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Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2013,11:39) Quote (Ed J @ June 09 2013,14:25) Angels are NOT gods……….
Yet your beloved AKJV (not to mention the Hebrew text) says they are. Hmmmm………..
Hi Mike,No; it doesn't. It Looks like you
are reading into the text again.
And Hebrew says “EL-o-heem.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2013,12:27) One calls for some heavy reasoning, while the other can be plainly read in simple terms all throughout the scriptures. But I'll consider the possibility that 2B, Abe, Ed, and the others just aren't ready for this meat.
HA Ha ha,Yea, you can try in a couple of years “AFTER” you've changed your mind.
Hi Mike,
These are just my notes for the day after reading here, it is just something for you to think about.“Unless you turn and become like children, you will not see the kingdom of heaven”
When Paul spoke about “solid food”, he was talking about those who had advanced spiritually. Spiritually is NOT necessarily a school education type level. Under educated, even illiterate people can advance in knowledge, wisdom and power, etc. So the “meat” is knowing God and knowing Jesus and knowing what is happening to people around you, also having dreams and/or visions, etc, but not necessarily knowing all of scripture, because true knowledge comes not only through scripture, but also through having a personal relationship with God and Jesus and anyone. There is “knowledge falsely so called”.
That said..believing like a child, that there is only one God the Father, is a good thing I am sure to the Father. If I seem like an idiot for saying that there are no other Gods to me, I am understanding spiritually, as I believe Paul was.
Yes, there may be those who are called gods (such as on TV the other night, a music contender was called the “Rock God” – of course that is not literal – he is not a “God” – he is a man, even a CHILD would know that!)
So yes, it is a fact that there are those who are called gods.. and some believe that there are literal “other Gods” out there. Well not to me. Spiritually, in my mind, there is only one God, the Father.To say that Jesus pre-existed as another God next to the one and only God, is to me scriptural nonSENSE. To say on the other hand that Jesus pre-existed as the Holy Spirit, still keeps God as one God. However, God cannot be tempted and He cannot die, so it makes sense that the spirit in Jesus is what pre-existed..not the flesh, and the one who died and was risen from the dead was the new man (Hebrews 9:14). Jesus was the second Adam, but rather than sin, the second Adam achieved sinlessness and so redeemed the whole of mankind.
God knows everything that happens to us before it happens. God's foreknowledge is easily understood if one understands it. Due to foreknowledge, God KNEW that Jesus would be sinless through his own choice, and so knowing this, God made him to be the second Adam, to achieve His plan of the salvation of mankind by causing Him to have no Father of the flesh, like Adam also had no Father of the flesh, so Jesus became the SECOND ADAM as scriptures say. He also became our mediator because He was a man. THAT is what scripture says. “For there is but one God, and one MEDIATOR between God and man, the MAN Christ Jesus.”
That is NOT to say that He is still a man who is no different than us, because He is NOT. He was changed. He became the NEW MAN.But, He WENT to HIS GOD AND TO OUR GOD, to his Father and to our Father – the one true God. And the one God, the Father, is what I choose to understand as a child (remember: unless you turn and become like children, you will not see the kingdom of heaven. And our sole motivation is not to attain a reward (i.e. heaven), but a need and a desire to know the creator).
I stand by my reasoning that the position of “the only God to us” is akin to a married man who loves his wife more than anything in the world saying “though there may be other wives out there, there is only one wife to me”. D though there may be those who are called gods, and even if those gods exist, or even if they do not exist, who knows! “Pay attention to all that I have said to you, and make no mention of the names of other gods, nor let it be heard on your lips “..means to me, 'do not even think like that'. And I stand by my reasoning that as only one God exists as said, then the author of John would have obeyed that rule of “one God” when He wrote John 1:1.
And face it, the only reason that you have to insist that other Gods do exist, is so that you can then make John 1:1 say that there are two Gods. That is the only motive, IMO.
There is a saying: “God became man, so that man could become God” (Google it). That is saying that Jesus was a God, who became a man, and then became God again. So tell me, what was achieved? What CHANGED? And if we wish to be like Jesus: are we trying to be a God or a man? (Remember: The man of sin puts himself in the temple of God, trying to be God).
And that is my sermon for the day. If anybody would like the verses supporting the Holy Spirit as the Son of God manifested in Jesus, just ask. This was apparently the belief of the earliest church and one which is being revisited by many writers.
