Is the Vatican the Beast?

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  • #849538
    Berean
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    Edj

    You explain how these verses

    And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
    [13] These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast

    #849540
    GeneBalthrop
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    Berean……that all takes place at the end of the SIXTH KINGDOM OF JESUS CHRIST AND THE SAINTS.

    YOU MUST GET THE TIME LINE RIGHT before you can understand it,   go and read what I wrote on REV 17.  IT IS CLEARLY EXPLAINED.

    peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene

    #849542
    Berean
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    Gene

     

    Excuse me Gene, I was speaking to

    Ed j  not you.

    For me I have not problem of understanding about these  bible verses.

     

     

     

    #849544
    Ed J
    Participant

    Edj

    You explain how these verses

    (1) And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; (2) but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
    [13] (3) These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast

    Hi Berean, (Rev.17:12-13)

    1) The ten kings haven’t received a kingdom yet, because John wrote Rev during the Roman Empire
    2) One hour is: 15.208333333 days (this Prophecy may yet be in the future as it is not seen as happening yet)
    3) islamists have one mind, (and shall give their power and strength unto the beast) which is world conquest for islam

    Any more questions?

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    God bless
    Ed J

    #849545
    Ed J
    Participant

    Prophecy is given as: “a day for a year” (Ezekiel 4:6, Numbers 14:34)

    so 365 ÷ 24 = 15.208333333333

    So 1 hour is a little more than 15 days

    #849576
    Berean
    Participant

    Ed j

     

    I don’t believe that you say about

    Revelation 17

     

     

    #849577
    Ed J
    Participant

    Ed j

    I don’t believe that you say about

    Revelation 17

    Hi Berean,

    You can believe whatever you want, but I can
    show you the proof of why I believe what I do.
    And I will show it to you, *if* you are interested.

    ____________
    God bless
    Ed J

    #869713
    Berean
    Participant

    Hi To all

    1John 2:18

    Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time

    anticristoV
    antichristos
    an-tee’-khris-tos

    from anti – anti 473 and CristoV – Christos 5547; an opponent of the Messiah:–antichrist.

    anti
    anti
    an-tee’

    a primary particle; opposite, i.e. instead or because of (rarely in addition to):–for, in the room of. Often used in composition to denote contrast, requital, substitution, correspondence, etc.

    As the John Wycliffe (c. 1329-84) put it,

    … the Pope may obviously be the Antichrist, and yet not just that sole single individual… but rather the multitude of popes holding that position … along with the cardinals and bishops of the church.

    This was the position on the Antichrist adopted by Protestants at the time of the 16th century Reformation. Martin Luther (1483-1546) was convinced that he was living in the last days. For him, the Pope fitted all the criteria for the Antichrist. The Pope, he declared, “is the true end times Antichrist who has raised himself over and set himself against Christ”.

    As quoted above
    the word “anti” has a meaning of”instead of, or “Substitution”
    To replace oneself is in a way to replace, to take someone’s place …
    What do the papal Catholic curia with the confessional system for the forgiveness of sins.

    And there’s more to it …

    For a lot more info on the above go to: below while it is still possible, it will not last long.

    God bless you

    https://m.facebook.com/notes/generation-for-gospel/vicarius-filii-dei-666-the-number-of-the-beast/234515559914086/

    #869716
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    Berean……the word Anti,  simply means against something,  if you simple put the words together ANTI- CHRIST,  WHAT are you “simply saying?’,  

    word………………..meaning

    Anti…………….Against

    Christos………the anointing 

    Now ask yourself, who was against the anointing of the man Jesus at the time when John wrote that? The Gnostic’s a group of false believers who were in the church , who believed and preached that, Jesus did not need to be Anointed with the Spirit of God, why?, because they believed and  preached he was already a God and therefore did not need to be anointed by God with his Anointing Spirt.
    Now ask yourself if you also believe, that Jesus was a God, and therefore did not need to be anointed by the Spirit of God?, If you do then you are a Antichrist too.

    peace and love to you and yours……….gene

    #869719
    Berean
    Participant

    Gene

    ANTI” DOESN’T ONLY MEAN “AGAINST” BUT ALSO” INSTEAD OF”OR SUBSTITUTION

    READ WHAT I WRITE:

    anti
    anti
    an-tee’

    a primary particle; opposite, i.e. instead or because of (rarely in addition to):–for, in the room of. Often used in composition to denote contrast, requital, substitution, correspondence, etc.

