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[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ July 08 2013,00:06)

OK, you ready now?

Probably not. Will I EVER be ready for what you are about to unveil before the world?

[terraricca]

Mike

edj, is a surprise party men ,or he is like a chocolate candy ,you never know what you going to get until you eat it

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ July 08 2013,00:17)

B) WRONG! Moshe called demons “EL-o-heem” which translates to English as one of the following: (which one depends on the context) (Demons are fallen Angels, and that my friend is definition #2) 1. GOD 2. Angels

Okay, so YOUR translation of Deuteronomy 32:17 is:

They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to ANGELS whom they knew not, [and] to new FALSE GODS that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.

Is that correct?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ July 08 2013,00:23)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 04 2013,07:48) 1.  Why are you even talking about Baal?  He wasn't mentioned in the scripture we're discussing, was he? Hi Mike, 1) NO…………….

Okay then. Let's not disrupt the flow of discussion with non-related issues.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ July 08 2013,00:33)

“A New god”(=69) means 'FALSE GOD”(=69)! JEHOVAH(=69)

Hmmm……….. Are your numbers telling us that Jehovah is a false god, Ed?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ July 08 2013,00:39)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 04 2013,07:56) Quote (Ed J @ July 03 2013,08:32) There are no other gods Pierre! “there is no God else beside me;” (Isaiah 45:21) Exodus 12:12 “On that same night I will pass through Egypt and strike down every firstborn of both people and animals, and I will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD.” Does Jehovah contradict Himself, Ed?  Or is somebody misunderstanding His EMPHATIC statement in Isaiah 45:21? Hi Mike, NO, it is you who is misunderstanding. They are all 'IDOLS' – not gods! 'IDOLS' are 'false EL-o-heem'! “For all the gods(EL-o-heem) of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens.” (Psalms 96:5)

And how did man-made idols of wood, metal, and stone turn a wooden staff into a living snake?

How did they turn water into blood?

How did these idols produce frogs out of thin air?

And finally, how in the world can Jehovah BRING JUDGMENT on an inanimate, man-made idol?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ July 08 2013,00:43)

Will you just continue to let THE FACTS go in one ear and out the other in order to keep your outdated understanding alive? “Don't bother me with THE FACTS because I already got my mind made up”  –  the ignorant!

I hope you were looking at YOURSELF in the mirror when you said those words, Ed.  Because that is EXACTLY what YOU are doing.

The scriptural FACT of the matter is that there are “many gods and many lords, both in heaven and on earth” – just like Paul clearly said.

The FACT is that Jehovah couldn't possibly be the god OF gods if there existed no other gods for Him to be the god OF.

He could not be the MOST HIGH god if there existed no LESS HIGH gods for Him to be HIGHER than.

Man could not have been created lower than the gods if there are no gods for us to have been created lower than.

I could go on and on……. and I will eventually.  But right now, I'm still waiting for a PLAUSIBLE explanation to the scriptures I've already listed for you.

I'm quite sure I'll never get one from you…… but it doesn't hurt to try.

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 09 2013,13:20)

Quote (Ed J @ July 08 2013,00:23) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 04 2013,07:48) 1.  Why are you even talking about Baal?  He wasn't mentioned in the scripture we're discussing, was he? Hi Mike, 1) NO……………. Okay then.  Let's not disrupt the flow of discussion with non-related issues.

Hi Mike,

Sorry, I should have used the false god 'Molech' instead, which the text is actually referencing.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 09 2013,13:19)

Quote (Ed J @ July 08 2013,00:17) B) WRONG! Moshe called demons “EL-o-heem” which translates to English as one of the following:   (which one depends on the context) (Demons are fallen Angels, and that my friend is definition #2) 1. GOD 2. Angels Okay, so YOUR translation of Deuteronomy 32:17 is: They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to ANGELS whom they knew not, [and] to new FALSE GODS that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not. Is that correct?

Hi Mike,

I have answered this question once already, but you ask it again
because you did not accept my answer, so I will try again.
Here is the text, we need to examine it carefully:

---

“They sacrificed unto ^Adevils, not to God; to ^Bgods whom they knew not, to ^Cnew gods
 ^Dthat came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.”  (Deut 32:17)

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    You need to focus on point D – “that came newly up”,
    What newly came up? – point C 'new gods'!
    So what then is point B 'gods'?

“NEW GODS” is the meaning of “B” as evidenced by the
translators insertion of the same word 'gods' to point “C”.
See how the word 'gods' is italicized in thy point lettered “C”?

