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Quote (terraricca @ July 09 2013,10:31) Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2013,21:00)
You say (in essence) that “EL-o-heem of EL-o-heem” means there are other 'gods'.
Clearly it does NOT say this, nor is it even implied – except by YOU that is.
Mike says (in essence) that “EL-o-heem of EL-o-heem” means there are other EL-o-heem ;if not so why would scriptures say it anyway
Pierre,Ed translates the phrase “elohim of elohim” as “Leader of leaders”.
His precious AKJV doesn't translate it that way. In fact, I don't know of ANY Bible in the history of man that doesn't translate that phrase as “God of gods”.
But Ed MUST translate it this way so he can keep hiding from the truth.
Ed, your AKJV calls Jehovah the “most high God” in many places. Are they wrong in that translation also? Should it really be “most high LEADER”?
Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2013,16:28) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 10 2013,09:15)
Are they REAL elohim? Or are angels FALSE elohim?
Hi Mike,Fallen Angels would still fit the definition of “EL-o-heem”.
Please answer the question.Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 10 2013,09:36) Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2013,16:28) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 10 2013,09:15)
Are they REAL elohim? Or are angels FALSE elohim?
Hi Mike,Fallen Angels would still fit the definition of “EL-o-heem”.
Please answer the question.
Hi Mike,Both: Real EL-o-heem defining EL-o-heem as Angels,
and False EL-o-heem defining EL-o-heem as GOD.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 10 2013,09:32) Quote (terraricca @ July 09 2013,10:31) Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2013,21:00)
You say (in essence) that “EL-o-heem of EL-o-heem” means there are other 'gods'.
Clearly it does NOT say this, nor is it even implied – except by YOU that is.
Mike says (in essence) that “EL-o-heem of EL-o-heem” means there are other EL-o-heem ;if not so why would scriptures say it anyway
Pierre,Ed translates the phrase “elohim of elohim” as “Leader of leaders”.
His precious AKJV doesn't translate it that way. In fact, I don't know of ANY Bible in the history of man that doesn't translate that phrase as “God of gods”.
But Ed MUST translate it this way so he can keep hiding from the truth.
Ed, your AKJV calls Jehovah the “most high God” in many places. Are they wrong in that translation also? Should it really be “most high LEADER”?
Hi Mike,Mightiest of mighty ones works for me as well, as long as
you don't then say that those mighty ones are gods. (::DGod bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 10 2013,04:32) Quote (terraricca @ July 09 2013,10:31) Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2013,21:00)
You say (in essence) that “EL-o-heem of EL-o-heem” means there are other 'gods'.
Clearly it does NOT say this, nor is it even implied – except by YOU that is.
Mike says (in essence) that “EL-o-heem of EL-o-heem” means there are other EL-o-heem ;if not so why would scriptures say it anyway
Pierre,Ed translates the phrase “elohim of elohim” as “Leader of leaders”.
His precious AKJV doesn't translate it that way. In fact, I don't know of ANY Bible in the history of man that doesn't translate that phrase as “God of gods”.
But Ed MUST translate it this way so he can keep hiding from the truth.
Ed, your AKJV calls Jehovah the “most high God” in many places. Are they wrong in that translation also? Should it really be “most high LEADER”?
Mikeit seems Edj is allergic the the word god(s) but this does not change anything ,he just change the configuration but is this to allow him to prepare a way out from another jam
time will tell ,you know puritan have been on this planet sins the beginning ,but they usually are wrong anyway ,they are copy cats of the pharisees in Jesus time .edj, would fit right at home with them ,
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 09 2013,08:05) Quote (kerwin @ July 08 2013,11:29) Mike, Abraham and the Canaanites called Jehovah El(God) just like the Baptist and the Jehovah Witnesses call him God.
Abram's words to the King of Sodom were “And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto Jehovah, the most high EL, the possessor of heaven and earth,”.
So Abram called him YHWH in front of the king of Sodom. How does that equate to the king of Sodom worshiping YHWH as HIS El?Is there a scripture where any Canaanite speaks of THEIR OWN El, who is named YHWH?
If so, show it to me.
And I really don't know how many more times I have to say it, but……………
The El that the Canaanites worshiped had a WIFE named Asherah. Does that sound like JEHOVAH to you, Kerwin?
Just because they also called their god “El” does NOT mean they were worshipping YHWH. Do you understand this?
Mike,Melchizedek king of Salem also worships the most high El and was the king of Salem, a name that is also given as location of Jehovah's tabernacle. He is also written of just prior to Abraham's words to the king of Sodom about El.
