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Greetings to all,
I read someone's signature and it said, “Witnessing for YHVH.”
The “True” Jehovah's witness were supposed to be His people, the Jews. They were entrusted with the Oracles of God for the first few thousand years.
Now, the Christians have been entrusted with the NT for the past 2,000 years.
How should we be identified?
And who should we be witnesses for?
David
Quote (davidbfun @ July 25 2010,04:37) Greetings to all, I read someone's signature and it said, “Witnessing for YHVH.”
The “True” Jehovah's witness were supposed to be His people, the Jews. They were entrusted with the Oracles of God for the first few thousand years.
Now, the Christians have been entrusted with the NT for the past 2,000 years.
How should we be identified?
And who should we be witnesses for?
David
David! Are you a W.J. if you are don't ever be ashamed of that. My Husbsnd used to let them into our Home, and we had several debates here. It was a very nice W.J. that told us of the preexsisting of Jesus. We used to have another W.J. coming here on H.N.all the time, and I thnk that He got chased away. Don't let that happen to you……IreneQuote (Arnold @ July 26 2010,04:55) We used to have another W.J. coming here on H.N.all the time, and I thnk that He got chased away. Don't let that happen to you……Irene
Hi Irene,No, the other David is still around. He has assured me that he couldn't ever be “chased away” from HN.
Btw, I don't think David B Fun is a JW. Are you David?
mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 26 2010,04:58) Quote (Arnold @ July 26 2010,04:55) We used to have another W.J. coming here on H.N.all the time, and I thnk that He got chased away. Don't let that happen to you……Irene
Hi Irene,No, the other David is still around. He has assured me that he couldn't ever be “chased away” from HN.
Btw, I don't think David B Fun is a JW. Are you David?
mike
He is? I have not seen Him??? Show me one of His post's….IreneQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 26 2010,12:58) Quote (Arnold @ July 26 2010,04:55) We used to have another W.J. coming here on H.N.all the time, and I thnk that He got chased away. Don't let that happen to you……Irene
Hi Irene,No, the other David is still around. He has assured me that he couldn't ever be “chased away” from HN.
Btw, I don't think David B Fun is a JW. Are you David?
mike
Hi Mike,I'm not a JW but have many friends that are.
Nobody has an idea of what this post is about?
Praise God?
Praise Son?
Phil 2:9-11
David
Quote (Arnold @ July 26 2010,13:09) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 26 2010,04:58) Quote (Arnold @ July 26 2010,04:55) We used to have another W.J. coming here on H.N.all the time, and I thnk that He got chased away. Don't let that happen to you……Irene
Hi Irene,No, the other David is still around. He has assured me that he couldn't ever be “chased away” from HN.
Btw, I don't think David B Fun is a JW. Are you David?
mike
He is? I have not seen Him??? Show me one of His post's….Irene
Hi Irene, and only Irene (Georg, too)Yes David is around and I thought about changing my signature to my last name so that we wouldn't be confused and you'd see why I am “fun”.
Mr. Bean
or could use my degree….Dr. David, but that is pretentious.
or I am a retired teacher,,,,how about “The Professor” haha
Here in Colombia they just call me “Gringo” or “Mono” (White boy).
Brother in Christ.
which do you prefer?
PS: As for my affiliation now, I am a “Biblian”
Quote (Arnold @ July 26 2010,13:09) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 26 2010,04:58) Quote (Arnold @ July 26 2010,04:55) We used to have another W.J. coming here on H.N.all the time, and I thnk that He got chased away. Don't let that happen to you……Irene
Hi Irene,No, the other David is still around. He has assured me that he couldn't ever be “chased away” from HN.
Btw, I don't think David B Fun is a JW. Are you David?
mike
He is? I have not seen Him??? Show me one of His post's….Irene
Hi Irene,I decided to change my sign off as “The Professor” so you can respond with “TP” and all it's worth.
The Professor
PS Since you are in Germany you may not get the pun:
TP = Toilet Paper (And I'm full of it)
Quote (davidbfun @ July 26 2010,07:30) Hi Mike, I'm not a JW but have many friends that are.
Nobody has an idea of what this post is about?
Hi David,Most of my family are JWs. But I still love them!
That was a joke, I have nothing against Jehovah's Witnesses at all.I suppose your thread is trying to say since we don't really know the correct pronunciation of YHVH, and since Jesus is now a big part of the picture, are we still to be the “faithful and discreet slave” who proclaims Jehovah and His forthcoming kingdom?
I say “Yesiree Bob!” Jesus was sent to “re-point” us to his God, Jehovah. It is Jehovah we should “witness” about, although we can use Jesus to do this, since Jesus also pointed us to his Father as the maker of all good things and our ultimate Savior.