    #869735
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Berean is correct. It can mean in the place of.

    And while there are many antichrists, there is also ‘that antichrist’.

    2 John 1:7
    For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.

    1 John 2:18
    Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.

    #870979
    Berean
    Participant

    Hi To all

    The European Union is Transmitting the Message of Pope Francis to Europe
    May 25, 2021 by Andy Roman

    On May 22, 2021, Pope Francis received the President of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, in the Vatican. The European Commission is the governing legislative body of the European Union, the 27 member states of Europe. The Catholic News Agency reported the following about the Pope’s meeting with President Ursula von der Leyen:

    “During the cordial discussions, reference was made to the good bilateral relations, recently advanced thanks to the structured dialogue between the parties.” [1]
    “The parties then considered some issues of common interest, such as the social consequences of the pandemic, migration and climate change, and the recent developments in the Middle East.” [1]
    “Attention then turned to the theme of the human and social development of the continent, also with a view to the recently initiated Conference on the Future of Europe.” [1]
    This last point is of special interest. Both Rome and the President of the European Commission spoke about the “Conference on the Future of Europe.” This is an initiative to implement the “priorities” for the future of the “European Union.” And what are those priorities? The priorities are none other than the message of Pope Francis on solidarity and climate change.

    The Conference for the Future of Europe, a plan administered by the European Union, is sponsoring two conferences to “answer Pope Francis’ message for Europe.” One is called “Integral Ecology in Our Lives and Society” and addresses the message of Rome on climate change. [2] The other is called “Promoting Inter-generational and Inter-regional Solidarity” and deals with the Pope’s message on solidarity and the economy. [3]

    In addition, the Conference for the Future of Europe states that COMECE, the Conference of Roman Catholic Bishops in the European Union, will work with Catholic youth throughout Europe to “help formulate concrete proposals for the future of Europe.” [2] [3] Here we see how Rome has everything covered in Europe. Pope Francis has been very active and busy. He is vigorously promoting Rome’s policies among European leaders so they can act, now!

    Pope Francis’ meeting with President Ursula von der Leyen was described as “excellent.” Catholic News Agency concluded their report with the following:

    “The good cooperation is basically based on sharing the same values, working for peace, for solidarity, for the dignity of the human being … The European Union is organizing weekly walks in Rome in May and June to mark the 50th anniversary of diplomatic relations between the EU and the Holy See.” [4]
    It is quite worrying when the top leader of the European Commission, the most powerful and influential entity in Europe, bows to the Pope of Rome and pledges to do his job. What happened to the separation of church and state? We are seeing a literal fulfillment of the predictions that were made in the book of Revelation. We are witnessing the confederation of nations as they attempt to implement a global socialist agenda with the antichrist. This is the work that will take place just before Jesus returns in the clouds of heaven:

    “And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.” Revelation 17:12.
    “These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.” Revelation 17:13.
    “For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.” Revelation 17:17.
    “These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings.” Revelation 17:14.
    “The Word of God plainly declares that His law is to be scorned, trampled upon, by the world; there will be an extraordinary prevalence of iniquity. The professed Protestant world will form a confederacy with the man of sin, and the church and the world will be in corrupt harmony” (Bible Commentary, Vol. 7, p. 975).
    Sources

    [1] https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/247752/pope-francis-meets-european-commission-president-at-the-vatican

    [2] https://futureu.europa.eu/processes/GreenDeal/f/2/meetings/616?filter%5Bdecidim_scope_id%5D=&filter%5Bresource_type%5D=Decidim%3A%3AMeetings%3A%3AMeeting&filter%5Bterm%5D=pope

    [3] https://futureu.europa.eu/processes/Economy/f/13/meetings/614?filter%5Bdecidim_scope_id%5D=&filter%5Bresource_type%5D=Decidim%3A%3AMeetings%3A%3AMeeting&filter%5Bterm%5D=pope

    [4] https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/247752/pope-francis-meets-european-commission-president-at-the-vatican

    #871009
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    Berean.

    Is it possible that the Vatican is not the Beast (Political), but the women that rides the Beast clothed in purple, (religious).