^BThe English word 'gods' bridges the gap between…

                       ^Bgods
                          /     \
                        /         \
                      /             \
             ^Adevils    ^Cnew gods

…definitions #1 and #2 of the Hebrew word “EL-o-heem”:

1. GOD     —>    the counterfeit   —>     ^C'new gods' – meaning 'false gods'.  
2. Angels   —>   the counterfeit   —>     ^A'devils' – meaning 'fallen angels'.      

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (terraricca @ July 09 2013,13:19)

Mike edj, is a surprise party men ,or he is like a chocolate candy ,you never know what you going to get until you eat it

“Taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.” (Psalms 34:8)

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 09 2013,13:21)

Quote (Ed J @ July 08 2013,00:33) “A New god”(=69) means 'FALSE GOD”(=69)! JEHOVAH(=69) Hmmm………..  Are your numbers telling us that Jehovah is a false god, Ed?

Hi Mike,

NO, what this evidence suggests is:
regarding the definitions of the Hebrew word “EL-o-heem”:
There is only “GOD”(JEHOVAH) – but there are many counterfeit 'gods' (new gods/false gods).

1. GOD     —>    the counterfeit   —>     'new gods' – meaning 'false gods'.  
2. Angels   —>   the counterfeit   —>     'devils' – meaning 'fallen angels'.  

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2013,20:33)

Quote (terraricca @ July 09 2013,13:19) Mike edj, is a surprise party men ,or he is like a chocolate candy ,you never know what you going to get until you eat it “Taste and see that the LORD is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.” (Psalms 34:8)

edj

but the question is are you such a man I still wander

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2013,20:34)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 09 2013,13:21) Quote (Ed J @ July 08 2013,00:33) “A New god”(=69) means 'FALSE GOD”(=69)! JEHOVAH(=69) Hmmm………..  Are your numbers telling us that Jehovah is a false god, Ed? Hi Mike, NO, what this evidence suggests is: regarding the definitions of the Hebrew word “EL-o-heem”: There is only “GOD”(JEHOVAH) – but there are many counterfeit 'gods' (new gods/false gods). 1. GOD     —>    the counterfeit   —>     'new gods' – meaning 'false gods'.   2. Angels   —>   the counterfeit   —>     'devils' – meaning 'fallen angels'.   God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

all of this is opinions ,your personal interpretation,your way of seeing what YOU want to see ,all those words are not find in scriptures never mind your numbers ,

so as far as scriptural truth you are not in it at all,

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 09 2013,13:28)

Quote (Ed J @ July 08 2013,00:43) Will you just continue to let THE FACTS go in one ear and out the other in order to keep your outdated understanding alive? “Don't bother me with THE FACTS because I already got my mind made up”  –  the ignorant! I hope you were looking at YOURSELF in the mirror when you said those words, Ed.  Because that is EXACTLY what YOU are doing. The scriptural FACT of the matter is that there are “many gods and many lords, both in heaven and on earth” – just like Paul clearly said. The FACT is that Jehovah couldn't possibly be the god OF gods if there existed no other gods for Him to be the god OF. He could not be the MOST HIGH god if there existed no LESS HIGH gods for Him to be HIGHER than. Man could not have been created lower than the gods if there are no gods for us to have been created lower than. I could go on and on……. and I will eventually.  But right now, I'm still waiting for a PLAUSIBLE explanation to the scriptures I've already listed for you. I'm quite sure I'll never get one from you…… but it doesn't hurt to try.

Hi Mike,

I do listen to all the facts, what I don't do is consider opinions as facts – BIG DIFFERENCE!  

You say (in essence) that “EL-o-heem of EL-o-heem” means there are other 'gods'.
Clearly it does NOT say this, nor is it even implied – except by YOU that is.  

