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Quote (terraricca @ July 17 2013,09:39) Quote (kerwin @ July 17 2013,05:23) Quote (terraricca @ July 17 2013,04:19) Quote (kerwin @ July 17 2013,00:49) Quote (terraricca @ July 16 2013,23:11) Quote (kerwin @ July 16 2013,12:01) T, Quote BUT SINS THE KING OF SODOM DID NOT WORSHIP THE GOD OF ABRAHAM HE DID NOT PAY THE TITHE TO MELCHIZEDEK THE HIGH PRIEST OF THE GOD OF ABRAHAM , Scripture does not say so and so we do not know if or if not the king of Sodom paid a tithe to anyone. Unless we have more information it is a mystery that cannot be solved.
KerwinYES ,KERWIN I CAN LIVE WITH THAT ANSWER ,BUT IT SEEMS YOU CANNOT ,YOU HAVE TO INVENT THAT SODOM WORSHIP THE “EL” OF ABRAHAM ,AND THIS IS A LIE ,IF IT WOULD BE SO IT WOULD HAVE SAID SO ,
SO DO NOT SAY THINGS YOU CAN NOT BACK UP WITH SCRIPTURES
T,Today many say that both Trinitarians and Jehovah Witnesses worship the same El. In that way Abraham and the king of Sodom worshiped the same El. I know of no Scripture that condemns the worship of El, even the Canaanite El.
Kyou back at it
why was Sodom destroyed
for there good behavior and god fearing people ? and Canaan was it not the land that God of Abraham promised to his future offspring,and that God destroyed for them and that God told them not to go after the gods of the Canaanites I am done with you on” EL ” passo
T,By the time of the children being called out of Israel the Canaanites turned to worshiping Baal. Even then you had those, like Balamm, that worshiped both.
Numbers 22:13
King James Version (KJV)13 And Balaam rose up in the morning, and said unto the princes of Balak, Get you into your land: for the Lord(Jehovah) refuseth to give me leave to go with you.
KQuote By the time of the children being called out of Israel the Canaanites turned to worshiping Baal. Even then you had those, like Balamm, that worshiped both. you mean; out of Egypt
Nu 22:1 Then the Israelites traveled to the plains of Moab and camped along the Jordan across from Jericho.
Nu 22:2 Now Balak son of Zippor saw all that Israel had done to the Amorites,
Nu 22:3 and Moab was terrified because there were so many people. Indeed, Moab was filled with dread because of the Israelites.REV 2:14 ‘But I have a few things against you, because you have there some who hold the teaching of Balaam, who kept teaching Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit acts of immorality.
JUDE 1:11 Woe to them! For they have gone the way of Cain, and for pay they have rushed headlong into the error of Balaam, and perished in the rebellion of Korah.
2PE 2:15 forsaking the right way, they have gone astray, having followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
MIC 6:5 “My people, remember now
What Balak king of Moab counseled
And what Balaam son of Beor answered him,
And from Shittim to Gilgal,
So that you might know the righteous acts of the LORD.”NE 13:2 because they did not meet the sons of Israel with bread and water, but hired Balaam against them to curse them. However, our God turned the curse into a blessing.
Quote like Balamm, that worshiped both. could you show that he did this in scriptures
to me it is either or neither you cannot worship the true God and Satan at the same time
T,He already states Jehovah gave him a command.
He was also killed with those that worshiped the Baal of Peor.
That is his error and its wages were death.
Quote (Ed J @ July 16 2013,19:55) Remember your new approach,
which allows for my perspective of truth, and not just yours alone;
which goes no-where towards “OUR” mutual understanding.
Ed,I like you, so I hope you don't take this the wrong way……… If our mutual understanding involves me exchanging certain scriptural truths for your flawed and unscriptural claims – just so we can claim to have a mutual agreement – then forget it.
My understanding will always be 100% what the scriptures say. So any mutual understanding we come to will include YOU aligning YOUR beliefs 100% with the scriptures. Only then will you and I have a mutual agreement on scriptural issues.