No problem 2b.
No one had posted so you can change it and if it is just grammatical, then you can change it even after a post. So long as we are honest and not trying to cover our tracks when we make a mistake. Better to front up and say a mistake was made.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2013,16:03) All of your examples DO have the indefinite article “a”. I'm asking for an example of someone being “qualitatively something” where we CANNOT, in English, use the indefinite article “a”.
Okay, I misunderstood your question then.You want me to take a sentence and work it without using the indefinite article. But that is my point, most of the time you cannot. This is the square peg in the round hole. This is why John 1:1c ends up being “and the word was God”, or “the Word was divine”. Because saying “the Word was god” doesn't really mean anything to English speaking people.
But my examples do show that adding in the indefinite article is not really the cure either.
Using the indefinite article translates these verses as:
Eve is adam = Eve is a man
bob is devil = bob is a devil
You are rock = you are a rock
You are angel = you are an angel.Now notice that none of these translations are literal. Eve is not a man and you are not a rock, so why is Jesus a god then?
In English we can use the indefinite article in some of these because people generally understand the rule that if I call you a rock, that I am not expressing this noun literally but in a descriptive way. In other words, I am describing a quality that you may possess in this case that you are a solid and unmovable type of person is what people might understand. But no one thinks that you are an actual rock (noun,literal) if I call you a rock.
Thus the Word was a god gives the impression that the Word is a literal other god in the noun sense of the word, when we don't see the same rendering with Judas was a devil or Eve was a man.
So if you understand the intention in the Greek, then yeah I can call you an angel or a rock because you have the rule and thus are able to process the sentence correctly to extract the intended meaning. But if you don't understand the intention in the Greek of what it means that the Word was theos, then saying that the Word was a god is going to cause an uproar and confusion and I am guessing that it will never end. People will quote you verses till the day you die or until the Lord returns about how there is only literally one God, and remind you of the first commandment.
I am not saying that I disagree with your understanding in as much as I am saying it is a difficult way to express your understanding due to the holiness and reverence about there being only one God.
I mean I don't know if there is any more to say about it. I am only pointing out the inevitable and I am not second guessing it either because the uproar has already started has it not?
Quote (t8 @ June 10 2013,21:28) No problem 2b. No one had posted so you can change it and if it is just grammatical, then you can change it even after a post. So long as we are honest and not trying to cover our tracks when we make a mistake. Better to front up and say a mistake was made.
Thank you T8, it is only typos and sometimes basic grammar. This phone predicts the wrong words which I don't see till later and it us hard to use the edit, but I'm getting the hang if things.Quote (Ed J @ June 10 2013,09:16) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2013,12:27) One calls for some heavy reasoning, while the other can be plainly read in simple terms all throughout the scriptures. But I'll consider the possibility that 2B, Abe, Ed, and the others just aren't ready for this meat.
HA Ha ha,Yea, you can try in a couple of years “AFTER” you've changed your mind.
what it so funny
?2bee
Quote To say that Jesus pre-existed as another God next to the one and only God, is to me scriptural nonSENSE. To say on the other hand that Jesus pre-existed as the Holy Spirit, still keeps God as one God. However, God cannot be tempted and He cannot die, so it makes sense that the spirit in Jesus is what pre-existed..not the flesh, and the one who died and was risen from the dead was the new man (Hebrews 9:14). Jesus was the second Adam, but rather than sin, the second Adam achieved sinlessness and so redeemed the whole of mankind. Heb 9:10 They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings—external regulations applying until the time of the new order.
Heb 9:11 When Christ came as high priest of the good things that are already here, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not man-made, that is to say, not a part of this creation.
Heb 9:12 He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption.
Heb 9:13 The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean.
Heb 9:14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!
Heb 9:15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.the same PAUL says this ;Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.if you can believe what you say ,then why do you not can explain those scriptures instead of ignoring them
and their are more scriptures about God's son ,that you wipe away in your personal and non scriptural believes ,scriptures are to be true within themselves not with man made additions or retractions if your understanding does not fit all scriptures it is declared wrong and false by the scriptures ,it does not matter who is saying it ,let GOD BE TRUE and all men liars
Quote (Ed J @ June 09 2013,19:16) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2013,12:27) One calls for some heavy reasoning, while the other can be plainly read in simple terms all throughout the scriptures. But I'll consider the possibility that 2B, Abe, Ed, and the others just aren't ready for this meat.
