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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 08 2010,09:40) Jesus Christ is not a second god, sub-god, semi-god, quasi-god, or part of a trinity god, but is very God, Lord of lords, the Creator of all things.
Hey D,Need I read farther? Is God His own “anointed one”? Is He his own messenger? Is He his own “servant”? Did He raise Himself from the dead while dead? Can human beings kill the God that created them? Did God pray to God while God was on earth AND in heaven? Did God beget Himself?
This is even more assinine than the trinity doctrine if you ask me.
mike
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 08 2010,10:49) Mike wanted scriptures about God and what not,
and i believe they make a good case.
I've got all the “Jesus is God” scriptures I can handle in the thread with that title. Why don't you come join in over there? You can defend some of these “proof texts” in the absence of Mark.mike
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 08 2010,09:40) If Christ the Son is not the Father, God Almighty, then the question becomes, “Just Who is He, since there is only one God Who holds the same title as Christ as the One and only Savior?”:“ 
What's harder to fathom? That a Son is his own Father and a Father is his own Son? Or that more than one person hold the title “savior” in the scriptures? I'll let you in on a little secret D. Jesus is not the only one besides God who is a savior in scripture.I've just dealt with this issue in my thread.
You see what I've been saying to JA, Pierre? If your belief is shaky, then you must post volumes and volumes of text to make it “sound” good.
But D, I can't go point by point against these guys, can I? So you should take Shimmer's advice and post just the most solid proof that “Jesus is God” and let's discuss that proof.
God is called “good”. Jesus is called “good”. Oh my! That must mean Jesus is God!
God and His Son share many qualities and titles D. It is in no way “proof” that Jesus is God.
Go back and ask these guys what is meant by 1 Cor 8:6. Ask them why Stephen could see Jesus when he was about to die, but only the GLORY of God? Ask them why the Son is STILL a servant of his God? They actually posted the prayer in Acts that cleary proves Jesus is NOT his God.
mike
Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 09 2010,02:44) Hi SF, Now that you are surrounded by “A circle of Truth”,
I will explain the conundrum that you find yourself in.‘a yes/no’
(your buddies present ‘YES/NO’s too!)
You want both sides of the same issue…
You assert that information un-refuted is “Truth”. (Yes)
I presented information Here that “REMAINS” un-refuted. (No)Do you not see the dichotomy of what you call “Truth” is nothing but a ‘false truth’!
In the case of Paul and Victor you declare their information presented as ‘truth’,
yet ‘YOU’ (SF) refuse this standard in the case of “Bible Truth” I present!Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)
Ed J,
seriously your annoying me.your quoting OUT of Context, the whole point of the formats was to END debate, AND not to be right or wrong, but to finally reach a conclusion.
I never said that THEIR information was Truth.
you make many false claims, and putting words in my mouth.
You IMPLY and ASUMME, which makes you a bit of a heretic.
Maybe you should stop being so conceited and sit back and observe.
Actualy Mike,
The whole point that i posted this is because they make a great case,
and I wanted to see everyone's reactions.Actually you can ask them, im going to invite them in,
and of course you can go to their site and ask them yourself.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 09 2010,06:45) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 08 2010,09:40) Jesus Christ is not a second god, sub-god, semi-god, quasi-god, or part of a trinity god, but is very God, Lord of lords, the Creator of all things.
Hey D,Need I read farther? Is God His own “anointed one”? Is He his own messenger? Is He his own “servant”? Did He raise Himself from the dead while dead? Can human beings kill the God that created them? Did God pray to God while God was on earth AND in heaven? Did God beget Himself?
This is even more assinine than the trinity doctrine if you ask me.
mike
Did you read the article Mike? or just cherry picked?Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 09 2010,13:21) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 09 2010,02:44) Hi SF, Now that you are surrounded by “A circle of Truth”,
I will explain the conundrum that you find yourself in.‘a yes/no’
(your buddies present ‘YES/NO’s too!)