Quote (Ed J @ July 16 2013,19:55) I don't believe that Molech (Ref. Lev.18:21) was a fallen Angel's name……….
Why?Quote (Ed J @ July 16 2013,19:55) but rather…
I believe that Molech was and is a 'false god' – meaning “A FICTITIOUS god”
which was perpetrated by a fallen Angel.
Are you saying the angel who “made up” the god Molech didn't want to be worshiped himself? Instead he made up a fake god for people to worship, without those people ever knowing anything at all about the angel himself; and without them giving the angel himself any kind of worship?For what purpose would he do this? I was under the impression that Satan and his followers wanted to play God, and vainly have humans worship THEM. You don't agree with that?
At any rate, I don't know of any place in scripture where Molech is said to be the “made up” god from some fallen angel….. but I do know that Jehovah Himself calls Molech a god in 1 Kings 11:33. (Your AKJV says “Milcom” in that verse, but both names refer to the same god of the Ammonites – according to the scholars.)
Quote (Ed J @ July 16 2013,19:55) The distintcual difference here is: although Satan was and is also a fallen angel
(called 'Lucifer' Ref. Isaiah 14:12), his false light instead portrays himself
as the true “GOD” (ref. 2Thess.2:3-4), rather than merely 'another god'.
But Jehovah calls Satan a god. So does Paul.(Notice that in both cases [Molech and Satan] YOU are aligning yourself with your own thoughts and perceptions of what should be – while I am simply going by exactly what the scriptures teach. And since your own thoughts and perceptions are teaching something OTHER THAN what the scriptures teach, how can we ever have a mutual understanding about this stuff?)
Quote (Ed J @ July 16 2013,19:56) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 17 2013,07:31) Quote (Ed J @ July 15 2013,19:21) Hi Mike, 1) I'd say JEHOVAH deserves to take credit for those he sends.
(1)Agreed. But if that reasoning works for “only savior”, why doesn't it work equally well for “only god”?(2)Of all the many gods, both in heaven and on earth, not ONE of them would have the power to pick his own nose if it wasn't given to him from Jehovah in the first place, right?
(3)So just like no one would have the power to save without Jehovah giving that power – no one would have power over the lives and affairs of humans, or the course of nature without Jehovah giving that power.
(4)So in that way, Jehovah could claim to be the ONLY mighty one in existence, because without Him, no others would be mighty in the least.
Hi Mike,1) I echo your sentiment here: In what seems to be a strange turn of events, we may be making some headway here.
GOOD QUESTION! Here's why: YHVH did send “saviors” (Neh 9:27), but He didn't send other gods! (<– do you agree?)2) This question is based on a false presupposition and therefore not worthy of a response.
3) Now you're trying to build on YOUR false presupposition.
(Back to your tired OLD FAILED POLICIES again I see)4) We already know how you're understanding the Scriptures, now we
are beginning to discuss my point of view (your new approach).
1. He sent Jesus, who is called a god in at least 4 scriptures. He sent the judge Deborah, who was called “elohim”. And you believe Psalm 82 is about human judges who were called “gods” and sent by Jehovah, right?Besides, your rebuttal is faulty in that it insists we narrow the parameters so the truth will only fit what you WANT it to fit. (Lightenup is a pro at this technique.)
The question does not revolve around God SENDING anyone. It revolves around God saying He is the ONLY savior, when we know other saviors EXIST (whether or not they were SENT).
In the same way, the question revolves around whether or not there EXIST other gods – not whether or not Jehovah SENT any of them. Scriptures say there do exist gods besides Jehovah. In fact Jehovah is the God OF those other gods.
2. Actually, my words, “many gods, both in heaven and on earth” came directly from 1 Cor 8:5, Ed.
3. Then perhaps it's FINALLY time you tell me YOUR definition of “god”. I agree with Webster: Any of various beings conceived of as supernatural, immortal, and having special powers over the lives and affairs of people and the course of nature.
If you do NOT agree with that definition, then please give me your definition of “god”.