HA Ha ha,Yea, you can try in a couple of years “AFTER” you've changed your mind.
Hi Ed,A couple years from now Mike will be trying to make the little g a Capital G.
Peace brother..
Quote (2besee @ June 09 2013,13:47) Quote (abe @ June 10 2013,07:30) Quote (2besee @ June 09 2013,04:36) Quote (abe @ June 09 2013,20:15) Hi, Gen.1:26 Then God said, “Let *Us* make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
7And the *LORD* God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Do any of you think US equals LORD?
Peace brothers…
Abe,Gen.1:26 Then God said, “Let Usmake man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
7And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
If we put it all together we have:
“Us–Our image–His own image–The image of God–The Lord God.”
Some will say that God was conversing with angels but I don't think so.
What do you think, Abe? I would love to hear what you think that verse in Genesis means to you. (we'll just block everyone else out for the moment, okay!)
Hi 2b,The Seven Spirits of God, which were created In the First Day (Light).
Col.1:12 giving thanks unto the Father, who made us
meet(worthy) to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light;
13 who delivered us out of the power of darkness, and translated us into the Kingdom of the Son of his love;
14 in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins:
15 who is the IMAGE of the Invisible God, the First Born of all CREATION; 16for IN him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created THROUGH him, and unto(into) him; 17and he is BEFORE all things, and IN him all things consist. 18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the BEGINNING, the FIRSTBORN from the DEAD; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19For it was the Good Pleasure of the Father that IN him should all the fulness dwell; 20and THROUGH him to Reconcile all things unto(into) Himself(God), having made peace through the blood of his cross; through him, I say, whether things upon the earth, or things in the heavens.“who is the IMAGE of the Invisible God,”
‘Wisdom' of God
‘Spirit' of God’Word’ of God
‘Word' of God
‘Knowledge' of God
‘Understanding' of God
'Counsel' of God
‘Light’ of GodDifferent ‘Parts' of the Son of God.
1Cor.12:12 For even as the body is One and [yet] has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13For by ONE Spirit we were all baptized into ONE Body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.
14For the body is not one member, but MANY. 15If the foot says, “Because I am not a hand, I am not [a part] of the body,” it is not for this reason any the less [a part] of the body. 16And if the ear says, “Because I am not an eye, I am not [a part] of the body,” it is not for this reason any the less [a part] of the body. 17If the whole body were an eye, where would the hearing be? If the whole were hearing, where would the sense of smell be? 18But now God has placed the members, each one of them, in the BODY, just as He desired. 19 If they were all ONE member, where would the body be? 20But now there are MANY members, but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you”; or again the head to the feet, “I have no need of you.” 22 On the contrary, it is much truer that the members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary; 23 and those [members] of the body which we deem less honorable, on these we bestow MORE abundant honor, and our less presentable members become much more presentable, 24whereas our more presentable members have no need [of it]. But *God* has [so] composed the body, giving more abundant honor to that [member] which lacked, 25so that there may be no division in the body, but [that] the members may have the same care for one another. 26And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; if [one] member is honored, all the members rejoice with it.
27Now YOU are Christ's body, and individually members of it. 28And God has appointed IN the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, [various] kinds of tongues. 29All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not [workers of] miracles, are they? 30All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they? 31But earnestly desire the greater gifts. And I show you a still more excellent way
*Love of God*
Peace brother………
Hi Abe.
So if I understand that right, please tell me if I do or if I don't: the one God has many parts, just as the body has many parts: the human body and also the body of Christ which is the church, each being an important part of the one body. And the seven spirits of God being a part of God is the “our image” which man was made in as spoken of in Genesis.So, how do you feel the one spirit fits in with that?
Is it that the seven spirits combined make up the one spirit of God which is called the Holy Spirit?
Hi 2b,‘Spirit' of God’Word’ of God
I want to edit Word of God out. Sorry.
I will get back to your post later. I had to work the weekend.
Peace brother.
Terraricca,
Okay, so let's take a proper look at the verses which you presented:Heb 9:14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!