You want both sides of the same issue…
You assert that information un-refuted is “Truth”. (Yes)
I presented information Here that “REMAINS” un-refuted. (No)Do you not see the dichotomy of what you call “Truth” is nothing but a ‘false truth’!
In the case of Paul and Victor you declare their information presented as ‘truth’,
yet ‘YOU’ (SF) refuse this standard in the case of “Bible Truth” I present!Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)
Ed J,
seriously your annoying me.your quoting OUT of Context, the whole point of the formats was to END debate, AND not to be right or wrong, but to finally reach a conclusion.
I never said that THEIR information was Truth.
you make many false claims, and putting words in my mouth.
You IMPLY and ASUMME, which makes you a bit of a heretic.
Maybe you should stop being so conceited and sit back and observe.
Quote I never said that THEIR information was Truth. Hi Dennison,
Well, let's put this issue to rest right now!
Do you consider pinning you down annoying?
Do you believe their information is “Truth” or No?Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 09 2010,07:39) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 09 2010,13:21) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 09 2010,02:44) Hi SF, Now that you are surrounded by “A circle of Truth”,
I will explain the conundrum that you find yourself in.‘a yes/no’
(your buddies present ‘YES/NO’s too!)
You want both sides of the same issue…
You assert that information un-refuted is “Truth”. (Yes)
I presented information Here that “REMAINS” un-refuted. (No)Do you not see the dichotomy of what you call “Truth” is nothing but a ‘false truth’!
In the case of Paul and Victor you declare their information presented as ‘truth’,
yet ‘YOU’ (SF) refuse this standard in the case of “Bible Truth” I present!Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)
Ed J,
seriously your annoying me.your quoting OUT of Context, the whole point of the formats was to END debate, AND not to be right or wrong, but to finally reach a conclusion.
I never said that THEIR information was Truth.
you make many false claims, and putting words in my mouth.
You IMPLY and ASUMME, which makes you a bit of a heretic.
Maybe you should stop being so conceited and sit back and observe.
Quote I never said that THEIR information was Truth. Hi Dennison,
Well, let's put this issue to rest right now!
Do you consider pinning you down annoying?
Do you believe their information is “Truth” or No?
Lol, Ed J
You humor me and annoy me in the very same time.Your equivlent to the Chicken named steward who thought the sky was falling.
You didnt pin me at anything with your nonsense.
Your not making any sense at all, your not even answering the “thread” that is currently being discussed.
You just came out of no where, with a tanget of saying that Jesus didnt HAVE to answer back to false accusation, which ISNT the same thing im asking for.
All i Did is posted an article, and for someone just to ignorantly just say its wrong without any given reason for ALL who read is just plain disturbing and annoying.
Its very obvious that I do Believe Jesus is God Ed J,
Dont you believe the Holy Spirit is God? YES or NO?
Quote (SF @ 1) Actually you can ask them, im going to invite them in, and of course you can go to their site and ask them yourself.
Cool. I look forward to the discussion. I hope they are willing to take it point by point and stay on task.Quote (SF @ 2) Did you read the article Mike? or just cherry picked?
Cherry picked. That's a lot of reading there D. I'm old, you know. From what I did read, it sounded like the same old, same old.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 09 2010,07:46) Quote (SF @ 1) Actually you can ask them, im going to invite them in, and of course you can go to their site and ask them yourself.
Cool. I look forward to the discussion. I hope they are willing to take it point by point and stay on task.Quote (SF @ 2) Did you read the article Mike? or just cherry picked?
Cherry picked. That's a lot of reading there D. I'm old, you know. From what I did read, it sounded like the same old, same old.
peace and love,
mike
Actually they are very good at discussing things.
Look at the reponses they made for Bod in the Unbelievers section.I dont know if they are willing too, but I already notified them a few mins ago.
they dont believe in the Trinity Mike FYI.
I dont understand how no one is willing to investigate.
Long post do take time, but also isnt it worth it to find out if something true or not? to affirm your position or reaffirm it.
