Islamic Immigration

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  • #806959
    Miia
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    Hi Nick,

    God spoke in parables, so the spiritually blind and death would not understand.

    The spirit of God worketh in the heart, if one has truly experienced the spirit of God, and compassion is felt toward the suffering human being – regardless of their religion, nationality or status. The spirit of God draws us to our knees for God and humanity.

    So, when Jesus said we served Him through one of the least of these;  he then calls us brothers. So i read Matthew 25 as: ‘when you did it to one of the least of these (humanity) —– pause —– my brothers, you did it to me’.

    He does not call the second group in the next verses his brothers.

    #806961
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Miia,

    The family of God does not include all men.

    Only those who obey and are reborn from above.

    And those to whom He decides to show His mercy to.

     

    The offer of God through Jesus Christ must be taken seriously.

    #806962
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Miia,

    Even those who are reborn from above but who do not add to the investment God has made in them can be cast into the outer darkness.

    God made the rules and told us to take care in our walk.

    #806963
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Miia,

    Those who put their trust in human leaders and their arms and powers are foolish.

    Their people are being impoverished by their futile efforts.

    Prophecy will be fulfilled despite man.

    #806966
    Ed J
    Participant

    Luke 10:29But he, desiring to justify himself, said to Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?” 30Jesus replied, “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and he fell among robbers, who stripped him and beat him and departed, leaving him half dead.

    Hi Miia,

    “If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.” (John 5:31)
    “Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true” (John 8:14)

    Luke 10:30-36 is fulfillment of John 8:14.
    Jesus died in the flesh, but spirit cannon die.
    Mary was his mother, God was his Father: God raised Jesus flesh back to life.

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #806967
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Miia,

    Do you know who Joab was?

    #806986
    Miia
    Participant

    Ed, I love you! But your response to Luke 10.30-36 missed 37.

    [37] He said, “The one who showed mercy on him.” And Jesus said to him, “Go and do likewise.”

    #806987
    Miia
    Participant

    Hi Nick,

    I don’t understand peoples blindness.

    The Pharisees thought they were the chosen ones, did they not? And looked down on others.

    “The least of these” in the context of the chapter does not necessarily mean a lesser Christian, but means (I believe) humanity.

    “If you did it to one of the least of these… my brothers – you did it to me”.

    My dad is 74 Nick. He works full time, often several days without a days break. He cares for those who cannot look after themselves. He is a servant type. Does it matter if those whom he cares for are Christian, Muslim, or Atheist? I don’t think they would even understand.

    My point is and always has been that the spirit of God moves us to care for the needy/ suffering. That – as Jesus said – is our neighbor.

    Are we lights?

     

     

    #806988
    Miia
    Participant

    Jesus told us to make disciples of all nations.

    After our failure, Jesus appeared himself to Muslims in dreams and visions.

    Many Muslims remain silent about their belief in Christ.

    Now, Muslims are coming to us as refugees.

    Isn’t that a good thing, what excuse do we have now?

    Send them back some say, we are Christians, but we fear for our lives!

    Take the opportunity, or don’t.

     

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    Here’s what Jesus says about welcoming Refugees

    From here: http://www.faithstreet.com/onfaith/2015/11/19/heres-what-jesus-says-about-welcoming-refugees/38091

    This latest example of xenophobia conflicts with the details of Jesus’ life a little too closely.

    First, Jesus and his parents were Middle Eastern refugees. The nativity scene, after all, is about a Middle Eastern family looking for a place to stay. Matthew tells us that after Jesus’ birth, Mary and Joseph fled with the baby to Egypt. Turning away refugee families right before we put up Christmas decorations is too ironic even for those who often miss the irony of their political views and professed faith. Second, Jesus gives an ominous description of the Last Judgment in Matthew 25 that directly speaks to the issue of welcoming the foreigner ……. While one could argue over the definition of “brothers and sisters,” Jesus is known for universalizing the love of neighbor. It is perhaps one of Jesus’ unique contributions to moral teaching in human history. In his depiction of the Last Judgment, Jesus is the King, and He clearly states that how we treat who He calls “the least of these” is how we treat Him. Who are “the least of these?” Jesus says that those who reject “the least of these” will face eternal punishment. In verse 28, we learn that one category of “the least of these” is the “stranger.” How does Jesus define “stranger?” Matthew was originally written in Greek, and the Greek word that we translate as stranger is xenos. Xenos can be translated into English as “foreigner, immigrant, or stranger.” In other words, when we don’t welcome the foreigner, Jesus takes it personally. Let us acknowledge that even though it’s an unpopular thought in twenty-first-century America, Jesus says that those who reject “the least of these” will face eternal punishment. Needless to say, that statement should give pause to all of those who claim to follow Jesus Christ, yet quickly reject the stranger. If we fear an attack so intensely that we are willing to deny hospitality to refugee children, who could argue that the terrorists haven’t won? Not only have they taken human lives, they will have succeeded in taking away our humanity. Many Christians, including conservative evangelicals, realize that Jesus speaks clearly on this matter. No matter how many governors claim there is no room in the inn, the teaching of Jesus is simply too relevant to the current situation for Christians to ignore.