There is a doctrine of Jehovah where he has a wive named Asherah.
Quote In 1968, I discovered an inscription in a cemetery west of Hebron, in the hill country, at the site of Khirbet el-Qôm, a Hebrew inscription of the 8th century B.C.E. It gives the name of the deceased, and it says “blessed may he be by Yahweh”—that's good biblical Hebrew—but it says “by Yahweh and his Asherah.” Asherah is the name of the old Canaanite Mother Goddess, the consort of El, the principal deity of the Canaanite pantheon. So why is a Hebrew inscription mentioning Yahweh in connection with the Canaanite Mother Goddess? Well, in popular religion they were a pair.
Quote (kerwin @ July 10 2013,05:35) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 09 2013,08:05) Quote (kerwin @ July 08 2013,11:29) Mike, Abraham and the Canaanites called Jehovah El(God) just like the Baptist and the Jehovah Witnesses call him God.
Abram's words to the King of Sodom were “And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto Jehovah, the most high EL, the possessor of heaven and earth,”.
So Abram called him YHWH in front of the king of Sodom. How does that equate to the king of Sodom worshiping YHWH as HIS El?Is there a scripture where any Canaanite speaks of THEIR OWN El, who is named YHWH?
If so, show it to me.
And I really don't know how many more times I have to say it, but……………
The El that the Canaanites worshiped had a WIFE named Asherah. Does that sound like JEHOVAH to you, Kerwin?
Just because they also called their god “El” does NOT mean they were worshipping YHWH. Do you understand this?
Mike,Melchizedek king of Salem also worships the most high El and was the king of Salem, a name that is also given as location of Jehovah's tabernacle. He is also written of just prior to Abraham's words to the king of Sodom about El.
kQuote He is also written of just prior to Abraham's words to the king of Sodom about El. SCRIPTURES PLEASE
Quote (terraricca @ July 10 2013,05:47) Quote (kerwin @ July 10 2013,05:35) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 09 2013,08:05) Quote (kerwin @ July 08 2013,11:29) Mike, Abraham and the Canaanites called Jehovah El(God) just like the Baptist and the Jehovah Witnesses call him God.
Abram's words to the King of Sodom were “And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto Jehovah, the most high EL, the possessor of heaven and earth,”.
So Abram called him YHWH in front of the king of Sodom. How does that equate to the king of Sodom worshiping YHWH as HIS El?Is there a scripture where any Canaanite speaks of THEIR OWN El, who is named YHWH?
If so, show it to me.
And I really don't know how many more times I have to say it, but……………
The El that the Canaanites worshiped had a WIFE named Asherah. Does that sound like JEHOVAH to you, Kerwin?
Just because they also called their god “El” does NOT mean they were worshipping YHWH. Do you understand this?
Mike,Melchizedek king of Salem also worships the most high El and was the king of Salem, a name that is also given as location of Jehovah's tabernacle. He is also written of just prior to Abraham's words to the king of Sodom about El.
kQuote He is also written of just prior to Abraham's words to the king of Sodom about El. SCRIPTURES PLEASE
T,Do a search of Melchizedek on the KJV at biblegateway.com
Quote (terraricca @ July 10 2013,10:25) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 10 2013,04:32) Quote (terraricca @ July 09 2013,10:31) Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2013,21:00)
You say (in essence) that “EL-o-heem of EL-o-heem” means there are other 'gods'.
Clearly it does NOT say this, nor is it even implied – except by YOU that is.
Mike says (in essence) that “EL-o-heem of EL-o-heem” means there are other EL-o-heem ;if not so why would scriptures say it anyway
Pierre,Ed translates the phrase “elohim of elohim” as “Leader of leaders”.
His precious AKJV doesn't translate it that way. In fact, I don't know of ANY Bible in the history of man that doesn't translate that phrase as “God of gods”.
But Ed MUST translate it this way so he can keep hiding from the truth.
Ed, your AKJV calls Jehovah the “most high God” in many places. Are they wrong in that translation also? Should it really be “most high LEADER”?
Mikeit seems Edj is allergic the the word god(s) but this does not change anything ,he just change the configuration but is this to allow him to prepare a way out from another jam
time will tell ,you know puritan have been on this planet sins the beginning ,but they usually are wrong anyway ,they are copy cats of the pharisees in Jesus time .edj, would fit right at home with them ,
Puritans? What are they?Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2013,17:00) Hi Mike, Both: Real EL-o-heem defining EL-o-heem as Angels,
and False EL-o-heem defining EL-o-heem as GOD.