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 09 2010,13:43) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 09 2010,07:39) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 09 2010,13:21) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 09 2010,02:44) Hi SF, Now that you are surrounded by “A circle of Truth”,
I will explain the conundrum that you find yourself in.‘a yes/no’
(your buddies present ‘YES/NO’s too!)
You want both sides of the same issue…
You assert that information un-refuted is “Truth”. (Yes)
I presented information Here that “REMAINS” un-refuted. (No)Do you not see the dichotomy of what you call “Truth” is nothing but a ‘false truth’!
In the case of Paul and Victor you declare their information presented as ‘truth’,
yet ‘YOU’ (SF) refuse this standard in the case of “Bible Truth” I present!Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)
Ed J,
seriously your annoying me.your quoting OUT of Context, the whole point of the formats was to END debate, AND not to be right or wrong, but to finally reach a conclusion.
I never said that THEIR information was Truth.
you make many false claims, and putting words in my mouth.
You IMPLY and ASUMME, which makes you a bit of a heretic.
Maybe you should stop being so conceited and sit back and observe.
Quote I never said that THEIR information was Truth. Hi Dennison,
Well, let's put this issue to rest right now!
Do you consider pinning you down annoying?
Do you believe their information is “Truth” or No?
Lol, Ed J
You humor me and annoy me in the very same time.Your equivlent to the Chicken named steward who thought the sky was falling.
You didnt pin me at anything with your nonsense.
Your not making any sense at all, your not even answering the “thread” that is currently being discussed.
You just came out of no where, with a tanget of saying that Jesus didnt HAVE to answer back to false accusation, which ISNT the same thing im asking for.
All i Did is posted an article, and for someone just to ignorantly just say its wrong without any given reason for ALL who read is just plain disturbing and annoying.
Its very obvious that I do Believe Jesus is God Ed J,
Dont you believe the Holy Spirit is God? YES or NO?
Hi Dennison,You're trying to put words in my mouth; I never said it was false or truth!
Fix the first Post so it isn't so minuscule and I'll address those points (if you want me to).So now you're on record of saying(in essence): that THEIR information was Truth; No?
Quote Dont you believe the Holy Spirit is God? YES or NO?
Of course; you should know that by now! (Acts 5:3-4 / Luke 1:35)Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 09 2010,08:06) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 09 2010,13:43) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 09 2010,07:39) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 09 2010,13:21) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 09 2010,02:44) Hi SF, Now that you are surrounded by “A circle of Truth”,
I will explain the conundrum that you find yourself in.‘a yes/no’
(your buddies present ‘YES/NO’s too!)
You want both sides of the same issue…
You assert that information un-refuted is “Truth”. (Yes)
I presented information Here that “REMAINS” un-refuted. (No)Do you not see the dichotomy of what you call “Truth” is nothing but a ‘false truth’!
In the case of Paul and Victor you declare their information presented as ‘truth’,
yet ‘YOU’ (SF) refuse this standard in the case of “Bible Truth” I present!Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)
Ed J,
seriously your annoying me.your quoting OUT of Context, the whole point of the formats was to END debate, AND not to be right or wrong, but to finally reach a conclusion.
I never said that THEIR information was Truth.
you make many false claims, and putting words in my mouth.
You IMPLY and ASUMME, which makes you a bit of a heretic.
Maybe you should stop being so conceited and sit back and observe.
Quote I never said that THEIR information was Truth. Hi Dennison,
Well, let's put this issue to rest right now!
Do you consider pinning you down annoying?
Do you believe their information is “Truth” or No?
Lol, Ed J
You humor me and annoy me in the very same time.Your equivlent to the Chicken named steward who thought the sky was falling.
You didnt pin me at anything with your nonsense.
Your not making any sense at all, your not even answering the “thread” that is currently being discussed.
You just came out of no where, with a tanget of saying that Jesus didnt HAVE to answer back to false accusation, which ISNT the same thing im asking for.
All i Did is posted an article, and for someone just to ignorantly just say its wrong without any given reason for ALL who read is just plain disturbing and annoying.
Its very obvious that I do Believe Jesus is God Ed J,
Dont you believe the Holy Spirit is God? YES or NO?