4. You gave no direct rebuttal of #2, #3, or #4, Ed. You saying, “false presupposition” and “we already know your understanding” is not really addressing the points I made, now is it?
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Quote T, He already states Jehovah gave him a command.
He was also killed with those that worshiped the Baal of Peor.
That is his error and its wages were death.
i REALLY DO suggest that you read the entire story of the events with balaam and Balak , in the bible you have no clue who is who and what .never mind why .
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 18 2013,08:55) Quote (Ed J @ July 16 2013,19:54) I follow the Jewish Kosher laws.
Why? Are you a Jew?
No, but my brother calls me “a fake Jew” because I follow them.
It is a matter of health that we don't eat scavenger animals.
I don't care what others eat – it's only me I worry about.Stuart can say he sacrificed a cow, lamb, chicken, ect… to Jupiter and I'd still eat it.
But I'm “a fake vegetarian” as well, I eat many meals with no meat at all.
I got a belly because I have too high of a “fat” intake. (about 30%)
Most Nutritionalist's say your fat intake should ONLY be 10%.Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 18 2013,09:42) Quote (Ed J @ July 16 2013,19:55) I don't believe that Molech (Ref. Lev.18:21) was a fallen Angel's name……….
(1)Why?Quote (Ed J @ July 16 2013,19:55) but rather…
I believe that Molech was and is a 'false god' – meaning “A FICTITIOUS god”
which was perpetrated by a fallen Angel.
(2)Are you saying the angel who “made up” the god Molech didn't want to be worshiped himself? (3)Instead he made up a fake god for people to worship, without those people ever knowing anything at all about the angel himself; and without them giving the angel himself any kind of worship?(4)For what purpose would he do this? (5)I was under the impression that Satan and his followers wanted to play God, and vainly have humans worship THEM. (6)You don't agree with that?
(7)At any rate, I don't know of any place in scripture where Molech is said to be the “made up” god from some fallen angel….. (8)but I do know that Jehovah Himself calls Molech a god in 1 Kings 11:33. Your AKJV says ”
1 Kings 11:5 (KJV)” in that verse, (9)but both names refer to the same god of the Ammonites – according to the scholars.)Quote (Ed J @ July 16 2013,19:55) The distintcual difference here is: although Satan was and is also a fallen angel
(called 'Lucifer' Ref. Isaiah 14:12), his false light instead portrays himself
as the true “GOD” (ref. 2Thess.2:3-4), rather than merely 'another god'.
(10)But Jehovah calls Satan a god. So does Paul.(11)(Notice that in both cases [Molech and Satan] (12)YOU are aligning yourself with your own thoughts and perceptions of what should be – (13)while I am simply going by exactly what the scriptures teach. (14)And since your own thoughts and perceptions are teaching something OTHER THAN what the scriptures teach, how can we ever have a mutual understanding about this stuff?)
Hi Mike,1) Because there's no evidence to suggest it was.
Do believe Molech was the name of a fallen Angel? …if so, why?2) No, why did it sound like I did?
3) To me, that scenario sounds more likely.4) That calls for speculation.
5) There is plenty of evidence to suggest that is true of [Lucifer[/i].
6) Not without evidence, do you have any?7) That scenario fits, and there's no evidence to suggest otherwise; unless YOU have some
8) I don't see Molech there and they are two different words.
9) Scholars??? …Scripture please!10) Is he not a false god?
11) Where is Molech called 'a god'? …Scripture please!
12) Are you looking in a mirror while you say this?
13) You should be able to produce Scriptures that say what you claim then, No?
14) Spin (nobody is forcing you to discuss Scripture with me, now are they? You do it because you want to.)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 18 2013,09:42) Quote (Ed J @ July 16 2013,19:55) Remember your new approach,
which allows for my perspective of truth, and not just yours alone;
which goes no-where towards “OUR” mutual understanding.
Ed,(1) I like you, so I hope you don't take this the wrong way……… If our mutual understanding involves me exchanging certain scriptural truths for your flawed and unscriptural claims – just so we can claim to have a mutual agreement – then forget it.