So then when Jehovah says there exist no elohim besides Him, He MUST BE speaking EMPHATICALLY, right?Because you just said that there ARE indeed other REAL elohim, right?
Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2013,17:04) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 10 2013,09:32)
Ed, your AKJV calls Jehovah the “most high God” in many places. Are they wrong in that translation also? Should it really be “most high LEADER”?
Hi Mike,Mightiest of mighty ones works for me as well, as long as
you don't then say that those mighty ones are gods.
Okay, we already know that you think your precious AKJV translates “God of gods” wrong.I would like to know the answer to my question about “most high God” in the AKJV. Do they also translate that one wrong every time?
As for your statement, “Mightiest of mighty ones” does in fact describe Jehovah, but we can't learn that from the phrase “elohim of elohim”.
For example, Nebuchadnezzar was called “the king of kings”. While it does mean he is a king of other kings, that phrase, in and of itself, doesn't mean he is the mightiest king there is. It just means he is a king of other kings. (We can, however, learn the truth of what you stated from other phrases, such as “most high elohim”, and “almighty elohim”.)
The phrase “elohim of elohim” means “mighty (one) of mighty (ones)”.
And if you want to translate the first “elohim” as “god”, then you must be consistent and translate the latter “elohim” as “gods” as well.
So you stick with your “head in the ground translation” of “Leader of leaders”. I will understand it as it was written, and know that there are indeed many elohim, and Jehovah is the elohim OF those other elohim.
Quote (terraricca @ July 09 2013,17:25) Mike it seems Edj is allergic the the word god(s) but this does not change anything………
He follows the teaching of men who have for years tried to protect the Bible from itself by insisting there is only one elohim, and all others are “so-called” or “false” elohim – even though the scriptures never use either of those terms.Ed, what's your take on 2 Cor 4:4? Is Satan the god of this world/age?
Quote (kerwin @ July 09 2013,17:35) Mike, Melchizedek king of Salem also worships the most high El………..
And was he a descendant of Canaan? If not, then what is your point?Kerwin, is there a scripture that says any Canaanite ever worshiped Jehovah as their El? If so, show it to me. If not, then just acknowledge as much, okay?
Quote (kerwin @ July 10 2013,05:51) Quote (terraricca @ July 10 2013,05:47) Quote (kerwin @ July 10 2013,05:35) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 09 2013,08:05) Quote (kerwin @ July 08 2013,11:29) Mike, Abraham and the Canaanites called Jehovah El(God) just like the Baptist and the Jehovah Witnesses call him God.
Abram's words to the King of Sodom were “And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto Jehovah, the most high EL, the possessor of heaven and earth,”.
So Abram called him YHWH in front of the king of Sodom. How does that equate to the king of Sodom worshiping YHWH as HIS El?Is there a scripture where any Canaanite speaks of THEIR OWN El, who is named YHWH?
If so, show it to me.
And I really don't know how many more times I have to say it, but……………
The El that the Canaanites worshiped had a WIFE named Asherah. Does that sound like JEHOVAH to you, Kerwin?
Just because they also called their god “El” does NOT mean they were worshipping YHWH. Do you understand this?
Mike,Melchizedek king of Salem also worships the most high El and was the king of Salem, a name that is also given as location of Jehovah's tabernacle. He is also written of just prior to Abraham's words to the king of Sodom about El.
kQuote He is also written of just prior to Abraham's words to the king of Sodom about El. SCRIPTURES PLEASE
T,Do a search of Melchizedek on the KJV at biblegateway.com
Kyou ask me to search for you claims
not a chance ,you claim thing event inventing them ,finding arguments on half words or half letters ,and now you send me away to try to support your claims ,
sorry friend ,I know those sites but I do not use them except for one ,and that's not the one I go to ,
so your claim is false about Melchizedek ,right
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 10 2013,11:26) Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2013,17:04) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 10 2013,09:32)
Ed, your AKJV calls Jehovah the “most high God” in many places. Are they wrong in that translation also? Should it really be “most high LEADER”?
Hi Mike,Mightiest of mighty ones works for me as well, as long as
you don't then say that those mighty ones are gods.
Okay, we already know that you think your precious AKJV translates “God of gods” wrong.I would like to know the answer to my question about “most high God” in the AKJV. Do they also translate that one wrong every time?