Hi Dennison,You're trying to put words in my mouth; I never said it was false or truth!
Fix the first Post so it isn't so minuscule and I'll address those points (if you want me to).So now you're on record of saying(in essence): that THEIR information was Truth; No?
Quote Dont you believe the Holy Spirit is God? YES or NO?
Of course; you should know that by now! (Acts 5:3-4 / Luke 1:35)
Dude Just Drop it,
ITs nonsenseQuote (SF @ 1) they dont believe in the Trinity Mike FYI.
Agreed. When I got to the point that the Father and the Son are the SAME PERSON as well as the same God, I posted my remark about not needing to read any further. Even the trinity makes more sense than that, for Jesus and Jehovah are DEFINITELY different persons.Quote (SF @ 2) I dont understand how no one is willing to investigate.
D, when you lump many scriptures out of context together, anyone can make any crazy claim “sound reasonable”. But I would LOVE to debate these guys in a Q and A, point by point and scripture by scripture debate about whether Jesus is God. In fact, I would love to debate ANYONE about that. I though I was going to have my chance when Mark posted something he found on the internet that listed all these “Jesus is God proof scriptures”. So I posted his post in a new thread and started burning down his straw house with scriptural fire………..and he bailed on me. He couldn't/didn't refute one single rebuttal I made. So I welcome these guys. I will learn lots in the process of refuting their “proof texts”.But I won't debate like you do. The long “structured” debates are boring and too long to read and write. One point and question at a time will be perfect.
peace and love,
mikeQuote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 09 2010,14:08) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 09 2010,08:06) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 09 2010,13:43) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 09 2010,07:39) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 09 2010,13:21) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 09 2010,02:44) Hi SF, Now that you are surrounded by “A circle of Truth”,
I will explain the conundrum that you find yourself in.‘a yes/no’
(your buddies present ‘YES/NO’s too!)
You want both sides of the same issue…
You assert that information un-refuted is “Truth”. (Yes)
I presented information Here that “REMAINS” un-refuted. (No)Do you not see the dichotomy of what you call “Truth” is nothing but a ‘false truth’!
In the case of Paul and Victor you declare their information presented as ‘truth’,
yet ‘YOU’ (SF) refuse this standard in the case of “Bible Truth” I present!Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)
Ed J,
seriously your annoying me.your quoting OUT of Context, the whole point of the formats was to END debate, AND not to be right or wrong, but to finally reach a conclusion.
I never said that THEIR information was Truth.
you make many false claims, and putting words in my mouth.
You IMPLY and ASUMME, which makes you a bit of a heretic.
Maybe you should stop being so conceited and sit back and observe.
Quote I never said that THEIR information was Truth. Hi Dennison,
Well, let's put this issue to rest right now!
Do you consider pinning you down annoying?
Do you believe their information is “Truth” or No?
Lol, Ed J
You humor me and annoy me in the very same time.Your equivlent to the Chicken named steward who thought the sky was falling.
You didnt pin me at anything with your nonsense.
Your not making any sense at all, your not even answering the “thread” that is currently being discussed.
You just came out of no where, with a tanget of saying that Jesus didnt HAVE to answer back to false accusation, which ISNT the same thing im asking for.
All i Did is posted an article, and for someone just to ignorantly just say its wrong without any given reason for ALL who read is just plain disturbing and annoying.
Its very obvious that I do Believe Jesus is God Ed J,
Dont you believe the Holy Spirit is God? YES or NO?
Hi Dennison,You're trying to put words in my mouth; I never said it was false or truth!
Fix the first Post so it isn't so minuscule and I'll address those points (if you want me to).So now you're on record of saying(in essence): that THEIR information was Truth; No?
Quote Dont you believe the Holy Spirit is God? YES or NO?
Of course; you should know that by now! (Acts 5:3-4 / Luke 1:35)
Dude Just Drop it,
ITs nonsense
Ed………………are you instigating again?