    #871209
    Berean
    Participant

     

    Joe Biden’s New Executive Order Will Prepare the Economy for the Climate Crisis
    June 2, 2021 by Andy Roman

     

    On May 20, 2021, President Joe Biden issued his “Executive Order on Climate Related Financial Risk.” Joe Biden’s executive order aims to reform the current financial system into a more sustainable and environmentally friendly model. This brilliant Marxist idea to combat the climate change crisis in America will cause the middle class and the poor to give up their possessions and freedoms, while those in power will end up owning everything.

    Under Joe Biden’s vision for America, the climate crisis will destroy America’s entire financial system if we don’t act now. They believe that the climate crisis will affect all aspects of our lives if we do not make radical changes in our economy. The Joe Biden administration has decided that you are not sufficiently alarmed about the climate apocalypse, which is why they are raising the alarm from panic to pure hysteria.

    The new executive order states that the climate crisis “threatens the competitiveness of U.S. companies and markets, the life savings and pensions of U.S. workers and families, and the ability of U.S. financial institutions to serve communities.” [1] Joe Biden is pushing fear-mongering. He says we will lose our “life savings” and “pensions” if we don’t act now. He is targeting both the federal government and the private sector. His executive order calls to assess “climate-related financial risk to Federal Government programs, assets, and liabilities” and also to assess “areas in which private and public investments can play complementary roles.” [1]

    “Private and public investments?” He is coming after private businesses and private citizens. Joe Biden’s plan is to “regulate entities to mitigate climate-related financial risk to the financial system or assets and a recommended implementation plan for taking those actions.” [1] All this vague language means that everyone will be subject to the new “recommended implementation plan” for the climate change crisis.

    What is the recommended plan? President Biden does not say. But, according to the executive order, we need immediate and bold action to prevent businesses and individuals from financing the current climate catastrophe. We know what Joe Biden’s plan is. Pope Francis, a political ally of Joe Biden, has already presented the economic and financial solution to the climate crisis. It is called “inclusive capitalism” [2] and the plan is to radically “reform” (eliminate) the capitalist free market system.

    You see, under the scenario of the coming mark of the beast, no one will be able to buy or sell, except those who accept the mark of apostasy, Sunday sacredness imposed by law (Revelation 13:17). Bible prophecy describes a financial system that does not allow free markets to flourish. Under the current system in the United States, anyone can start a business, hire employees, negotiate sales, trade and do business freely with anyone else. Unfortunately, that system will have to come to an end.

    “And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.” Revelation 13:16, 17.
    According to the Pope Francis/Joe Biden model, governments cannot allow the free market system to work. Governments must impose barriers and end competition. Governments must eliminate private property. Governments must own and regulate the sale of goods and services. Governments must set prices. Governments will decide who can participate in the global economy. Governments must redistribute wealth and give everyone a universal income. And the beast and the image (the Vatican and the United States) of Revelation 13 will be the ones that dictate these policies to the governments of the world.

    And after the world’s economies are destroyed, after jobs have been eliminated, after we can’t buy anything because of inflation, after those in power have consolidated the world’s wealth, after everyone is locked up at home because there is no work, after everyone is sustained by the government with a universal income, after you have nothing and don’t own anything, and after everyone has received the mark of the beast, then the climate will be much cleaner and everyone will live happily ever after. At least that’s what they tell us.

    Sources

    [1] https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2021/05/20/executive-order-on-climate-related-financial-risk/

    [2] https://www.inclusivecapitalism.com/about/

     

    #872358
    Berean
    Participant

    Hi To all

     

    When Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, created a dazzling, 90-foot image made of solid gold, he gathered the leaders of his country to bow before it in worship. At the sound of music, every official was to fall prostrate on the plain of Dura and show divine honor to the self-centered monarch—on pain of death by fire in a furnace.

    But three young Hebrew men refused. Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego would not bow down and worship the image. Even after being given a second chance, they wouldn’t budge. It so angered Nebuchadnezzar that he asked his soldiers to heat the furnace seven times hotter. The furnace was so raging hot that when the soldiers threw in the young Hebrews, they themselves perished.

    But what the king saw next shook him to the core. There were not only three men in the furnace—there were four! And they were all moving about, unharmed. The king declared, “I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire; and they are not hurt, and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God” (Daniel 3:25). God Himself saved these courageous young men because they refused to dishonor Him.

    Someday, all God’s people will be confronted with the same choice as these three men: to obey the voice of a man or the Word of God.

    The Connection to Revelation
    There’s a link between the story in Daniel 3 and the book of Revelation.

    Notice how John describes this last-day evil power: “He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed” (Revelation 13:15).

