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Christianity was a departure from Judaism was it not, the Christians are cut off from the Jews and they have both persecuted each other The Christian Hitler all but eliminated the Jews
Hitler wrote: “I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord..” As a boy, Hitler attended to the Catholic church and experienced the anti-Semitic attitude of his culture. In his book, Mein Kampf, Hitler reveals himself as a fanatical believer in God and country.
…the fall of man in paradise has always been followed by his expulsion.
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
You think that the ruthless person is never sent by God because you do not believe what God does when He punishes by the hand of other humans….when you read the book of Job aren’t you really thinking “God would never let Satan do that just to prove a point” You really simply do not believe God sends trials and tribulations to people but then again you don’t even know the real story behind these things you don’t have the knowledge that the Jews could have been spared by other Jews but they wanted the holocaust to happen to get the state of Israel and this is a fact.
IT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT ALL THE SAGES AND SAINTS IN EUROPE AT THE TIME OF HITLER’S RISE DECLARED THAT HE WAS A MESSENGER OF DIVINE WRATH, SENT TO CHASTEN THE JEWS BECAUSE OF THE BITTER APOSTASY OF ZIONISM AGAINST THE BELIEF IN THE EVENTUAL MESSIANIC REDEMPTION. http://www.truetorahjews.org/lieberman
WAKE UP t8 you even call the bulk of your religion Babylon and whore yet you lay with her. You even chastise me a true believer and enjoy the company of Idolaters and polytheists.
Jews have rejected and lied about Jesus and Christians have misled many about Jesus and God, did you think God was just gonna leave it like that….the next time you look in revelations change your perception things are not what they appear and when Jesus returns just remember what he said he was going to do:
Matthew 25:25-29King James Version (KJV)
25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
Read “The Millions That Could Have Been Saved” by I.DombIt is an historical fact that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that: a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families daily.
The Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti.
The answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following comments: a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees. b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a “Jewish State” at the end of the war. c) No ransom will be paid This response to the Gestapo’s offer was made with the full knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber.
As far as Zionism is concerned, the founder of Zionism and apostate, Theodor Herzl, sought to intensify hatred of the Jew in order to enhance the cause of political Zionism. Here are some of his “pearls”:
“It is essential that the sufferings of Jews. . . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . . The anti-semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-semites shall be our best friends”. (From his Diary, Part I, pp. 16)
Additional words from the vivid imagination of this dreamer, from p. 68 of Part I of his Diary. http://www.truetorahjews.org/naziismzionismSo they should have done what Adolph Hitler said? It was wrong to want to return to their homeland, the very same land that God promised them, and promised he would return then too?
If you owned a home and didn’t realise that you were going to the gas chamber, I wonder how willing you would be to say, okay, I will leave my home and belongings behind. No problem, thanks for the $1000.
And if you were told, would you believe it?
Further, if you did believe it, but you believed more in the reinstatement of Israel, then what is the sin in that?
Sometimes people die for causes that are bigger than themselves.
Sorry BD, I just cannot get over the fact that the antichrist spirit denies the Father and the Son, which is clearly a tenet of Islam.
(1)Your interpretation of what God having no son is does not really change anything for me.
Would not Satan himself confess something and then say it really means this or that, in order to get you beleive the statement?
People create all kinds of interpretations to get around difficulties and I trust little of that.
Islamic thinking is this at a basic level:
“Allah has no son”.
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“Allah = God”
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God has no son.
=============(2) As for the Sons or daughters of Aaron, well I thanked EdJ for providing that.
(2a)That doesn’t mean I am going to study this to any great degree.
I have to be convinced of the merit of something before I dedicate decent time toward it.
(3)For now, Islam is extremely suspicious the more I look into it.
No son.
Smite Jews and Christians
Ottoman Islamic Caliphate conquered Rome making it a contender as one of the heads of the Beast, (seventh king and possibly eighth too).You don’t need to be a genius to see that Islam is and opposite force or adversary to Jews, Christians, and the Bible.
(4)Further, “In the name of Allah” in Arabic looks suspiciously like 666 in Hebrew, not to mention a whole raft of other coincidences.
Hi T8,
1) For me it illustrates that Muhammad could not distinguish spirit from flesh.
