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Ed,
The whole world will be broken down by the coming of the kingdom of God. In verse 35 you can see where the whole statue is broken and the pieces blow away as chaff. So it will happen with the kingdoms of this world that are in the area of Nebakenezer’s empire. After that the kingdom will come to encompass the whole world. It seems reasonable the the two witnesses will be the event that starts it off.
Blowing away as chaff could be the people of the world fleeing the area.
Hi Kerwin,
The “Kingdom of God” arrived on “Pentecost”; you do not believe this?
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God bless
Ed JEd,
The Roman Empire lasted long after that Pentecost and yet appears to be the two legs as it was only divided between two courts in 285 BC. It would last until the Eastern half was conquered by the Ottoman Empire. The first Emperor of the Ottoman considered himself just another Eastern Roman emperor out to restore is faded glory. Historians and perhaps his successors disagree.
Wikipedia: Growth of the Ottoman Empire
Mehmed II invaded Italy in 1480. The intent of his invasion was to capture Rome and “reunite the Roman Empire”,
In short the first Ottoman Empire viewed himself as a Roman Emperor but history disagreed just as they disagree with the Roman Empires idea that they were one Empire with two emperors.
If we instead the Ottoman Empire as being the Roman Empire then the feet of clay and iron would be what came after its fall and what is there today.
It was a seed that was sown at that Pentecost and that seed has not become the rock. It may be it still needs to be purified by trouble and persecution.
Ed,
The abomination that caused the destruction of the Temple was the theft of silver from it by Florus in 66 BC. That of course lead to the Jewish infighting that killed the moderate Jewish and probably Jewish Christian leaders and other before Roman legions even took the city and destroyed the temple. In short hatred destroyed the temple.
Jewish Virtual Library on the Great Revolt.
In the year 66, Florus, the last Roman procurator, stole vast quantities of silver from the Temple.
Jewish Virtual Library on the Great Revolt.
In later generations, the rabbis hyperbolically declared that the revolt’s failure, and the Temple’s destruction, was due not to Roman military superiority but to causeless hatred (sinat khinam) among the Jews (Yoma 9b)
The biggest consumer I know is the United States and the United States is also know to export immorality, even to Islamic countries
Exactly.
“Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light” (2Corinthians 11:14)
“though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you
than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” (Gal.1:8)Muhammad got his revelations from an angel – who was really Lucifer the devil
also called satan and the prince of this world by Jesus Christ.Anyone supposedly speaking under the authority of Jesus Christ can do the same thing (be transformed into an angel of light, and preach another gospel). IMO, the biggest threat to a Christian’s faith are Christians themselves. Muslims are not.
What do you fear for the most: Your fleshly life, or your spiritual life?
“and which had not worshipped the (islamic) beast, neither his (kabba) image, neither had
received his (muslim) mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands;” (Rev 20:4)We should not add to the words of the book of Revelation.
“I warn every one who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if any one adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book”, (Rev 22.18)
Anyway you are free t believe whatever you want, Ed J. What is the point in going back and forth continuously with you? I find the topic of Islam and the times we are in interesting. And it would be nice to examine things in the right frame of mind, without all of the attached negativity which you insist we believe.
Hi Miia,
Ignore my words if you want. But islam is
the Bible’s last greatest threat to mankind.
Keras’ study is of their biblical destruction.
You’re in conversation with him on (HCBC forum)_______________
God bless
Ed JHi Miia,
His area of study was ignored by the people of this forum and that’s why Keras left.
People ignoring the area of my study means nothing to me. I however will be
doing you-tube videos to get the information of my area of study out._______________
God bless
ED JEd,
Jesus teaches us the beast within is the biggest threat humanity will face for the number of the beast is the number of the beast and both were created on the Sixth Night and Day of creation. Conform not to the image image of the beast but instead to the image of Word(logos) of God.