    It’s an echo of the account of the three worthy Hebrews. In the final days of Earth’s history, God’s people will be coerced once more to worship a false image or be slain. They will be forced to choose between following God’s law or man’s law. So, who is this “beast” that produces this end-time false image?

    Identifying the Beast
    The Bible tells us what beasts represent in prophecy. Notice these examples:

    “The fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom on earth” (Daniel 7:23, emphasis added).

    “These great beasts, which are four, are four kings” (7:17, emphasis added).

    “And the male goat is the kingdom of Greece” (8:21, emphasis added).

    A beast in Bible prophecy represents a political power, like a kingdom or a government. In the same way that we represent governments today with animals—the United States with an eagle, Russia with a bear, etc.—God used symbols of beasts to represent kingdoms. One particular beast is focused on above all the rest. Notice what the Bible says:

    Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”

    And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. …

    He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

    Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666 (Revelation 13:1–8, 15–18).

    From these verses, we find God-given clues that help to determine what this beast is.

    Ten Characteristics of the Beast
    There are 10 characteristics of this beast that can be found in these passages. Carefully studying each one will help determine the identity of the beast.

    This beast rises up out of the sea (v. 1).

    This beast receives its power, throne, and authority from the dragon (v. 2).

    This beast is guilty of blasphemy (vv. 1, 5, 6).

    This beast once ruled for 42 prophetic months (v. 5).

    This beast receives a deadly wound that heals (v. 3).

    This beast turns into a worldwide power (vv. 3, 7).

    This beast is a religious power (vv. 4, 8).

    This beast persecutes God’s people (v. 7).

    This beast has a mysterious number, 666 (v. 18).

    This beast is led by a man (v. 18).

    There is only a single power on earth that perfectly fits all 10 of these identifying marks: the papacy. Let’s carefully review each of these points one at a time.

    1. RISES FROM THE SEA
    The Bible says from where this beast comes: “I saw a beast rising up out of the sea” (v. 1). What does the sea represent in Bible prophecy? Notice: “The waters which you saw … are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues” (17:15, emphasis added). Bible prophecy tells us that water represents great multitudes of people—in other words, heavily populated areas.

    This means that the beast emerged from among established nations in a densely populated area of the world; that is, where the vast majority of people lived. The papacy arose from the multitude of peoples who had settled in Western Europe, which confirms point one.

    2. EMPOWERED BY THE DRAGON
    The beast gets its power from someone else: “The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority” (13:2). Who is the dragon? “The great dragon … [is] called the Devil and Satan” (12:9). How do we know who the dragon gave power to? Scripture tells us that the dragon orchestrated an attempt on Jesus’ life when the Son of God was just a child (vv. 3–5). And we know that it was Herod, a king in the Ancient Roman Empire, who destroyed “all the male children who were in Bethlehem and in all its districts, from two years old and under” (Matthew 2:16), in an effort to kill the Messiah, Jesus Christ. In other words, the dragon empowered the kingdom of Rome to enact this heinous deed.

    Scripture also tells us that the dragon was behind the persecution of God’s people during a certain period in history. Revelation 12:13 states, “The dragon … persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child.” In the Bible, a woman can also symbolize a church (Jeremiah 3:20; 6:2; 2 Corinthians 11:2). The church of the Child from Revelation 12—that is, Christ—would naturally be the Christian church. Now, this persecution went on “for a time and times and half a time” (Revelation 12:14) and is infamously known in history as the Dark Ages, a time when the Roman Catholic Church slaughtered millions for their Christian faith. Out of this age of terror was born the Protestant Reformation. (For a detailed explanation of this time prophecy, see Point Four.)

    Note that the dragon has been working through the Roman Empire throughout history, when it was an ancient pagan nation and also after it evolved into a religious power. One historian put it this way: “The Roman church … pushed itself into the place of the Roman World-Empire, of which it is the actual continuation. … The Pope, who calls himself ‘King’ and ‘Pontifex Maximus,’ is Caesar’s successor.”[1]

    As we can see, the dragon has worked through Rome multiple times, in both its pagan and its papal incarnations. Clearly, point two also fits the papacy.

    3. SPEAKS BLASPHEMY
    We learn more about this beast by what comes from its mouth: “He was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies. … Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven” (Revelation 13:5, 6).

