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[kerwin]

T,

A certain clown went into a church and taught that a piece of heaven existed before God created heaven. {Laugh Track goes here.}

This material that was a part of heaven was God's body. {Laugh Track goes here.}

[mikeboll64]

Quote (abe @ April 17 2013,20:16)

This is where your going with the little g thing. Jesus Christ never mentioned himself as being a god. THINK.

Jesus himself didn't come right out and say he was a god – but he surely implied it in John 10:34-36.

He was basically saying, If he called them gods, then what about the one He set apart as His very own?

The Jews were accusing Jesus of making himself out to be a god. And his answer was, If these LESSER ones are gods, then wouldn't it stand to reason that this GREATER one in front of you would also be a god? I am, after all, God's very own Son that He set apart and sent into the world. Why WOULDN'T the Son of the Most High God also be a god?

Now Abe, the above is MY personal interpretation of what Jesus said in John 10. Others will undoubtedly understand it differently – especially those who have bought into the the unscriptural nonsense that there literally exists only one god.

But maybe it's YOU who needs to THINK. If a son of a lion is a lion, and the son of a human is a human, why wouldn't the spirit sons of God be gods?

Anyway, please directly address Isaiah 9:6 and Hebrews 1:8. It seems fairly obvious to me that Jesus is called a god in both of those scriptures. What's your take on it?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (abe @ April 18 2013,00:28)

However unto the son the throne of you the God into the age of the age. Looks to me;  Unto the Son the Throne of  God into the age You don't think this verse is calling the Son,   God?

That sounds about right, Abe.  But now let's separate the “Unto the Son” from the rest, based on the context.  We must incorporate the beginning words of verse 7 into our understanding.

In verse 7, Paul says, “In speaking of the angels he says…………..”

This line contrasts with the first words of verse 8.  Get it?

Here is how it lays out:  To the angels, He says “X”.  However, unto the Son, [He says] “The throne of you, ho theos, is to the age of the age.”

And remember that verse 9 (which is part of the same scripture Paul was quoting) ends by speaking about the God OF this first god mentioned.

The passage speaks about a certain god, and the God who set this first god above his companions by anointing him with the oil of gladness.

So yes, I'm fairly certain this passage refers to Jesus as a god, and then tells how the God OF Jesus anointed him and set him above his companions.

(I would like to hear either your acceptance of what I've posted here – or your rebuttal. I would also like to hear your interpretation of Is 9:6 – and why you think that verse isn't calling Jesus a god.)

[mikeboll64]

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Quote (kerwin @ April 18 2013,10:40) To all, A certain clown walked into a temple and testified saying that in the beginning Jehovah has a body composed of a material he had not yet created. {Laugh Track goes here.} Kerwin then their was that clown ,that could not read well ,because he was always joking ,never took something seriously ,and always twisting someone else words ,just for refusing better knowledge ,

I wonder why Kerwin doesn't tell us what separates God from the things He created.

[abe]

Quote (abe @ April 17 2013,22:28)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 17 2013,17:10) Does that include Jesus, Abe?  How do you pray to Jehovah through His mediator if you can't mention the mediator's name? Perhaps instead of encouraging Gene in his disbelief of scriptures, you could answer the two questions I asked him instead?  (They are in the post directly above yours.) Go ahead Abe, give it a shot. Hi Mike, <> Strong'sTransliterationGreekEnglishMorphology 4314 [e]prosπρὸςuntoPrep 1161 [e]deδὲhoweverConj 3588 [e]tonτὸνtheArt-AMS 5207 [e]huionυἱόνSon,N-AMS 3588 [e]HOὉtheArt-NMS 2362 [e]thronosθρόνοςthroneN-NMS 4771 [e]souσουof you,PPro-G2S 3588 [e]hoὁOArt-NMS 2316 [e]theosθεὸςGod,N-NMS 1519 [e]eisεἰς[is] toPrep     (into) 3588 [e]tonτὸνtheArt-AMS 165 [e]aiōnaαἰῶναageN-AMS 3588 [e]touτοῦof theArt-GMS 165 [e]aiōnosαἰῶνος However unto the son the throne of you the God into the age of the age. Looks to me;  Unto the Son the Throne of  God into the age You don't think this verse is calling the Son,   God? Peace brother.

Hi Mike,

You missed it.

[mikeboll64]

I addressed it, Abe. Now I'm waiting for YOUR response to MY rebuttal.