(2)My understanding will always be 100% what the scriptures say. (3)So any mutual understanding we come to will include YOU aligning YOUR beliefs 100% with the scriptures. (4)Only then will you and I have a mutual agreement on scriptural issues.
Hi Mike,1) HA Ha ha ha ha!!!
2) I have had to adjust mine along the way as well.
3) Righto 4) I agree here as well.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 18 2013,09:57) 1. He sent Jesus, who is called a god in at least 4 scriptures. (a)He sent the judge Deborah, who was called “elohim”. (b)And you believe Psalm 82 is about human judges ©who were called “gods” and sent by Jehovah, right? (d)Besides, your rebuttal is faulty in that it insists we narrow the parameters so the truth will only fit what you WANT it to fit. (Lightenup is a pro at this technique.)
(e)The question does not revolve around God SENDING anyone. (f)It revolves around God saying He is the ONLY savior, when we know other saviors EXIST (whether or not they were SENT).
(g)In the same way, the question revolves around whether or not there EXIST other gods – not whether or not Jehovah SENT any of them. (h)Scriptures say there do exist gods besides Jehovah. (i)In fact Jehovah is the God OF those other gods.
2. Actually, my words, “many gods, both in heaven and on earth” came directly from 1 Cor 8:5, Ed.
3. Then perhaps it's FINALLY time you tell me YOUR definition of “god”. (a)I agree with Webster: Any of various beings conceived of as supernatural, immortal, and having special powers over the lives and affairs of people and the course of nature.
(b)If you do NOT agree with that definition, then please give me your definition of “god”.
4. You gave no direct rebuttal of #2, #3, or #4, Ed. You saying, “false presupposition” and “we already know your understanding” is not really addressing the points I made, now is it?
Hi Mike,1) Actually, there are NONE!
a) He sent Magistrates – one of the definitions of “EL-o-heem”.
b) Men, there is no evidence to suggest Psalm 82:6 is about “Judges”.
c) Apparently men are being called “EL-o-heem” – So to YOU they are gods then? <– Please do answer this question.d) Narrowing the parameters doesn't change truth into something else?
What are you talking about here?e) I believe it does. What evidence do you have to suggest it doesn't?
f) So do you agree that he did NOT send 'gods' then?g) There is ONLY GOD and false gods, there are no other God's Mike.
h) Only false gods
i) GOD is the God of men, are men god's Mike?2) Many gods = ONE REAL GOD, and many fakes.
3) Creator and ruler of the universe
a) That would be an idol or a false god.
b) See #3 and #3a4) I address the facts about what is said, not opinions based on
presuppositions – it would be a waste of my time to argue
about YOUR opinions; you can do that with others.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEdj
Those fallen angels that are playing gods ,they do it with men ,and so make gods of some of them ,so they are real gods but wen it comes to live and dead they have no power ,and so are the wrong powers to join because there is a power above them,who as that control,it is like going to the middle men wen you can go to the top men you usually have a better. Deal
But you can not call the middle men a false Boss ,because he his real,not all can see or want to deal with the top boss
Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,20:47) Edj Those fallen angels that are playing gods ,they do it with men ,and so make gods of some of them ,so they are real gods but wen it comes to live and dead they have no power ,and so are the wrong powers to join because there is a power above them,who as that control,it is like going to the middle men wen you can go to the top men you usually have a better. Deal
But you can not call the middle men a false Boss ,because he his real,not all can see or want to deal with the top boss
Hi Pierre,“GOD” did not send fallen Angels to be gods or 'bosses' over men – if this what you believe, count me out.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,16:08) Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,20:47) Edj Those fallen angels that are playing gods ,they do it with men ,and so make gods of some of them ,so they are real gods but wen it comes to live and dead they have no power ,and so are the wrong powers to join because there is a power above them,who as that control,it is like going to the middle men wen you can go to the top men you usually have a better. Deal
But you can not call the middle men a false Boss ,because he his real,not all can see or want to deal with the top boss
Hi Pierre,“GOD” did not send fallen Angels to be gods or 'bosses' over men – if this what you believe, count me out.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdjDid I say a thing like that
NO, This would mean that God is not in control,and we know he is and always was and will be,