    Blasphemy, according to Scripture, is when a human claims to forgive sins (Luke 5:21) and also claims to be God (John 10:33). Here’s how the Catholic catechism describes the work of the priest: “Does the Priest truly forgive the sins, or does he only declare that they are remitted? The Priest does really and truly forgive the sins in virtue of the power given to him by Christ.”[2]

    Furthermore, the papacy claims that the pope is equal with God. Pope Leo XIII said, “We [the popes] hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.”[3] Here is another startling statement describing the pope: “Thou … art another God on earth.”[4] We can see that point three matches the papacy as well.

    4. RULED 42 MONTHS
    The Bible tells us how long this first beast would rule uncontested: “And he was given authority to continue for forty-two months” (Revelation 13:5). This prophecy is also referred to in other places in Scripture as 1,260 days (11:3; 12:6). Here are two important facts to note about time prophecies in the Bible: One, they are calculated using the 30-day Jewish calendar. Two, we know from Ezekiel 4:6 that a prophetic day in Scripture equals one literal year. So, these 1,260 prophetic days are actually 1,260 literal years.

    Historians indicate that papal Rome became an official worldwide power in ad 538, when the papacy defeated its only remaining opposing power, the Ostrogoths, and was able to enact a decree made five years earlier in ad 533 by the Emperor Justinian, thereby legally making the pope the supreme ruler of all churches. Then, in 1798, the authority of the papacy was forcibly removed when Louis-Alexandre Berthier, Napoleon’s general, took the pope captive. The time period between ad 538 and 1798 is exactly 1,260 years, thus proving that point four fits the papacy.

    5. DEADLY WOUND HEALED
    The Bible indicates that something happened to the beast after the 42 prophetic months: “And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed” (Revelation 13:3, emphasis added). After the pope’s captivity in 1798, he died in France. Nearly half of Europe believed this was the end of the papacy.[5] But in contrast, the Bible predicted that the influence and power of the papacy would be restored.

    Most people readily acknowledge that today the papacy is one of the most influential powers on earth and that the pope’s influence is only growing—just as the prophecy predicted. Millions look to the papacy for spiritual direction, world unity, peace, and hope. One Vatican insider, Malachi Martin, shared that Pope John Paul II was “the most visible and well-known human being of the twentieth century[,] …. [had] established personal relationships with the governmental leaders in all 91 countries[,] …. [and was] the world’s first fully fledged geopolitical leader.”[6] In just several decades since the publication of Martin’s tell-all, the pope’s influence has multiplied. For instance, in 2020 alone, Pope Francis launched the Council for Inclusive Capitalism with the Vatican, involving Fortune 500 companies, and has played a vital role in the United Nations’s climate plans. Point five matches the papacy.

    6. WORLDWIDE POWER
    This beast has global influence: “Authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation” (Revelation 13:7, emphasis added). There is no question that during the Dark Ages, the papacy dominated the world scene. And as we have just learned, even after receiving its deadly wound, the papacy has been steadily climbing to the height of its previous power. Truly, in recent years, it seems more plausible that one day soon, “all the world [will marvel] and [follow] the beast” (v. 3). Additionally, did you know that the word “catholic” actually means “universal”? Point six certainly fits the papacy.

    7. A RELIGIOUS POWER
    Revelation also tells us that this beast is a religious power. In fact, five times in Revelation 13, the word “worship” is associated with this beast, clearly showing that this power is intimately involved in spiritual matters (vv. 4, 8, 12, 15). There is no doubt that the papacy aligns with point seven.

    8. MAKES WAR WITH THE SAINTS
    What is the relationship of the beast to God’s people? “It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them” (v. 7). History plainly shows that the papacy persecuted and destroyed conscientious Christians, who it labeled as heretics. One of the most well-known of these time periods, the Dark Ages, you were already introduced to in Points Two and Four. Many historians indicate that more than 50 million Christians died during that time. Even though the pope has asked that the Catholic Church be forgiven for these killings, it still remains true that it massacred millions. So, we can know that Point eight also fits the papacy.

    9/10. A MAN AND A NUMBER
    The Bible also identifies the beast with a mysterious number of a man: “Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666” (v. 18). One of the unique facets about the Roman Empire is that its numeric system was comprised of the same elements as its alphabet; in other words, several of its letters were also numbers. In fact, we still use this system of Roman numerals today.