There is no-one in Christianity that believes as the quran says people do.A. God, his consort, and their baby boy (sura 6,101)
…..[size=11]Nor does anyone believe[/size]
B. “The Trinity” is suppose to be: God, his God consort, and their God baby. (sura 5,116)C. Clearly he could not distinguish between spirit and flesh, like the word of God clearly does. (ref. Heb.4:12-13)
2) Thanks! …clearly Muhammad DID NOT KNOW Jesus’ mother Mary was not
the Mary that was sister to Aaron and Moses and the daughter of Amram.
And for some strange reason BD refuses to see this big-blunder.2a) I have provided the proof earlier in this thread – I can give you the references.
3) That’s an understatement; the closer we look,
the more we are certain God warned us of this.4) Watch at least until time-line 7:10 (3 min)
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God bless
Ed JHello BD,
Hope all is well with you and yours.
I get it BD about the bloodless atonement. My question is to you, since bloodless atonement is not needed, defending those spilling blood in the name of Allah is somewhat of a hypocrite isn’t it?
Hi Princess, Greetings
Hello BD,
Hope all is well with you and yours.
I get it BD about the bloodless atonement. My question is to you, since bloodless atonement is not needed, defending those spilling blood in the name of Allah is somewhat of a hypocrite isn’t it?
Atonement is receiving forgiveness from God no bloodshed is required. I’m not sure what you mean by spilling blood in the name of Allah, fighting those who fight you is the command:
190Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
191And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
192But if they cease, Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
So we are talking about self defense, the believers use to not fight but then permission was given to them to fight.
To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to fight), because they are wronged;- and verily, Allah is most powerful for their aid;-
( سورة الحج , Al-Hajj, Chapter #22, Verse #39)
fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #216
HI EDJ
Hi T8,
1) For me it illustrates that Muhammad could not distinguish spirit from flesh.
There is no-one in Christianity that believes as the quran says people do.So Christians do not believe that Jesus is God as the Quran states they do? Do Christians not believe that “The Father” is one of three in a trinity?
It would be Stupid for anyone who is a Christian to deny the beliefs of the Mother Church who believe both that Jesus is God and that Jesus is one of three in a trinity both which are discusses in the Quran there is also more than enough sufficient evidence to believe that even Mary is treated as a goddess being called Queen of Heaven as well as the mother of God…EDJ, you are not STUPID so you should not CONCEAL TRUTHAnd cover not Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when ye know (what it is).
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #42)
Ye People of the Book! Why do ye clothe Truth with falsehood, and conceal the Truth, while ye have knowledge?
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #71)
A. God, his consort, and their baby boy (sura 6,101)
…..Nor does anyone believe
B. “The Trinity” is suppose to be: God, his God consort, and their God baby. (sura 5,116)This is your belief: Jesus is the son of God, Mary is the Mother of the Son of God and God is the Father of the Son of God….That is your belief
C. Clearly he could not distinguish between spirit and flesh, like the word of God clearly does. (ref. Heb.4:12-13)
Adam is the Son of God and you call him of the flesh but the scriptures call Adam the Son of God and in the genealogy of Jesus
he is the first one to be called Son of God2) Thanks! …clearly Muhammad DID NOT KNOW Jesus’ mother Mary was not
the Mary that was sister to Aaron and Moses and the daughter of Amram.
And for some strange reason BD refuses to see this big-blunder.For some strange reason you keep saying Jesus is the only begotten son of God when it is clear that the statement was made to David in psalms and you will not find 1 single sentence in the bible that says “Jesus is the only begotten son of God” even in John 3:16 it says and this is Jesus talking “God sent his only begotten son” he didn’t even say it was him yet you are trying to discredit Mary?
Right graciously did her Lord accept her: He made her grow in purity and beauty: To the care of Zakariya was she assigned. Every time that he entered (Her) chamber to see her, He found her supplied with sustenance. He said: “O mary! Whence (comes) this to you?” She said: “From Allah: for Allah Provides sustenance to whom He pleases without measure.”
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #37)
That they rejected Faith; that they uttered against mary a grave false charge;
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #156)
Was Zakariya in the day of Moses? you see what happens when you keep pretending to be STUPID…I Know you are not STUPID but you keep purposely saying things that are untrue even though I clearly show you the facts…do you still say the Quran has Mary the Mother of Jesus mixed up with someone else when you know for a fact Zakariyah the Father of John was there with her?
2a) I have provided the proof earlier in this thread – I can give you the references.
You have only provided proof that you don’t like to read
Thanks again BD for you answer. Please understand this first before continuing, I do not have a title, name of any god attached to me. Most assured this is somewhat of a travesty on this forum. So when I read what is posted by others here I tend to see the same thing just in different form. Again it is my own.