Angel that are wicked are no different than men that are wicked,it is only there inviroment that is different ,or the area of power that is higher if it is an angel and lower if it is men ,but being rebel against God being an angel or men would be the same thing ,but the judgment is different because the judgment of God works on the knowledge we have or could have have and refuse it ,in this case the angel with greater knowledge will be judge more severely than men,but there outcome would end up the same, I do not think that Christ died for the rebel angels I mean to save them ,
Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,21:58) Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,16:08) Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,20:47) Edj Those fallen angels that are playing gods ,they do it with men ,and so make gods of some of them ,so they are real gods but wen it comes to live and dead they have no power ,and so are the wrong powers to join because there is a power above them,who as that control,it is like going to the middle men wen you can go to the top men you usually have a better. Deal
But you can not call the middle men a false Boss ,because he his real,not all can see or want to deal with the top boss
Hi Pierre,“GOD” did not send fallen Angels to be gods or 'bosses' over men – if this what you believe, count me out.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdjDid I say a thing like that
NO,This would mean that God is not in control,and we know he is and always was and will be,
Angel that are wicked are no different than men that are wicked,it is only there inviroment that is different ,or the area of power that is higher if it is an angel and lower if it is men ,but being rebel against God being an angel or men would be the same thing ,but the judgment is different because the judgment of God works on the knowledge we have or could have have and refuse it ,in this case the angel with greater knowledge will be judge more severely than men,but there outcome would end up the same, I do not think that Christ died for the rebel angels I mean to save them ,
Hi Pierre,Of course I know you DON'T believe that!
I was merely illustrating how others 'spin' what people say.
It really *S-T-I-N-K-S* when someone does this to what we say, doesn't it.Go back and look at your post, I pieced together three ideas that you actually did say.
But I certainly know that you didn't mean it the way I 'spun' it back to you.fallen angels that are playing gods – it is like going to the middle men – you can not call the middle men a false Boss
“GOD” did not send fallen Angels to be gods or 'bosses' over men – if this what you believe, count me out.
(So did YOU say a thing like that? “YES” but is that what you meant? “NO!”)WATCH and see how others actually do this very thing!
And actually believe that is what was really meant.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,17:32) Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,21:58) Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,16:08) Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,20:47) Edj Those fallen angels that are playing gods ,they do it with men ,and so make gods of some of them ,so they are real gods but wen it comes to live and dead they have no power ,and so are the wrong powers to join because there is a power above them,who as that control,it is like going to the middle men wen you can go to the top men you usually have a better. Deal
But you can not call the middle men a false Boss ,because he his real,not all can see or want to deal with the top boss
Hi Pierre,“GOD” did not send fallen Angels to be gods or 'bosses' over men – if this what you believe, count me out.
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdjDid I say a thing like that
NO,This would mean that God is not in control,and we know he is and always was and will be,
Angel that are wicked are no different than men that are wicked,it is only there inviroment that is different ,or the area of power that is higher if it is an angel and lower if it is men ,but being rebel against God being an angel or men would be the same thing ,but the judgment is different because the judgment of God works on the knowledge we have or could have have and refuse it ,in this case the angel with greater knowledge will be judge more severely than men,but there outcome would end up the same, I do not think that Christ died for the rebel angels I mean to save them ,
Hi Pierre,Of course I know you DON'T believe that!
I was merely illustrating how others 'spin' what people say.
It really *S-T-I-N-K-S* when someone does this to what we say, doesn't it.Go back and look at your post, I pieced together three ideas that you actually did say.
But I certainly know that you didn't mean it the way I 'spun' it back to you.fallen angels that are playing gods – it is like going to the middle men – you can not call the middle men a false Boss
“GOD” did not send fallen Angels to be gods or 'bosses' over men – if this what you believe, count me out.