    But who is the man, and what is his number? The man we think about when we think of the papacy is naturally the pope. One of the official titles of the pope is Vicarius Filii Dei, Latin for “Vicar of the Son of God.” Adding up the Roman numeral values of this papal title equal 666, exactly the sum identified in Revelation. And so, it is without a doubt that both points nine and ten apply to the pope.

    This means that all ten characteristics found in Revelation 13:1–8, 15–18 fit the papacy.

    A Final Word
    We must add one more point. There are many sincere and godly Roman Catholics counted by God as His children. So also, there have been many courageous and kindly popes who have loved God. This article in no way is an attack on our Catholic friends. In reality, it is simultaneously a defense for the veracity of the Bible and a strike against Satan, who is bent on tearing down that defense.

    Thank God for revealing the devil’s evil plans to us in Scripture. The Bible’s prophecies have never been wrong; there is a beast who has been and is currently working with the dragon to destroy the people of God. This concerns all those who are genuinely seeking to follow the true God of the Bible, including those within the Catholic Church.

    Will you follow Jesus wherever He leads?

    [1] Adolph Harnack, What Is Christianity? Lectures Delivered in the University of Berlin during the Winter-Term 1899–1900, trans. Thomas Bailey Saunders, rev. ed. (New York: G. P. Putnam’s Sons, 1902), 270.

    [2] Joseph Deharbe, A Complete Catechism of the Catholic Religion, trans. John Fander (New York: Schwartz, Kirwin & Fauss, 1912), 279.

    [3] The Great Encyclical Letters of Pope Leo XIII, Encyclical Letter (New York: Benziger Brothers, 1903), 304.

    [4] Philippe Labbe and Gabriel Cossart, eds., Sacrosancta Concilia Ad Regiam Editionem Exacta Quae Olim Quarta Parte Prodit Auctior [History of the Councils], vol. XIX, col. 761 (Venice: 1732), quoted in Alexander Hislop, The Light of Prophecy Let in on the Dark Places of the Papacy (Edinburgh: William Whyte and Co., 1846), 91.

    [5] Joseph Rickaby, “The Modern Papacy,” in Lectures on the History of Religions, vol. 3 (London: Catholic Truth Society, 1910), 1.

    [6] Malachi Martin, The Keys of This Blood: The Struggle for World Dominion between Pope John Paul II, Mikhail Gorbachev, and the Capitalist West (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1990), 123, 143, 490.

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    #872360
    GeneBalthrop
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    Berean……The beast that was and is not, and shall ascend (out of the bottomless pit)  is Satan,  where he was still bound, at the time John wrote that prophesy, John had been spiritually transported to the end of the sixth kingdom period of Jesus Christ and the Saint’s in fact right at the end of it,  when Satan “the beast” will be released back on this earth again.   Rev 17 , and Daniel 2 give the timeline and time dates the time period.

    The pope is not the beast. Satan  himself is.

    peace and love to you and yours………..gene

    #872361
    GeneBalthrop
    Participant

    PROCLAIMER……Antichrist’s definition is given by John himself ,  ‘he  who does not believe Jesus came in the flesh.”    That is what John meant by Antichrist,  not anything else.  We need to ask ourselves why did John tie the idea of his flesh existence being denied as meaning “Antichrists” ,  what was going on in the church in his day  that caused  him to say that.

    Answer,  the teachings of the Gnostic’s  ,  read what there teaching were and you have your answer.  

    They did not believe Jesus truly came into his only existence just as we do, they believe he preexisted as a God and came from the plora of the God’s.  They believed he was disguised as a human being but was truly not really one of us.   Now ask yourself how do you think and you will know if you are a ‘Antichrist’ also.

    peace and love to you and yours……….gene

    #872363
    Berean
    Participant

    Gene

    The pope is not the beast. Satan  himself is. 

    You are not connecter Gene, Bible Say That in

    Revelation 12

    • And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him

    Revelation 13

    [2]And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:

    and the dragon (Satan through pagan Rome)gave him (To the beast:papal Rome)his power, and his seat, and great authority.
    [3] And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

    #872380
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    PROCLAIMER……Antichrist’s definition is given by John himself ,  ‘he  who does not believe Jesus came in the flesh.”    That is what John meant by Antichrist,  not anything else.

    That is one sign or fruit. Clearly there are others.

    Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.

    #872381
    Proclaimer
    Participant

    The dragon  gave him his power and seat. The Beast is the political power empowered by Satan.

    Satan is not the Beast. Satan is the dragon.

    And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

    Gene is confused again.

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