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- May 2, 2013 at 9:03 am#782087ProclaimerParticipant
Does Isaiah 48:11 support of the Trinity Doctrine?
For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.
Let’s read the same verse in the NIV. Isaiah 48:11
For my own sake, for my own sake, I do this. How can I let myself be defamed? I will not yield my glory to another.Now read John 17:5
“And now, Father, bring me into the glory we shared before the world began”So we can see in one verse God says that he will not give his glory to another and in the second verse we see that Jesus is asking for the glory that he had WITH God in the beginning.
I also quoted the Isaiah verse in 2 different translations. The NIV used the word yield and that word is usually used in the context of giving something up as apposed to sharing something generously. But can we really assume that Jesus must be God in order to make these 2 verses make sense and avoid conflict. If this were so, then we would have to conclude that we are God too because it is written that we share in the glory of Christ, thus if Christ is God, then so must we be. Of course this assumption is wrong, but it is the only logical conclusion if Jesus is God and if God gives his glory to no one.
Romans 8:17
Now if we are children, then we are heirs, heirs of God and coheirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.2 Thessalonians 2:14
He called you to this through our gospel, that you might share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.1 Peter 5:1
To the elders among you, I appeal as a fellow elder, a witness of Christ’s sufferings and one who also will share in the glory to be revealed:The answer to this is in the difference in meanings of the words ‘yield/give’ and the word ‘share’. God will not yield or give his glory away completely, but he does share it and even among those who share in this glory, it is always acknowledged that the glory belongs to God.
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July 31, 2013 at 3:06 am#782088Anthony LeeGuestGod’s glory is his reputation. When we share his glory we share
his reputation only as far as we being created beings. How can
that be same as the Glory the Son with the Father before all creation?
I.e. eternally?February 24, 2014 at 2:01 am#782089G. Michael MayhewParticipantLet’s not forget that the Father shares the throne with the Son, so it once again makes sense that the “sharing” thing is going on here.
February 24, 2014 at 3:06 am#782090AdminKeymasterJesus is the glory of God in bodily form. The fullness of God. We reflect God in part only.
March 2, 2014 at 8:05 am#782091AdminKeymasterCorrect:
God is spirit. Angels are spirits.
God has divine nature, we can partake of divine nature.
God is light. Jesus said, “ye are the light of the world”.
Conclusion:
Not all who are spirits are God.
Not all who are divine are God.
Not all who are light are God.
So if Jesus is divine and the light, that would not be proof that he is God.
So yes, God shares. But he doesn’t give it all away to another.March 2, 2014 at 8:07 am#782092AdminKeymasterFurther, we can sit with Jesus on his throne in like manner. More sharing.
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