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2013,07:19)

Quote (terraricca @ April 18 2013,13:57) Quote (kerwin @ April 18 2013,10:40) To all, A certain clown walked into a temple and testified saying that in the beginning Jehovah has a body composed of a material he had not yet created. {Laugh Track goes here.} Kerwin then their was that clown ,that could not read well ,because he was always joking ,never took something seriously ,and always twisting someone else words ,just for refusing better knowledge , I wonder why Kerwin doesn't tell us what separates God from the things He created.

Mike,

A clown went into a church and insisted Love has a body because it was separate from creation.{Laugh Track goes here.}

[mikeboll64]

So then you can't answer, Kerwin? You are doing the same exact thing you are scolding jammin for doing in the other thread.

You surely know that SOMETHING must separate God from His creation, right? Is it wrong to call that a spiritual body?

If so, why?

[abe]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2013,17:43)

I addressed it, Abe.  Now I'm waiting for YOUR response to MY rebuttal.

Hi Mike,

What is the matter with Kerwin?

Peace brother.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ April 19 2013,02:22)

T, A certain clown went into a church and taught that a piece of heaven existed before God created heaven.  {Laugh Track goes here.} This material that was a part of heaven was God's body. {Laugh Track goes here.}

K

your allegory is an non sens ,ridicule ,you seem not to be able to answer the question and so invent answers that do not make sens ,

you never answer my question ;WHAT IS THE LOVE OF GOD

IF GOD IS LOVE ;AS JOHN SAYS IT ,HOW DOES JOHN EXPLAIN IT

HERE ARE THE ONLY TWO VERSES THAT SHOWS “”GOD IS LOVE””

1JN 4:8 The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.
1JN 4:16 We have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.

[abe]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2013,16:43)

Quote (abe @ April 17 2013,20:16) This is where your going with the little g thing. Jesus Christ never mentioned himself as being a     god. THINK. Jesus himself didn't come right out and say he was a god – but he surely implied it in John 10:34-36. He was basically saying, If he called them gods, then what about the one He set apart as His very own? The Jews were accusing Jesus of making himself out to be a god.  And his answer was, If these LESSER ones are gods, then wouldn't it stand to reason that this GREATER one in front of you would also be a god?  I am, after all, God's very own Son that He set apart and sent into the world.  Why WOULDN'T the Son of the Most High God also be a god?   Now Abe, the above is MY personal interpretation of what Jesus said in John 10.  Others will undoubtedly understand it differently – especially those who have bought into the the unscriptural nonsense that there literally exists only one god. But maybe it's YOU who needs to THINK.  If a son of a lion is a lion, and the son of a human is a human, why wouldn't the spirit sons of God be gods? Anyway, please directly address Isaiah 9:6 and Hebrews 1:8.  It seems fairly obvious to me that Jesus is called a god in both of those scriptures.  What's your take on it?

Hi Mike,

Heb.12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

Peace brother.

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2013,07:48)

So then you can't answer, Kerwin?  You are doing the same exact thing you are scolding jammin for doing in the other thread. You surely know that SOMETHING must separate God from His creation, right?  Is it wrong to call that a spiritual body? If so, why?

Mike,

Your question shows a lack of knowledge. Love was not created but existed before creation. Love is in many places and yet is one existence. It is like unto God who also was there before creation. Angels are creations, God is not. God is not like an angel because he is the non created being.

[terraricca]

Quote (kerwin @ April 19 2013,11:09)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 19 2013,07:48) So then you can't answer, Kerwin?  You are doing the same exact thing you are scolding jammin for doing in the other thread. You surely know that SOMETHING must separate God from His creation, right?  Is it wrong to call that a spiritual body? If so, why? Mike, Your question shows a lack of knowledge.  Love was not created but existed before creation.  Love is in many places and yet is one existence.  It is like unto God who also was there before creation. Angels are creations, God is not.  God is not like an angel because he is the non created being.

Mike

I believe that kerwin ,believe rely on having God almighty everywhere and IN all things INCLUDING MEN ,so if you separate God's creation from God himself this would put his faith in jeopardy, he rather believe a lie than the truth out of the scriptures ,

many people are doing the same thing with other scriptures ,they get stuck on one particular verse and will deny the whole bible for it ,

how can they have godly truth in them they cannot.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (abe @ April 18 2013,22:58)

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2013,16:43) If a son of a lion is a lion, and the son of a human is a human, why wouldn't the spirit sons of God be gods? Anyway, please directly address Isaiah 9:6 and Hebrews 1:8.  It seems fairly obvious to me that Jesus is called a god in both of those scriptures.  What's your take on it? Hi Mike, Heb.12:9   Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the  Father  of spirits, and live? Peace brother.