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 09 2010,21:08) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 09 2010,08:06) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 09 2010,13:43) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 09 2010,07:39) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Dec. 09 2010,13:21) Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 09 2010,02:44) Hi SF, Now that you are surrounded by “A circle of Truth”,
I will explain the conundrum that you find yourself in.‘a yes/no’
(your buddies present ‘YES/NO’s too!)
You want both sides of the same issue…
You assert that information un-refuted is “Truth”. (Yes)
I presented information Here that “REMAINS” un-refuted. (No)Do you not see the dichotomy of what you call “Truth” is nothing but a ‘false truth’!
In the case of Paul and Victor you declare their information presented as ‘truth’,
yet ‘YOU’ (SF) refuse this standard in the case of “Bible Truth” I present!Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14 / Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)
Ed J,
seriously your annoying me.your quoting OUT of Context, the whole point of the formats was to END debate, AND not to be right or wrong, but to finally reach a conclusion.
I never said that THEIR information was Truth.
you make many false claims, and putting words in my mouth.
You IMPLY and ASUMME, which makes you a bit of a heretic.
Maybe you should stop being so conceited and sit back and observe.
Quote I never said that THEIR information was Truth. Hi Dennison,
Well, let's put this issue to rest right now!
Do you consider pinning you down annoying?
Do you believe their information is “Truth” or No?
Lol, Ed J
You humor me and annoy me in the very same time.Your equivlent to the Chicken named steward who thought the sky was falling.
You didnt pin me at anything with your nonsense.
Your not making any sense at all, your not even answering the “thread” that is currently being discussed.
You just came out of no where, with a tanget of saying that Jesus didnt HAVE to answer back to false accusation, which ISNT the same thing im asking for.
All i Did is posted an article, and for someone just to ignorantly just say its wrong without any given reason for ALL who read is just plain disturbing and annoying.
Its very obvious that I do Believe Jesus is God Ed J,
Dont you believe the Holy Spirit is God? YES or NO?
Hi Dennison,You're trying to put words in my mouth; I never said it was false or truth!
Fix the first Post so it isn't so minuscule and I'll address those points (if you want me to).So now you're on record of saying(in essence): that THEIR information was Truth; No?
Quote Dont you believe the Holy Spirit is God? YES or NO?
Of course; you should know that by now! (Acts 5:3-4 / Luke 1:35)
Dude Just Drop it,
ITs nonsense
Mikei can see edj as improved is presentation ,looks more colorful
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 10 2010,12:01) Mike i can see edj as improved is presentation ,looks more colorful
Pierre
He is now not only the master of numbers, but the master of size and colors of letters too!
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 10 2010,19:04) Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 10 2010,12:01) Mike i can see edj as improved is presentation ,looks more colorful
Pierre
He is now not only the master of numbers, but the master of size and colors of letters too!
Mike 
Mike, you write:
“If your belief is shaky, then you must post volumes and volumes of text to make it ‘sound’ good.”
That’s not always true. If you were applying that to the beliefs of Kenneth Leckey, AP Adams, and so many other nominal Christians who espouse the “trinity,” then you could be right. But you aren’t correct applying that to us (if you are) when we take these propagandists of false doctrine to task, refuting them point by point.
It’s true, however, that I don’t need a lot of words to destroy the “trinity” or to answer your challenge. The answers are quite simple, but that doesn’t mean you will believe or receive them. The problem for you isn’t one of sufficient intellect and logic to comprehend the simple, but of a nature that cannot receive or comprehend the things of God. You haven’t been born again of Christ, which makes understanding the things of God impossible for you. How can you comprehend the Kingdom of Heaven, without knowing the King?
Let me start my answer with your signature line:
“'Who has a claim against me that I must pay? Everything under heaven belongs to me.’ – Jehovah God”
Who do the Scriptures say is “Jehovah God”? Jesus Christ, of course!
“And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, All authority is given to Me in Heaven and in earth. Therefore go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things, whatever I commanded you. And, behold, I am with you all the days until the end of the world. Amen” (Matthew 28:18-20 MKJV).