Did I get it right?
mike
Quote We used to have another W.J. coming here on H.N.all the time, and I thnk that He got chased away. Don't let that happen to you……Irene –irene
Wha?
I don't know why people say this whenever I get bored of these discussions. I have never backed down from a discussion. Never. I just find this taking up way too much of my time. I always come on here and say I'll only spend this much time, but then I find myself involved in 5 discussions at once, and spending hours a day, and it's really too much.
Quote (Arnold @ July 26 2010,05:09) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 26 2010,04:58) Quote (Arnold @ July 26 2010,04:55) We used to have another W.J. coming here on H.N.all the time, and I thnk that He got chased away. Don't let that happen to you……Irene
Hi Irene,No, the other David is still around. He has assured me that he couldn't ever be “chased away” from HN.
Btw, I don't think David B Fun is a JW. Are you David?
mike
He is? I have not seen Him??? Show me one of His post's….Irene
here's one. I made a hundred posts 2 weeks ago. I took a break.Quote And who should we be witnesses for? According to the Bible, we are both to be witnesses for Jesus and for Jehovah.
We are to witness for and about both.A GREAT LINE OF WITNESSES
According to the Bible, the line of witnesses of Jehovah reaches back to faithful Abel. Hebrews 11:4–12:1 says:
“By faith Abel offered God a sacrifice of greater worth than Cain . . . By faith Noah, after being given divine warning of things not yet beheld, showed godly fear . . . By faith Abraham, when he was called, obeyed in going out into a place he was destined to receive as an inheritance . . . By faith Moses, when grown up, refused to be called the son of the daughter of Pharaoh, choosing to be ill-treated with the people of God rather than to have the temporary enjoyment of sin . . . So, then, because we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also put off every weight and the sin that easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us.”“JESUS CHRIST, THE FAITHFUL WITNESS”
With reference to Jesus Christ, the Bible states: “These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God.” Of whom was he a witness? He himself said that he made his Father’s name manifest. He was the foremost witness of Jehovah.—Rev. 3:14; John 17:6. (Compare Rev 1:5; 1 Timothy 6:13)
ISRAEL, GOD'S PEOPLE, WERE HIS WITNESSES
“Ye are my witnesses, saith Jehovah, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after. . . . I have declared, and I have saved, and I have showed; and there was no strange `god' among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith Jehovah, and I am God.”—Isaiah 43:10, 12, American Standard Version.But, there are also scriptures that speak of preaching and witnessing about Jesus.
A witness is someone who essentially tells the truth about what they know. We are to do this about both Jesus and Jehovah.Quote (davidbfun @ July 26 2010,07:37) Hi Irene, and only Irene (Georg, too) Yes David is around and I thought about changing my signature to my last name so that we wouldn't be confused and you'd see why I am “fun”.
Mr. Bean
or could use my degree….Dr. David, but that is pretentious.
or I am a retired teacher,,,,how about “The Professor” haha
Here in Colombia they just call me “Gringo” or “Mono” (White boy).
Brother in Christ.
which do you prefer?
PS: As for my affiliation now, I am a “Biblian”
Are you in Colombia?I lived there for 18 months and loved it.
I was in Bogota.
http://www.virtualamericas.net/colombia/photos/cities/bogota/Quote (david @ July 29 2010,16:29) Quote (Arnold @ July 26 2010,05:09) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 26 2010,04:58) Quote (Arnold @ July 26 2010,04:55) We used to have another W.J. coming here on H.N.all the time, and I thnk that He got chased away. Don't let that happen to you……Irene
Hi Irene,No, the other David is still around. He has assured me that he couldn't ever be “chased away” from HN.
Btw, I don't think David B Fun is a JW. Are you David?
mike
He is? I have not seen Him??? Show me one of His post's….Irene
here's one. I made a hundred posts 2 weeks ago. I took a break.
Great happy to hear from you…. Hope all is well…??? We have several new members, did you notice??? Georg is getting tired of it all too, and I think He should take a break….take care IreneDo JWs enjoy witnessing loved ones die for want of a blood transfusion, or is it just something they endure for their Imaginary Friend?
Stuart
Quote (t8 @ July 29 2010,10:46) Quote (davidbfun @ July 26 2010,07:37) Hi Irene, and only Irene (Georg, too) Yes David is around and I thought about changing my signature to my last name so that we wouldn't be confused and you'd see why I am “fun”.
Mr. Bean
or could use my degree….Dr. David, but that is pretentious.
or I am a retired teacher,,,,how about “The Professor” haha
Here in Colombia they just call me “Gringo” or “Mono” (White boy).