Hi Abe,

That is a scripture, not an answer to any of the questions in the quote box. Try an ANSWER this time, okay?

[mikeboll64]

Quote (kerwin @ April 18 2013,23:09)

Mike, Your question shows a lack of knowledge.

Kerwin,

What separates the being of “God” from those things He created? If the things God created are not God Himself, then something must separate them from the God who created them. What is that something?

[mikeboll64]

Hi Pierre,

That seems to be an astute observation.

[terraricca]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 20 2013,08:23)

Hi Pierre, That seems to be an astute observation.

[abe]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2013,17:17)

Quote (abe @ April 18 2013,00:28) However unto the son the throne of you the God into the age of the age. Looks to me;  Unto the Son the Throne of  God into the age You don't think this verse is calling the Son,   God? That sounds about right, Abe.  But now let's separate the “Unto the Son” from the rest, based on the context.  We must incorporate the beginning words of verse 7 into our understanding. In verse 7, Paul says, “In speaking of the angels he says…………..” This line contrasts with the first words of verse 8.  Get it? Here is how it lays out:  To the angels, He says “X”.  However, unto the Son, [He says] “The throne of you, ho theos, is to the age of the age.” And remember that verse 9 (which is part of the same scripture Paul was quoting) ends by speaking about the God OF this first god mentioned. The passage speaks about a certain god, and the God who set this first god above his companions by anointing him with the oil of gladness. So yes, I'm fairly certain this passage refers to Jesus as a god, and then tells how the God OF Jesus anointed him and set him above his companions. (I would like to hear either your acceptance of what I've posted here – or your rebuttal.  I would also like to hear your interpretation of Is 9:6 – and why you think that verse isn't calling Jesus a god.)

Hi Mike,

Looks to me;  Unto the Son the Throne of  God into the age of the age.

Ps.45:6 Your throne, God, is forever and ever; the scepter of Your kingdom is a scepter of justice.

“The throne of you, ho theos, is to the age of the age.

ho theos= the God. not O God.

Sorry, don't see the Son being called god.

Peace brother.

[abe]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 18 2013,16:43)

Quote (abe @ April 17 2013,20:16) This is where your going with the little g thing. Jesus Christ never mentioned himself as being a     god. THINK. Jesus himself didn't come right out and say he was a god – but he surely implied it in John 10:34-36. He was basically saying, If he called them gods, then what about the one He set apart as His very own? The Jews were accusing Jesus of making himself out to be a god.  And his answer was, If these LESSER ones are gods, then wouldn't it stand to reason that this GREATER one in front of you would also be a god?  I am, after all, God's very own Son that He set apart and sent into the world.  Why WOULDN'T the Son of the Most High God also be a god?   Now Abe, the above is MY personal interpretation of what Jesus said in John 10.  Others will undoubtedly understand it differently – especially those who have bought into the the unscriptural nonsense that there literally exists only one god. But maybe it's YOU who needs to THINK.  If a son of a lion is a lion, and the son of a human is a human, why wouldn't the spirit sons of God be gods? Anyway, please directly address Isaiah 9:6 and Hebrews 1:8.  It seems fairly obvious to me that Jesus is called a god in both of those scriptures.  What's your take on it?

Hi Mike,

(Quote)
I am, after all, God's very own Son that He set apart and sent into the world.  Why WOULDN'T the Son of the Most High God also be a god?[/i]  

Because he said He was the SON OF GOD.

Ex.23:13 Now concerning everything which I have said to you, be on your guard; and do not mention the name of other gods, nor let them be heard from your mouth.

and do not mention the name of other gods,

He KNEW people would have to pray through HIM.

Is.9:6 You should really have a hard look at this verse mighty God is not there.

Peace.

[mikeboll64]

Quote (abe @ April 19 2013,21:09)

ho theos= the God. not O God. Sorry, don't see the Son being called god.

To the Son He says, O God, your throne is forever…………...

Now what part of that don't you understand, Abe?

Who do you think is being addressed in that quote? (It SHOULD BE obvious, since the sentence starts with “TO THE SON”, right?

I'm not seeing the dilemma here.

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