How many do you count in that verse? I count three. There is “Christ”, there is “the eternal spirit”, and there is “the living God” (the Father). Do you disagree with that?
Father
Son
Holy SpiritNext verses:
Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Adam was also the image of God. The difference in Adam and Jesus was that Adam sinned and Jesus did not. So Jesus was the perfect image of God. As it says:
Col 2:8-9:
“See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.
9 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily.”Next verses which you gave:
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers and authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold togetherAll things were indeed made BY and FOR Jesus Christ once you understand the TWO sides of Jesus. There is the human Jesus (the son of man) and there is the Holy Spirit which was in him. So yes, all things were made through the Holy Spirit that was in him:
Genesis 1:
“The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.“And all things were made for Jesus Christ, the image of God.
Next:
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.”Exactly.
What I have said to you is a simplified version of what I had intended to say in more detail but cannot at this moment.
Quote (2besee @ June 11 2013,04:48) Terraricca,
Okay, so let's take a proper look at the verses which you presented:Heb 9:14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!
How many do you count in that verse? I count three. There is “Christ”, there is “the eternal spirit”, and there is “the living God” (the Father). Do you disagree with that?
Father
Son
Holy SpiritNext verses:
Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Adam was also the image of God. The difference in Adam and Jesus was that Adam sinned and Jesus did not. So Jesus was the perfect image of God. As it says:
Col 2:8-9:
“See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.
9 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily.”Next verses which you gave:
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers and authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold togetherAll things were indeed made BY and FOR Jesus Christ once you understand the TWO sides of Jesus. There is the human Jesus (the son of man) and there is the Holy Spirit which was in him. So yes, all things were made through the Holy Spirit that was in him:
Genesis 1:
“The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.“And all things were made for Jesus Christ, the image of God.
Next:
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.”Exactly.
What I have said to you is a simplified version of what I had intended to say in more detail but cannot at this moment.
2BEEQuote How many do you count in that verse? I count three. There is “Christ”, there is “the eternal spirit”, and there is “the living God” (the Father). Do you disagree with that? NO;
Heb 9:14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God,
answer me ;
who his the “eternal spirit “
according to Heb;9;14Quote Adam was also the image of God. The difference in Adam and Jesus was that Adam sinned and Jesus did not. So Jesus was the perfect image of God. As it says: this is false
Ge 2:7 the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
Ge 2:8 Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed.Ge 1:26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule
Ge 1:27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
Ge 1:28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earthGenesis 3:22 King James Version
And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil………..JOB 9:2 “In truth I know that this is so;
But how can a man be in the right before God?
JOB 9:32 “For He is not a man as I am that I may answer HimPhil 2:6 Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
Phil 2:7 but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature of a servant,if understand those scriptures you can see that their is a big difference between Adam and Christ the son of God ,even within their own creation they are not identical
Quote All things were indeed made BY and FOR Jesus Christ once you understand the TWO sides of Jesus. There is the human Jesus (the son of man) and there is the Holy Spirit which was in him. So yes, all things were made through the Holy Spirit that was in him: you have to understand i did not go to a denomination or to the Internet religious bias believers so i do not interpret scriptures to others BY SAYING “IF YOU COULD UNDERSTAND THE TWO SIDES OF JESUS ” WERE IN SCRIPTURES DO YOU READ THAT CHRIST EVER HIDE ANYTHING
AND WHY WOULD I HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT SCRIPTURES DO NOT TEACH,??? Quote all things were made through the Holy Spirit that was in him: SHOW ME WERE IS THIS WRITTEN
IT SEEMS THAT YOU MAKE UP THINGS AS YOU GO,BUT MAY BE I DON'T KNOW THAT SCRIPTURE SO LET SEE .Quote (2besee @ June 09 2013,22:41) Hi Mike,
These are just my notes for the day after reading here, it is just something for you to think about.
2B, if you can't answer my direct questions, or address the direct scriptures I posted that CLEARLY support my understanding, then I really have no interest in your novel – which clearly displays your confusion, and the different personal doctrines you flip-flop between in an effort to make sense of the scriptures.Quote (2besee @ June 09 2013,22:41) “though there may be other wives out there, there is only one wife to me”.