(So did YOU say a thing like that? “YES” but is that what you meant? “NO!”)WATCH and see how others actually do this very thing!
And actually believe that is what was really meant.Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJI agree with you but you stop answering me in what I really wanted to mean ;and so change the direction of the conversation to another ,
this I have to say you are good in itHi Pierre,
I don't always answer you when you are just expressing your opinion.
There is no reason for me to argue about how YOU see things.
It is MUCH better to show you a different way of looking
at the same material. The way “I” see things that is.
And I'm glad you appreciate my tactics! God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,19:15) Hi Pierre, I don't always answer you when you are just expressing your opinion.
There is no reason for me to argue about how YOU see things.
It is MUCH better to show you a different way of looking
at the same material. The way “I” see things that is.
And I'm glad you appreciate my tactics! God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjdid i say that i appreciate your way ;
your conclusion is definitely premature ,did not the snake tell his version of events to Eve I rather like the events told by Christ and his disciples
Hi Pierre,
Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,22:43) EDJ I agree with you but you stop answering me in what I really wanted to mean ;and so change the direction of the conversation to another ,
this I have to say you are good in it
Did you not say I was “GOOD” at something?Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2013,01:29) Quote (Ed J @ July 19 2013,00:15) I'm glad you appreciate my tactics!
edjdid i say that i appreciate your way ;
your conclusion is definitely premature ,did not the snake tell his version of events to Eve I rather like the events told by Christ and his disciples
Are you now trying to imply that evil was involved?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,20:38) Hi Pierre, Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,22:43) EDJ I agree with you but you stop answering me in what I really wanted to mean ;and so change the direction of the conversation to another ,
this I have to say you are good in it
Did you not say I was “GOOD” at something?Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2013,01:29) edj did i say that i appreciate your way ;
your conclusion is definitely premature ,did not the snake tell his version of events to Eve I rather like the events told by Christ and his disciples
Are you now trying to imply that evil was involved?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjNO
but you did understand how it stinks right it is better to be frank and direct ,and to be truthful at all times
so it is truth that is build not confusion ,yes means yes, NO means NO ,
not turning and running around the bush so to speak, in this way we let the spirit of truth guide us ,not our own mind,
Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2013,01:53) Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,20:38) Hi Pierre, Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,22:43) EDJ I agree with you but you stop answering me in what I really wanted to mean ;and so change the direction of the conversation to another ,
this I have to say you are good in it
Did you not say I was “GOOD” at something?Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2013,01:29) edj did i say that i appreciate your way ;
your conclusion is definitely premature ,did not the snake tell his version of events to Eve I rather like the events told by Christ and his disciples
Are you now trying to imply that evil was involved?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjNO
but you did understand how it stinks right it is better to be frank and direct ,and to be truthful at all times
so it is truth that is build not confusion ,yes means yes, NO means NO ,
not turning and running around the bush so to speak, in this way we let the spirit of truth guide us ,not our own mind,
Are you now implying that my Yes isn't “Yes” or that my No isn't “No”?Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,20:55) Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2013,01:53) Quote (Ed J @ July 18 2013,20:38) Hi Pierre, Quote (terraricca @ July 18 2013,22:43) EDJ I agree with you but you stop answering me in what I really wanted to mean ;and so change the direction of the conversation to another ,
this I have to say you are good in it
Did you not say I was “GOOD” at something?Quote (terraricca @ July 19 2013,01:29) edj did i say that i appreciate your way ;
your conclusion is definitely premature ,did not the snake tell his version of events to Eve I rather like the events told by Christ and his disciples
Are you now trying to imply that evil was involved?God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjNO
but you did understand how it stinks right it is better to be frank and direct ,and to be truthful at all times
so it is truth that is build not confusion ,yes means yes, NO means NO ,
not turning and running around the bush so to speak, in this way we let the spirit of truth guide us ,not our own mind,
Are you now implying that my Yes isn't “Yes” or that my No isn't “No”?
edjsome times your answers are in their meaning an NO and an YES
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