As for your statement, “Mightiest of mighty ones” does in fact describe Jehovah, but we can't learn that from the phrase “elohim of elohim”.
For example, Nebuchadnezzar was called “the king of kings”. While it does mean he is a king of other kings, that phrase, in and of itself, doesn't mean he is the mightiest king there is. It just means he is a king of other kings. (We can, however, learn the truth of what you stated from other phrases, such as “most high elohim”, and “almighty elohim”.)
The phrase “elohim of elohim” means “mighty (one) of mighty (ones)”.
And if you want to translate the first “elohim” as “god”, then you must be consistent and translate the latter “elohim” as “gods” as well.
So you stick with your “head in the ground translation” of “Leader of leaders”. I will understand it as it was written, and know that there are indeed many elohim, and Jehovah is the elohim OF those other elohim.
Hi Mike,The term “God of gods” is OK too, but just not how
you are defining it. Now please answer my question:Does Psalm 83:18 mean that men are “HIGH” on the earth? (<– please answer)
“That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH,
art the most high over all the earth.” (Psalms 83:18)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ July 10 2013,11:13) Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2013,17:00) Hi Mike, Both: Real EL-o-heem defining EL-o-heem as Angels,
and False EL-o-heem defining EL-o-heem as GOD.
So then when Jehovah says there exist no elohim besides Him, He MUST BE speaking EMPHATICALLY, right?Because you just said that there ARE indeed other REAL elohim, right?
Hi Mike,What do mean by “EMPHATICALLY”?
EL-o-heem is used for:1. GOD
2. Angels
3. Leaders
4. MagistratesWhen JEHOVAH says there are no EL-o-heem besides Him – he means there is No “GOD” besides him.
Because there are other (#3)leaders
And because there are other (#4)Magistrates
And because Angels(#2) too exist in the spirit realm.
BUT THERE ARE NO OTHER (#1)GODS!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 10 2013,07:50) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 10 2013,11:13) Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2013,17:00) Hi Mike, Both: Real EL-o-heem defining EL-o-heem as Angels,
and False EL-o-heem defining EL-o-heem as GOD.
So then when Jehovah says there exist no elohim besides Him, He MUST BE speaking EMPHATICALLY, right?Because you just said that there ARE indeed other REAL elohim, right?
Hi Mike,What do mean by “EMPHATICALLY”?
EL-o-heem is used for:1. GOD
2. Angels
3. Leaders
4. MagistratesWhen JEHOVAH says there are no EL-o-heem besides Him – he means there is No “GOD” besides him.
Because there are other (#3)leaders
And because there are other (#4)Magistrates
And because Angels(#2) too exist in the spirit realm.
BUT THERE ARE NO OTHER (#1)GODS!God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjQuote BUT THERE ARE NO OTHER (#1)GODS! yes their are but none like the almighty that created the heaven and the earth and all things in it ,this God as no equal ;
so all other gods however they may be are leaser gods/el-o-heem,/leaders/superintendent/foremen/what ever as long that they have some power ,or might like Nimrod for example
Hi Pierre,
Nobody says you have to agree with me. I just give you a more complete understanding of the bible.
Isn't that better than what I see others do – which is: wait until someone tells you something
different (than what you believe) and then endlessly argue about which opinion is right?
You are free to disagree with me, but my view is a more complete view of the bible.
I give others more information – that they appear to be leaving out of their view.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ July 10 2013,13:14) Hi Pierre, Nobody says you have to agree with me. I just give you a more complete understanding of the bible.
Isn't that better than what I see others do – which is: wait until someone tells you something
different (than what you believe) and then endlessly argue about which opinion is right?
You are free to disagree with me, but my view is a more complete view of the bible.
I give others more information – that they appear to be leaving out of their view.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Like you said: just like “a box of chocolates”, you need to “bite in” to find out what's on the inside.Quote (Ed J @ July 10 2013,08:14) Hi Pierre, Nobody says you have to agree with me. I just give you a more complete understanding of the bible.
Isn't that better than what I see others do – which is: wait until someone tells you something
different (than what you believe) and then endlessly argue about which opinion is right?
You are free to disagree with me, but my view is a more complete view of the bible.
I give others more information – that they appear to be leaving out of their view.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjmy point is that what scriptures teach even leaving some of the wording out it still will call for two ways, and two direction this by it self shows that their is existing doubles but not equal in truth or power ,
good and evil being an example ,true prophet versus false prophet (this does not mean that that so called false prophet is non existent,on the contrary he is alive and well ,)and so are all other gods or mighty ones .
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