Ed,
Perhaps, but perhaps instead I am confident in what is written. After all, we are taught that our enemy is not flesh and blood (Ephesians 6:12) but you insist it is. Our enemy is out flesh nature, which is to say the nature of the beast. (1 Peter 4:6 and Romans 8:13) We are to resist Satan’s appeals to it and know he will run away. (James 4:7)
In speaking of the Statue that Nebacanezar dreamed of their is the head of gold which is said to be the kingdom of Babylon. Then there is the chest and arms of silver which is said to be the Mede and Persian Empire. One arm of it is the Medes and the other is the Persians. Next is the legs of Iron which is the Eastern and Western Roman Empires. Last is the feet of clay mixed with iron. Then came the belly and thighs of the Greek Empire and its offspring which divided even as the human body divides as it goes from the belly to the thighs. There is no other piece of it so where does that leave the Ottoman Empire? Did God fail to foresee it? I already pointed out where I believe it fits.
Notice also the the quality decreased over time from most precious gold to the abomination of clay mixed with iron that now exists in the real that King Nebuchadnezzar once ruled.
Hi Kerwin,
Once again you miss the biblical narrative,
though our enemy is not flesh and blood,
without flesh and blood he is no threat to us.“the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service” (John 16:2)
EdJ,
That time began long before Mohamed was conceived within his mother’s womb. John the brother James was put to the sword and the people who claimed to serve God were pleased and 40 men vowed to God they would neither eat or drink before they killed Paul.
On the other hand Mehmed II accepted both Christians and Jews into Constantinople. He didn’t even change the name as “Stanbulin,” is Greek for to the city and which was corrupted to Istanbul which means plenty of Islam. Despite opposition both names were used interchangeably until the empire’s fall. Source Istanbul was Constantinople
His area of study was ignored by the people of this forum and that’s why Keras left.
Ed, the person you mention left, because he felt superior in understanding from what I perceive, and believes himself to be a modern day Noah, just like you believe yourself to be the modern day “witness, Ed”, mentioned in the bible. But, the truth is that, (firstly, the two witnesses were more likely to be John the Baptist and Jesus Christ), and we don’t need the person you mentioned as Noah, nor “the witness Ed”, nor the group of three who also left with their own understanding of prophecy; because the Holy Spirit is our teacher. And, if we trust in Him, there’s no need to fear “the arrows in the night”, (Psalm 91), or a sun-strike, or ISIS, or whatever else which could physically harm us. We should not fear for our physical lives, or the loss of our possessions. Rather, we should fear for our spiritual lives, and we should fear deception, both for ourselves and those around us. And, as I said, the person you mentioned, and perhaps some others, leave because they feel they are superior in understanding, and thus suffer from frustration. But, he who raises himself up will be brought down, and he who humbles himself will be raised up, (Matthew 23). Yes, there may be areas of understanding which we, as individuals, believe that others cannot see. But, if they won’t listen, then it’s time to move away from the debate, rather than away from the person or group, because, otherwise we are not displaying the love of one another, which Christ commanded.
Jesus teaches us the beast within is the biggest threat humanity will face for the number of the beast is the number of the beast and both were created on the Sixth Night and Day of creation. Conform not to the image image of the beast but instead to the image of Word(logos) of God.
Amen Kerwin, that’s how I see it also.
Perhaps the beast is sin, devouring the nations. It would fit with Paul’s man of sin.
I however will be
doing you-tube videos to get the information of my area of study out.Good on you Ed.
I’m writing fiction (a novel) to get my message out in a hidden sort of way.
Miia,
The two witnesses were in John’s future as he saw the vision and not in his past.
Kerwin, not necessarily so. As an old member used to say (remember the quite humble Abe?)… “past, present or future?”
Imagine you are in a television store. Around you are multiple television sets, all playing different channels at the same time. I once read that as an illustration of how John was seeing things, like he was standing in a room looking from one scene to another, but not necessarily in any chronological order, and not necessarily past, present or future.
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