You believe that Allah is the name of the one and only God. You compare/reflect each ancient text to intertwine with each other. Which is somewhat a feat in my opinion.
Most make it fully know what the end game is, believe in Christ, blood covered and removed your sins, come to him you will be saved, everlasting life. in a nutshell more or less.
But your end game is not so revealing, so with all truth BD what is your end game? What do you want others to see with your post?
Thanks again BD for you answer. Please understand this first before continuing, I do not have a title, name of any god attached to me. Most assured this is somewhat of a travesty on this forum. So when I read what is posted by others here I tend to see the same thing just in different form. Again it is my own.
You believe that Allah is the name of the one and only God. You compare/reflect each ancient text to intertwine with each other. Which is somewhat a feat in my opinion.
Most make it fully know what the end game is, believe in Christ, blood covered and removed your sins, come to him you will be saved, everlasting life. in a nutshell more or less.
But your end game is not so revealing, so with all truth BD what is your end game? What do you want others to see with your post?
My whole end game is this it is a quote but it sums up the point:
Allah is He, than Whom there is no other god;- the Sovereign, the Holy One, the Source of Peace (and Perfection), the Guardian of Faith, the Preserver of Safety, the Exalted in Might, the irresistible, the Supreme: Glory to Allah! (High is He) above the partners they attribute to Him.
( سورة الحشر , Al-Hashr, Chapter #59, Verse #23)
God is not a Christian, Jew or Muslim….God is our Creator we have been introduced to Him through various paths and even Names:
The most beautiful names belong to Allah: so call on him by them; but shun such men as use profanity in his names: for what they do, they will soon be requited.
( سورة الأعراف , Al-Araf, Chapter #7, Verse #180)
When some people here issue profanity on Names they do not understand they are being ignorant and destructive to themselves they do not understand that God makes Himself known by whatever name He wills:
Exodus 6:3
And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.So when people learn a name or some knowledge they divide themselves instead of unifying because mankind is ever ungrateful they want to own the rights of their creator so they exalt themselves instead of exalting the soverign nature of God in the Quran this specialization is over declaring God’s ultimate right:
Those who believe (in the Qur’an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #62)
ANY WHO BELIEVE not any Christian, not Any Jew, Not Any Muslim simply ….ANY, so draw near to God and He will draw near to you.
These religions have been lying to you declaring that only their religion is the way:
They say: “Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (To salvation).” Say thou: “Nay! (I would rather) the Religion of Abraham the True, and he joined not gods with Allah.”
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #135)
So Ultimately the ONLY RELIGIOUS PRACTICE ACCEPTABLE TO GOD IS SUBMISSION
James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.The Religion before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will): Nor did the People of the Book dissent therefrom except through envy of each other, after knowledge had come to them. But if any deny the Signs of Allah, Allah is swift in calling to account.
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #19)
Ask me anything anytime….God Bless Princess
Jesus Christ said this as recorded in the Bible:
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
Muhammad said these words or at least wrote them in the Quran in more than one place and in a number of different ways:
“Allah has no son”
The bible says that the Antichrist spirit denies the Father and the Son. Thus because Allah has no son, then Allah is not a Father either.
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist–denying the Father and the Son
Also, the Bible says that no liar has a place in God’s Kingdom, and that those who deny the Son, also deny the Father.
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars–they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
& No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
God as the Father and Jesus/Yeshua as the son is the central message of the New Testament. So much so that he sends his spirit in us whereby we cry out Abba Father.
Because you are his sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, “Abba, Father.”
To be sure that the Quran denies the son of God, we not only read it in the Quran, but we see it written in their mosques. Even the Dome of the Rock has this written inside among other text:
- God is only One God. Far be it removed from His transcendent majesty that He should have a son.
- It befitteth not (the Majesty of) God that He should take unto Himself a son. Glory be to Him!
How about there be no pretence that Islam and the teachings of Jesus as recorded in the Bible are harmonious.
Both books cannot be right. The logical options we are left with are:
- that the Bible is correct and the Quran is false
- that the Quran is correct and the Bible is false.
- that both books are false.
Personally I believe the message of the Bible and the prophecies it contains. I follow the Jesus of the Bible and not the Jesus written about in the Quran. Just because people use the word ‘Jesus’ does not mean they are talking about the true Jesus. As it is written:
But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ. For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully.
Let’s be honest. Mohammed came and preached another Jesus. A Jesus who is not the son of God.