Jesus speaks with all the authority of God, in His Name (indicating His Nature), acting as God in our lives. And there is no separation in Him, as if there are different entities communicating with us. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one. There is “one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, Who is above all, through all, and in you all” (Ephesians 4:5-6).
How is God through all and in all who believe? By His Spirit, the Spirit of Christ, which is to say, the Lord Jesus Christ:
“…which is His [Christ’s] body, the fullness of Him Who fills all in all” (Ephesians 1:23 MKJV).
For those who think there is a new-fangled New Testament formula for God, the prophet Isaiah spoke of the one true God, Who has many titles but one Name, long before Christ appeared:
“For to us a Child is born, to us a Son is given; and the government shall be on His shoulder; and His Name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6 MKJV).
Your objection about Stephen seeing Jesus Christ, “but only the GLORY of God,” is simple to answer: Seeing Jesus Christ IS seeing the glory of God:
“Who being the shining splendor of His glory, and the express image of His essence…” (Hebrews 1:3 MKJV).
“…and that every tongue may confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father” (Philippians 2:11 EMTV).
The upshot is that Stephen saw only one God, to Whom he prayed:
“So they stoned Stephen, while he prayed, ‘Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.’ Then, rising on his knees, he cried aloud, ‘Lord, do not reckon this sin against them.’ And with these words he fell asleep” (Acts 7:59-60 WNT).
Paul also saw only one God too, the Lord Jesus Christ, in regards to your question/objection about the following Scripture:
“…but there is to us only one God, the Father, of Whom are all things, and we in Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through Whom are all things, and we by Him” (1 Corinthians 8:6 MKJV).
Paul wasn’t talking about God being two entities, but about how God has manifested Himself to us in Christ in order to make us in His image. Paul knew that Jesus Christ is God and unequivocally said so:
“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among nations, believed on in the world, and received up into glory” (1 Timothy 3:16 MKJV).
Paul also knew that not all professors of faith know these things:
“But this knowledge is not in all” (1 Corinthians 8:7 MKJV).
Mike, let me ask you a practical question. Do you believe that Jesus Christ is Lord, speaking with all authority of God? Do you hear His voice and obey Him as Lord? If that were so, why would this other matter to you at all? From your perspective as His creature, what difference is there between the Lord Jesus Christ and God?
I have another series of questions for you: Do you have eternal life now, or do you expect to receive it after you die and get resurrected? Will you be resurrected? Are you sure? What makes you sure? Your beliefs and obedience? What if you’re wrong? Do you have any guarantees? Will it be too late to find out then? Do you believe one can know in this life or not?
Well hi there Mr. Cohen! So glad you decided to come over.
If you are interested in a Q and A, point by point, scripture by scripture discussion about whether or not Jesus is God, I'm all for it.
In fact, I'll move your FIRST point to a debate thread so we can get started. I'm not interested in many, many scriptures thrown at me all at once. I'm interested in seeing whether or not the FIRST scripture you throw at me REALLY says “Jesus is God Almighty”. THEN we can move on to another.
Look for Mike vs. Paul ( Is Jesus God Almighty ) in the debate section if you're interested.
P.S. I hope your explanations will get better than your one about Stephen.
peace and love,
mikeMike, I am interested in talking to you as one human being to another, but not in your artificial debate parameters. Your actions and suggestions are cowardly and dishonest.
You responded to Dennison’s posting of our writing on this forum, and I answered you, point by point. If you aren’t Christian enough to reasonably answer for yourself, even regarding your own objections that you brought up, then you have already lost the “debate” and will leave as impoverished as you came. Only now, you are called into account before God and Christ for your empty and belligerent words.
I also asked you a number of questions about the really important matter of your personal relationship with God through the Lord Jesus Christ, and you ignored those. Is that because you don’t have one? We know the answer, but I ask for your sake.
Demonstrate to us your claimed “peace and love,” address what is already on the table in this forum, respectfully answer the questions, and we will see where we go from there.
Paul Cohen
http://www.ThePathofTruth.com
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