     

     

    #806991
    Miia
    Participant

    Hi Miia,

    Do you know who Joab was?

    Why?

    #807020
    Miia
    Participant

    –I’ll put this post in a new thread–

    #807195
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Why fear Islamic Immigration (the title of this thread). It means Christians can help them.

    I am not promoting fear, but documenting possible implications of Islamic immigration into Europe. It is logical to think this will change Europe. And when I post videos and stories based on this, these are but possibilities.

    Yes real Christians can help them and will help them. Outside of that, if Muslims become a major part of Europe, then within the democratic system, they could vote in Islamic governance followed by Sharia Law. Parts of Europe could go this way. After all, the previous Islamic Empire, (Ottoman Empire) encompassed parts of Europe along with the Middle East. Scripture says that the seventh kingdom is also the eighth. The Beast receives a deadly wound and is healed.

    In the event that native Europeans decide to fight against European Muslims, the opposite of Muslims fighting against Europeans, then think of the Yugoslav Wars on a bigger scale.

    We are naive to think that large scale Islamic immigration into Europe is going to have no effect.

    #807196
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Did you see my apology?

    I missed it. Thanks for that. Good on you. 🙂

    #807201
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Let’s just hope that many of these Muslims do not take these verses seriously. Surely some will and some do.

    Islam a religion of peace

    #807204
    Miia
    Participant

    I am not promoting fear, but documenting possible implications of Islamic immigration into Europe. It is logical to think this will change Europe. And when I post videos and stories based on this, these are but possibilities.

    Yes real Christians can help them and will help them. Outside of that, if Muslims become a major part of Europe, then within the democratic system, they could vote in Islamic governance followed by Sharia Law. Parts of Europe could go this way. After all, the previous Islamic Empire, (Ottoman Empire) encompassed parts of Europe along with the Middle East. Scripture says that the seventh kingdom is also the eighth. The Beast receives a deadly wound and is healed.

    In the event that native Europeans decide to fight against European Muslims, the opposite of Muslims fighting against Europeans, then think of the Yugoslav Wars on a bigger scale.

    We are naive to think that large scale Islamic immigration into Europe is going to have no effect.

    t8, yes you do have a point, and I’m not outright discounting Islam being the final world power, nor do I discount the point you make that “the whole world” might only mean the Middle East, because it IS a ‘possibility’, but then – so are many things past present and future. I just get frustrated with Ed’s insistence on being right, and his attitude toward Muslims as people, and his support of war when Jesus told us not to go to war. Whatever may or may not be; “loving thy neighbor” is the second most important commandment in the Bible. I don’t want us to lose focus on those things, while looking at the possibilities, (which ARE interesting).

    I missed it. Thanks for that. Good on you.

    Thank you 🙂

    #807205
    Miia
    Participant

    What is the context of those Quran verses?

    #807206
    kerwin
    Participant

    t8,

    I have questions about the if those words actually come from the Koran.
    Quranic Arabic Corpus

    Yusuf Ali: The Jews call ‘Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

    Shakir: And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

    There is definitely a difference between English Translations but I do not find one parallel to the words your source quotes.

    #807213
    Ed J
    Participant

    What is the context of those Quran verses?

    Hi Miia,

    Your words prove again and again that your knowledge of islam is very little to none.
    The context is: muslims are the best of peoples and Christians are the worst of creatures.

    ________________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #807242
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Miia,

    You need to study a bit more. Murder and rape of Christians
    is what the satanic religion calls for. It is called sheria law.

    _______________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #807254
    Miia
    Participant

    Hi Ed,

    the context is: muslims are the best of peoples and Christians are the worst of creatures

    I notice you used a capital for Christians, small m for Muslims, (perhaps not deliberate?)

    Christians also believe, in general, they are the best of peoples and non-Christians are the worst of creatures (are unsaved, so will suffer for all eternity in never-ending conscious torment).

    Is there a difference in that attitude?

    Of course, not all Christians believe that.

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