obey the Commandments that have come from God to humanity through Jesus.

And so, I am saying that all men are like God in that they have a mind, a will and emotions (including Jesus). The fact that Adam sinned did not change that.

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1 Co 15:42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[Ed J]

Hi Marty,

We need to fully understand the difference between the image of Adam and Christ!
1Cor.15:49: And as we have borne the image of the earthy(Like Seth), (Rev. 13:15)
we shall also bear the image of the heavenly(Same as Christ!). (2Corinthians 4:3-4)

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[JustAskin]

94,

So what is God's law.

I feel you are thinking of the 'visible' Mosaic Law. The law as given to Moses.

Following your logic, all the people before The Mosaic Law, are innocent…even the Ten Commandments…was there no 'law' before the Ten Commandments.

How did Cain 'sin'. Which 'Law' did Cain transgress?
Adam transgressed God instruction not to eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Bad. It wasn't the fruit that caused the problem…it was the transgression of the instruction that brought sin to mankind.

[GeneBalthrop]

Quote (JustAskin @ June 24 2010,09:12)

Gene, The only sinful things in the world are man and the fallen angels. Man is born in sin 'and falls short of the glory of God'. Every man is in sin and needs to repent, even the one that has not yet physically sinned. I think there is a human desire to think of babies as innocent. This is wrongful thinking…it is based on emotion. Emotion cannot judge adequately. Does one feel sorry for a 'baby' cancer cell? No, you need to be unemotional and cut out all cancerous growth without measure else what is left will spread with vigour worse thsn the established cancer cells. What did God do to the King who did not destroy ALL of the nation that God instructed him to destroy…men, women, children, cattle, chattle, everything…? Was God sympathetic with the children 'who had not yet sinned (by your reckoning?)?? Psalm 51:5…Psalm 53…

JA………..I will agree man is born (INTO) a Sinful World, But as a Child He or She is (NOT) a Sinner , We all (BECOME) sinners do to exposures. “FOR (ALL) THAT IS IN THE WORLD, THE LUST OF THE EYES , THE LUST OF THE FLESH, THE PRIDE FROM LIFE, IS OF THE WORLD. Sin is a learned behavior, again while we all have a propensity to sin, due to our flesh natures, we are not born sinners, we become sinners.

I would like to see one scripture that says we are (BORN) sinners, and i will change my thinking brother. Would it be fair for GOD to hold us accountable it we were born a sinner, how could we help it is we sin then?

peace and love to you and yours……………….gene

[RokkaMan]

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 25 2010,03:11)

Quote (JustAskin @ June 24 2010,09:12) Gene, The only sinful things in the world are man and the fallen angels. Man is born in sin 'and falls short of the glory of God'. Every man is in sin and needs to repent, even the one that has not yet physically sinned. I think there is a human desire to think of babies as innocent. This is wrongful thinking…it is based on emotion. Emotion cannot judge adequately. Does one feel sorry for a 'baby' cancer cell? No, you need to be unemotional and cut out all cancerous growth without measure else what is left will spread with vigour worse thsn the established cancer cells. What did God do to the King who did not destroy ALL of the nation that God instructed him to destroy…men, women, children, cattle, chattle, everything…? Was God sympathetic with the children 'who had not yet sinned (by your reckoning?)?? Psalm 51:5…Psalm 53… JA………..I will agree man is born (INTO) a Sinful World, But as a Child He or She is (NOT) a Sinner , We all (BECOME) sinners do to exposures. “FOR (ALL) THAT IS IN THE WORLD, THE LUST OF THE EYES , THE LUST OF THE FLESH, THE PRIDE FROM LIFE, IS OF THE WORLD.  Sin is a learned behavior, again while we all have a propensity to sin, due to our flesh natures, we are not born sinners, we become sinners. I would like to see one scripture that says we are (BORN) sinners, and i will change my thinking brother. Would it be fair for GOD to hold us accountable it we were born a sinner, how could we help it is we sin then? peace and love to you and yours……………….gene

Here's your verse to change your thinking…

Exodus 34:7Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

Exodus 20:5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me,

Duetoronomy 5:9Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

Numbers 14:18 The Lord is slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love, forgiving iniquity and transgression, but he will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, to the third and the fourth generation.’

There's a plethora of scripture that states we are born sinners due to the sins of our Father….tracing all the way back to Adam.

Why else do we die physical deaths?

Because Adam sinned.

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