Your statement above sums up EXACTLY what Paul was saying in 1 Cor 8:6. But here's the thing: You realize that these other wives are REAL wives – not “false wives” or “so-called wives”. So WHY is it so hard for you to realize the same exact thing when the word is “god” instead of “wife”?Don't bother answering, because I already know the answer: Despite the clear evidence I show you, you STILL insist on believing the LIE that the word “god”, Biblically speaking, means “THE ONE and ONLY Creator of All Things”.
You are sadly mistaken, 2B. Only when you accept the FACT that the words “el”, “elohim”, “theos” and “god” mean “mighty one” will you begin to understand things more clearly.
I pray for God to give you that understanding as He has given it to me. For now, just continue to focus on that FACT that Jehovah could not possibly be the “god OF gods” if He was the ONLY god. Nor could He be the MOST HIGH god if there weren't less high gods also in existence. Think hard on these things, and pray for an understanding of them.
2B, when you are prepared to explain who the “gods” are in Psalm 8:5 (the ones man was made a little lower than), get back to me, okay?
Quote (t8 @ June 10 2013,02:29) You want me to take a sentence and work it without using the indefinite article. But that is my point, most of the time you cannot.
YOUR point? No, that is MY point! Qualitatively man = A man, right? Can you deny this?
Likewise, qualitatively god = A god.
As for the rest of your post, I believe you are confusing “metaphoric” with “qualitative”.
For example, I can METAPHORICALLY be a rock. I cannot QUALITATIVELY be a rock. Jesus can METAPHORICALLY be a cornerstone or a lamb, but he cannot QUALITATIVELY be those things.
Quote (t8 @ June 10 2013,02:29) I am not saying that I disagree with your understanding in as much as I am saying it is a difficult way to express your understanding due to the holiness and reverence about there being only one God.
There is holiness and reverence about there being only one CREATOR and FATHER of all. But the word “god” means NEITHER of those things, t8. And THIS is what I'm trying desperately to get across to all of you guys.The earliest known definition of “el” is “mighty one”. PLEASE THIS TIME tell me YOUR definition of the word “el/god”.
And finally, even the Trinitarian scholars acknowledge that “the Word was a god” is a grammatically faithful way to translate John 1:1c. Tell me briefly WHY you refuse to believe that Jesus IS a god. After all, you believe Satan is one. You believe angels are gods – according to scripture. So why not Jesus. Please explain.
Quote (Ed J @ June 09 2013,20:21) Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 10 2013,11:39) Quote (Ed J @ June 09 2013,14:25) Angels are NOT gods……….
Yet your beloved AKJV (not to mention the Hebrew text) says they are. Hmmmm………..
Hi Mike,No; it doesn't. It Looks like you
are reading into the text again.
And Hebrew says “EL-o-heem.
The Hebrew says Jehovah made mankind a little lower than the “elohim” – the same exact word used to describe Jehovah as one of the many mighty ones (Of course, Jehovah is the MOST HIGH mighty one – and the ONLY mighty one who created all things.) But let's see what your AKJV says:Genesis 3:5 King James Version
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.Who are these gods, Ed?
Genesis 3:22 King James Version
And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil………..Does this verse help you to decide?
If not, then I cannot help you. We will have to agree to disagree on this subject, just as we do on SO MANY other subjects.
Quote (abe @ June 10 2013,15:22) Hi Ed, A couple years from now Mike will be trying to make the little g a Capital G.
Are ad hominems what you've been reduced to in this discussion, Abe? I noticed that you quieted way down when I posted all those scriptures the other day.You have time to slam me, but not to address direct scriptures, huh?
Abe, who are the “gods” in the verses I just quoted for Ed in the above post? Who are the gods in Psalm 8:5 – the ones God created man a little lower than?
When you can directly respond to those scriptural truths, hit me up, okay?
Mike, now see: this is what I am talking about. You discount my points as non answers to your questions, because you say that you are not interested in reading a novel, and fair enough. However, days ago, I gave you one post which was perhaps 20 lines long, and you answered my ONE post with approximately FIVE similar sized posts to mine, which when put together, without the post separators, would be a HUGE novel bigger than my last one! Because that is what you do. You avoid any points as if they are not relevant in your mind, and request an answer to some question that has already been answered: just not to your liking. Then you go elsewhere to a place where you think you are not seen and insult as a tactic using outright lies.
The answer to your question is in my last post, if you can find it!
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