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[terraricca]

Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2013,21:00)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 09 2013,13:28) Quote (Ed J @ July 08 2013,00:43) Will you just continue to let THE FACTS go in one ear and out the other in order to keep your outdated understanding alive? “Don't bother me with THE FACTS because I already got my mind made up”  –  the ignorant! I hope you were looking at YOURSELF in the mirror when you said those words, Ed.  Because that is EXACTLY what YOU are doing. The scriptural FACT of the matter is that there are “many gods and many lords, both in heaven and on earth” – just like Paul clearly said. The FACT is that Jehovah couldn't possibly be the god OF gods if there existed no other gods for Him to be the god OF. He could not be the MOST HIGH god if there existed no LESS HIGH gods for Him to be HIGHER than. Man could not have been created lower than the gods if there are no gods for us to have been created lower than. I could go on and on……. and I will eventually.  But right now, I'm still waiting for a PLAUSIBLE explanation to the scriptures I've already listed for you. I'm quite sure I'll never get one from you…… but it doesn't hurt to try. Hi Mike, I do listen to all the facts, what I don't do is consider opinions as facts – BIG DIFFERENCE!   You say (in essence) that “EL-o-heem of EL-o-heem” means there are other 'gods'. Clearly it does NOT say this, nor is it even implied – except by YOU that is.   God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

edj

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You say (in essence) that “EL-o-heem of EL-o-heem” means there are other 'gods'. Clearly it does NOT say this, nor is it even implied – except by YOU that is.

you did it again ;Mike says (in essence) that “EL-o-heem of EL-o-heem” means there are other EL-o-heem ;if not so why would scriptures say it anyway

[Ed J]

Hi Pierre, does Psalms 83:18 mean that “MEN” are high on the earth?

“That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH,
 art the most high over all the earth.” (Psalms 83:18)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2013,08:33)

1. GOD —> the counterfeit —> C'new gods' – meaning 'false gods'. 2. Angels —> the counterfeit —> A'devils' – meaning 'fallen angels'.

Okay, so it seems EXACTLY like I said it:

You believe they sacrificed to ANGELS and to FALSE GODS their fathers hadn't known.

Isn't that exactly what I said?

And since that IS the case, you are STILL saying that [fallen] ANGELS were called ELOHIM, right?

Are they REAL elohim? Or are angels FALSE elohim?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2013,08:34)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 09 2013,13:21) Quote (Ed J @ July 08 2013,00:33) “A New god”(=69) means 'FALSE GOD”(=69)! JEHOVAH(=69) Hmmm………..  Are your numbers telling us that Jehovah is a false god, Ed? Hi Mike, NO, what this evidence suggests is: regarding the definitions of the Hebrew word “EL-o-heem”: There is only “GOD”(JEHOVAH) – but there are many counterfeit 'gods' (new gods/false gods).

Hmmm………..

If “A new god” equals 69, and “false god” equals 69, and “Jehovah” equals 69, then who are you to decide that they DON'T equate?

Isn't that how your number thing works?  Don't you EQUATE certain numbers and then claim that the words that add up to those equal numbers are also EQUATED?

Have your rules changed?

(BTW, don't think it went unnoticed that you have to eliminate the “s” and add an “a” to “a new god” for your formula to work.

What was wrong with “NEW GODS”, Ed?  It didn't add up the way you wanted it to?   )

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 10 2013,09:15)

Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2013,08:33) 1. GOD     —>    the counterfeit   —>     C'new gods' – meaning 'false gods'.   2. Angels   —>   the counterfeit   —>     A'devils' – meaning 'fallen angels'.   Okay, so it seems EXACTLY like I said it: You believe they sacrificed to ANGELS and to FALSE GODS their fathers hadn't known. Isn't that exactly what I said?   And since that IS the case, you are STILL saying that [fallen] ANGELS were called ELOHIM, right? Are they REAL elohim?   Or are angels FALSE elohim?

Hi Mike,

Fallen Angels would still fit the definition of “EL-o-heem”.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 10 2013,09:23)

Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2013,08:34) Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 09 2013,13:21) Quote (Ed J @ July 08 2013,00:33) “A New god”(=69) means 'FALSE GOD”(=69)! JEHOVAH(=69) Hmmm………..  Are your numbers telling us that Jehovah is a false god, Ed? Hi Mike, NO, what this evidence suggests is: regarding the definitions of the Hebrew word “EL-o-heem”: There is only “GOD”(JEHOVAH) – but there are many counterfeit 'gods' (new gods/false gods). Hmmm……….. If “A new god” equals 69, and “false god” equals 69, and “Jehovah” equals 69, then who are you to decide that they DON'T equate? Isn't that how your number thing works?  Don't you EQUATE certain numbers and then claim that the words that add up to those equal numbers are also EQUATED? Have your rules changed? (BTW, don't think it went unnoticed that you have to eliminate the “s” and add an “a” to “a new god” for your formula to work. What was wrong with “NEW GODS”, Ed?  It didn't add up the way you wanted it to?  )

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