Brother in Christ.
which do you prefer?
PS: As for my affiliation now, I am a “Biblian”
Are you in Colombia?I lived there for 18 months and loved it.
I was in Bogota.
http://www.virtualamericas.net/colombia/photos/cities/bogota/
hmmm alot of colombians hereQuote (david @ July 29 2010,10:28) Quote We used to have another W.J. coming here on H.N.all the time, and I thnk that He got chased away. Don't let that happen to you……Irene –irene
Wha?
I don't know why people say this whenever I get bored of these discussions. I have never backed down from a discussion. Never. I just find this taking up way too much of my time. I always come on here and say I'll only spend this much time, but then I find myself involved in 5 discussions at once, and spending hours a day, and it's really too much.
Preach brother Preach!Quote (t8 @ July 30 2010,00:46) Quote (davidbfun @ July 26 2010,07:37) Hi Irene, and only Irene (Georg, too) Yes David is around and I thought about changing my signature to my last name so that we wouldn't be confused and you'd see why I am “fun”.
Mr. Bean
or could use my degree….Dr. David, but that is pretentious.
or I am a retired teacher,,,,how about “The Professor” haha
Here in Colombia they just call me “Gringo” or “Mono” (White boy).
Brother in Christ.
which do you prefer?
PS: As for my affiliation now, I am a “Biblian”
Are you in Colombia?I lived there for 18 months and loved it.
I was in Bogota.
http://www.virtualamericas.net/colombia/photos/cities/bogota/
Hi t8,Sorry I didn't see any posts and was just browsing.
Yes, I have been living near Medellin for about a year now and started living in Colombia in Cartagena in July 2003.
I'll check out the fotos. Thanks.
The Professor
Quote (david @ July 30 2010,00:37) Quote And who should we be witnesses for? According to the Bible, we are both to be witnesses for Jesus and for Jehovah.
We are to witness for and about both.A GREAT LINE OF WITNESSES
According to the Bible, the line of witnesses of Jehovah reaches back to faithful Abel. Hebrews 11:4–12:1 says:
“By faith Abel offered God a sacrifice of greater worth than Cain . . . By faith Noah, after being given divine warning of things not yet beheld, showed godly fear . . . By faith Abraham, when he was called, obeyed in going out into a place he was destined to receive as an inheritance . . . By faith Moses, when grown up, refused to be called the son of the daughter of Pharaoh, choosing to be ill-treated with the people of God rather than to have the temporary enjoyment of sin . . . So, then, because we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also put off every weight and the sin that easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us.”“JESUS CHRIST, THE FAITHFUL WITNESS”
With reference to Jesus Christ, the Bible states: “These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God.” Of whom was he a witness? He himself said that he made his Father’s name manifest. He was the foremost witness of Jehovah.—Rev. 3:14; John 17:6. (Compare Rev 1:5; 1 Timothy 6:13)
ISRAEL, GOD'S PEOPLE, WERE HIS WITNESSES
“Ye are my witnesses, saith Jehovah, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after. . . . I have declared, and I have saved, and I have showed; and there was no strange `god' among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith Jehovah, and I am God.”—Isaiah 43:10, 12, American Standard Version.But, there are also scriptures that speak of preaching and witnessing about Jesus.
A witness is someone who essentially tells the truth about what they know. We are to do this about both Jesus and Jehovah.
Hello David,I liked your quotes, thanks.
If we are to witness for Jehovah, what are we supposed to talk about?
I've already found out here that there is adamant disagreement over the name. You use Jehovah which you realize the “J” wasn't around until the 1500s and couldn't be God's name. Someone else uses Yahweh. Another Ya Ha Va. I call Jesus Jesus with the “J”, too.
When I “preach”/ witness I bring up “God” and how much He loved us but the majority of the time I talk about Jesus and the wonderful things he means to me.
The Jews were entrusted with the OT and to make God known which appears they didn't do so well, especially since they killed God's Messiah, sent to save them. Christians are given the NT to spread the word concerning Christ, no?
So when I saw someone's “witnessing for YHVH” I had to question whether this was right or not.
I felt that as Christians we were to witness for Christ.
I thought the Jews were the ones to witness for YHVH and that they are the “true” Jehovah's Witnesses.Who would be audacious enough to try to take the Jews' position and relationship with God from them by claiming to be Jehovah' Witness? Funny no? JWs Jews…only one letter difference.
Ironically, when I posted this I wasn't even thinking about JWs.
I can think about the Gospel and how it applies to Jesus, I can't think of a way to try to witness for YHVH because YHVH points all the glory to His son and His son's actions and obedience.