Hi BD,
You claim submission to God. But God sent His Son.
And the Son has the role of judging men.
How will you fare?
Hi BD,
Lk 19.37
But these enemies of mine, who do not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence.
Hi @t8
How about there be no pretence that Islam and the teachings of Jesus as recorded in the Bible are harmonious.
Both books cannot be right. The logical options we are left with are:
that the Bible is correct and the Quran is false
that the Quran is correct and the Bible is false.
that both books are false.The Jews feel the same way about the NT they believe that Jesus is not prophesied in the OT and they rejected him they do not accept ANY of the NT
so according to your logic the OT is Correct and the NT is false, The NT is correct and the OT is false or they are both false
The problem with your logic is you didn’t provide all the Logical options A, B and C are all valid options but there is a 4th option and that is the revelations are sequential or progressive for instance The Gospels and the letters of Paul and such are also not harmonious if taken as comparison in the Gospels Jesus is explicitly talking about being the Jewish Messiah and being sent only to the Jews, he preaches the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven/God but Paul preaches an entirely different Gospel and preaches to a completely different audience his Gospel is to the gentiles and it is not the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven that Jesus preached it is the Gospel of Jesus Christ and they are different because Jesus preaches primarily about God and Paul preaches primarily about Jesus. so looking at these teachings in contrast you run into all sorts of problems some people who contrast feel differently about “The Law and the responsibilities of the gentile” such as some Christians feel they should keep the dietary laws of the Jews whereas Christians that believe sequential revelation say that those laws were not made for gentiles.
Personally I believe the message of the Bible and the prophecies it contains. I follow the Jesus of the Bible and not the Jesus written about in the Quran. Just because people use the word ‘Jesus’ does not mean they are talking about the true Jesus. As it is written:
Here again the Jesus of the Bible gets circumcised but the Jesus preached about in the Bible through Paul negates the need for circumcision
Jesus says call no man Father, Paul says he is Father of such and such and also calls people son
Jesus says do not go to the gentiles, Paul says Jesus says go to the gentiles
There are many examples I can offer but isn’t both true that Jesus said do not go to the gentiles and then said go to the gentiles?But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ. For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully.
Let’s be honest. Mohammed came and preached another Jesus. A Jesus who is not the son of God.
No that’s not being honest, Paul almost single handedly turned Jesus into a God and the Quran is clarifying that Jesus is not God nor is He the son of God
because no one is ACTUALLY God’s son. The Quran is clear the Children of Israel are the Children of Israel not the children of God and the son of Mary is the son of Mary but this son of Mary is a spirit that proceeded from God and is a Word from Him. God has no partners the Jews whom you trust say the exact same thing that God begets not nor is He begotten He has no brothers, uncles, cousins or a spouse. He Is God ALONE and there in NONE LIKE HIM and there is NO OTHER GOD BESIDES HIMHi BD,
WE do not follow the Law but the law of the Spirit.
The new circumcision is spoken of in col 2 .11-13
so according to your logic the OT is Correct and the NT is false, The NT is correct and the OT is false or they are both false
You missed the fourth option. That both are correct. Unlike the Quran and the Bible, the OT & NT paint a harmonious picture of God who first gave the Law, then after the Law did its work by bringing conviction, he introduced grace. If grace were given without law, we would not be thankful for that grace right. If someone paid my speeding ticket, but I did not know that speeding was illegal, then I am hardly going to be thankful that my fine was paid.
Additionally, Jesus prophesied correctly about the Jews and Jerusalem, so he was certainly a prophet, but if he lied about being the son of God, then he is a liar regardless of his track record as a prophet. However, he was telling the truth and the Jews rejected him and the rest is history. Have a people suffered for as long as the Jews have? Persecuted for centuries, without a country, awaiting a messiah that didn’t turn up, and ending with the Holocaust. But from this death, life arose. And the valley of dry bones came to life. Finally God gave them back the land. He has not given up on his people of the Book as the Quran calls them.
Both testaments are in harmony, even if some refuse to believe it. But the same cannot be said of the Quran and the Bible. Once a Rabbi said that he did not believe that Jesus was the messiah. But he acknowledged that if the messiah had already come, then Jesus was the only real candidate.
While some are still under the OT, and some in the new, others do not believe any of it and some do not believe that the universe was even created.
Obviously there are many views, but surely you can see the differences between the Bible and the Quran right? In many ways, the oppose. While the Quran and Bible oppose, the OT and NT are just different sides of the same coin.
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