We talk about how we are the “church” of Christ….not YHVH, eh?
Who else feels we should be witnessing for Yehovah/Jehovah/Yahweh?
Who feels we should be witnessing for Jesus?
The Professor
Quote If we are to witness for Jehovah, what are we supposed to talk about? A Witness is someone who tells what they know about something. We are to “witness” about God, and what he has done to save mankind through his son, Jesus. We also witness or preach Jesus.
Concerning God, we preach, first and most basically, that he exists. We preach and witness about who he is, and what he has done, and will do. We imitate the “faithful and true witness,” Jesus, in this respect. We witness about “God's kingdom” and what it will do for mankind under Christ's rule.
Quote When I “preach”/ witness I bring up “God” and how much He loved us but the majority of the time I talk about Jesus and the wonderful things he means to me.
As someone who preaches, I'm wondering if you also preach about God's kingdom and what it will do for mankind. As you know, Jesus foretold a great preaching work regarding this kingdom. (Mat 24:14)Quote The Jews were entrusted with the OT and to make God known which appears they didn't do so well, especially since they killed God's Messiah, sent to save them. Christians are given the NT to spread the word concerning Christ, no?
Christians are given the “good news” about Jesus and the kingdom to spread. But, while 'Christ put an end to the law', the law was our tutor leading to Christ. The law made it manifest that people needed a savior. There is much we can learn from the law, even though we are not under it, as the Israelite nation was. “All Scripture” is inspired of God and beneficial… (2 tim 3) While we do preach Christ, we also imitate Christ in our preaching. He quoted from the Hebrew scriptures hundreds of times.Quote So when I saw someone's “witnessing for YHVH” I had to question whether this was right or not.
I see.
Paul said to become imitators of him, even as he is an imitator of Christ. Well, Christ is twice called the faithful and true witness. He was a Witness for and of his Father. While on earth, he told people about his Father and his Father's kingdom of which he himself would play a central role. Jesus was and is the Greatest Witness for God. We are to imitate him. But we of course also witness for and about Jesus.Quote Who would be audacious enough to try to take the Jews' position and relationship with God from them by claiming to be Jehovah' Witness? Funny no? JWs Jews…only one letter difference.
You really won't ever find anyone mixing up JW's and Jews. JW's and Mormon's maybe (only because Mormon's are also known for witnessing publicly.) JW's simply realize that we are to tell people (witness) about God, just as Jesus did.
Noah, Abraham, Moses, and a long list of other faithful servants are included in being called a “great cloud of witnesses,” in Hebrews 11:4–12:1. Modern JW's take the position that it would basically be bloodguilt to know something of such life saving importance, and not share it with others.Quote We talk about how we are the “church” of Christ….not YHVH, eh? I'm not sure who the “we” is, but if YHVH is God, then really, if you look in the Bible, you'll find more references to the “congregation of God” then you do to the “congregation [church] of Christ.”
“congregation of Christ” 0 times
“congregation of Jesus” 0 times
“congregation of God.” 7 times in NT. (Acts, 1 cor, 2 cor, Gal)Example:
Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through God’s will, and Sos′the·nes our brother 2 to the congregation of God that is in Corinth, to YOU who have been sanctified in union with Christ Jesus, called to be holy ones, together with all who everywhere are calling upon the name of our Lord, Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:Part of the problem that you discuss has to do with the fact that we have no original manuscripts of the NT, only copies of copies. In the Hebrew scripture, we know that God's name existed.
We also know that in copies of the Septuagint (Hebrew Bible written in Greek), they removed God's name, even though in the earlier fragments we have, it definitely existed (dead sea scolls, etc.)I think there is evidence that God's name originally existed in the Greek scriptures and that it was removed. We know the Jews in their apostasy became superstitious about pronouncing and using God's name. Often, the Greek scriptures quote the Hebrew. Does it make sense that they would remove God's name when quoting from a verse with the name originally there? Jesus said he made his Father's name known. I don't see Jesus following the superstitious traditions of the Jews.
Anyway, people would be a lot more used to the idea of using phrases like “congregation of Jehovah” if the Greek scriptures weren't tampered with, and even, indeed, if modern Bible's weren't tampered with concerning the Heb scriptures.
david
david.
A witness is not a person who joins any particular denomination.
A witness is someone who speaks the true message of God about God.God's structure is not like our structures.
We run businesses and people think that churches should be run the same way.
And they are actually right because a man-made church is a man-made creation that is there to do the bidding of man.The Body of Christ is the real Church. The body faces many enemies, needless to say, the world is one of them.
Beware of the world. It comes in many guises.
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