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Nick……….GOD came to us , we did not go to him, He conciliates us to Him while we were yet sinners, By not holding our sins against us through the Blood of His sacrificed Lamb, Jesus. What Chosenone said is right. IMO
Quote (chosenone @ Dec. 28 2009,12:25) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 26 2009,17:30) Hi CO,
God has not reconciled mankind.
That is why too we are given the task of reconciliation.[2 cor 5.18]
NH.
Have you not read this post, that is exactly what it says. But what it doesn't say is that “we are given the task of reconciliation”, like your post says!.Blessings.
Thanks Gene, much appreciated.
Nick seems to make up so much of his opinion that is non-scriptural, such as this one, is why he never answers when challenged.Blessings.
Hi CO,
Of course there is no magic salvation for all.
The work is done and the table laid and now the call goes out.Come.
Most have other priorities than to accept the reconciliation offered by God today.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 31 2009,13:51) Hi CO,
But you have ascribed the teachings for the saved to the unsaved?Seek first the kingdom….
NH.
Of course you have no scripture that means what you say, but that's normal for you.
You probably got this from your same bible that says “the one eternal gospel for All”.hi choseone
Ps 17:6 I call on you, O God, for you will answer me;
give ear to me and hear my prayer.
Ps 17:7 Show the wonder of your great love,
you who save by your right hand
those who take refuge in you from their foesright hand his Christ in this verse
Luke 18:18-27(NIV) reads:
Quote A certain ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. 20You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.'”
“All these I have kept since I was a boy,” he said.
When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was a man of great wealth. Jesus looked at him and said, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
Those who heard this asked, “Who then can be saved?”
Jesus replied, “What is impossible with men is possible with God.”
Is Jesus teaching that salvation is by grace, faith, works, or a all three.
hi kerwin
yes all three,but works is from the living faith not to observe the faith but by practice it and it is by grace because we do not deserve it.
because of our sins,but if we stop sinnig and walk in the faith by producing the fruits of it ,grace is obtain as a gift for our faith.and the reply “what is impossible with men is possible with God”
Mal 3:16 Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.
Mal 3:17 And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.
Mal 3:18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 31 2009,09:58) hi kerwin
yes all three,but works is from the living faith not to observe the faith but by practice it and it is by grace because we do not deserve it.
because of our sins,but if we stop sinnig and walk in the faith by producing the fruits of it ,grace is obtain as a gift for our faith.and the reply “what is impossible with men is possible with God”
Mal 3:16 Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.
Mal 3:17 And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.
Mal 3:18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.
Sounds right!Quote (kerwin @ Dec. 31 2009,14:43) Luke 18:18-27(NIV) reads: Quote A certain ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. 20You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.'”
“All these I have kept since I was a boy,” he said.
When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was a man of great wealth. Jesus looked at him and said, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
Those who heard this asked, “Who then can be saved?”
Jesus replied, “What is impossible with men is possible with God.”
Is Jesus teaching that salvation is by grace, faith, works, or a all three.
Hi kerwin.
Jesus is teaching salvation by “works”. Remember, Jesus was commissioned to the 'lost sheep of the house of Israel', and them only (Matt.15:24), still under the”Old Covenant” that God had made with His “Chosen people”. They were under the “law”, given to Moses by God, the 'Ten Commandments', and see the book of Leviticus of the whole list of Laws. He (Jesus) was their prophesied Messiah, He fulfilled the Law, He kept it perfectly, which mankind could not do. He was murdered by those He came to save.
We ,the nations, were apart from God then: Eph.2:11-12 …11 Wherefore, remember that once you, the nations in flesh — who are termed 'Uncircumcision' by those termed 'Circumcision,' in flesh, made by hands —
12 that you were, in that era, apart from Christ, being alienated from the citizenship of Israel, and guests of the promise covenants, having no expectation, and without God in the world.
Since Israel rejected God and His saviour He turned away from them, and to the 'nations'. (Acts.13:46) …46 Being bold, both Paul and Barnabas, say, “To you first was it necessary that the word of God be spoken. Yet, since, in fact, you are thrusting it away, and are judging yourselves not worthy of eonian life, lo! we are turning to the nations.Blessings, Jerry.
Hi CO,
Yes the audience of saved gentiles were originally alienated.
How did you get them confused with the unsaved again?NH.
Your understanding of scripture has much to be desired… Try using scripture to explain your perverted postings, it may make more sense.Chooseone,
I believe you should read that passage again because Jesus teaches about grace, works, and faith in that passage. It may confuse you that he expect the certain ruler to know about both faith and grace and so only mentions them to his other students at the end of the passage and then not directly. That is a fairly common practice of Jesus in his teachings.
Salvation has always been by faith as it is written in the Old Testament that “The Righteous will live by faith” but if you have no fruit, which is to say works, then you faith is wanting.
I did not mention grace because I assume anyone who is seeking God will realize that God works through one's faith.
kerwin.
You sum up in your answer that …”God works through one's faith”. I have to disagree with you on that statement. Scripture clearly states that “All is of God” (1Cor.8:5-7, 1Cor.11:12, 2Cor.5:18, Ro..11:36) “He” (God) doesn't depend on 'our' faith to work though, again, scripture says that “His achievement are we (Eph.2:10). This scripture sums it all up: Phil.2:13 … for it is God Who is operating in you to will as well as to work for the sake of His delight.
Mankind can do nothing by His own will, All is of God. Eph.1:11 … in Him in Whom our lot was cast also, being designated beforehand according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will.
If our will is opposed by His (God) will, who's will will be done?Blessings, Jerry.
Hi again kerwin.
I forgot to add this.
I enjoy your posts, but if you don't mind, would you please quote scripture when making your point?Thanks again, Jerry.
hi chosenone
you ask kerwin to quote scriptures to back up is statements ,but you quote half and less scriptures
to twist the meaning of it.kerwin.
You sum up in your answer that …”God works through one's faith”. I have to disagree with you on that statement. Scripture clearly states that “All is of God” (1Cor.8:5-7, 1Cor.11:12, 2Cor.5:18, Ro..11:36) “He” (God) doesn't depend on 'our' faith to work though, again, scripture says that “His achievement are we (Eph.2:10). This scripture sums it all up: Phil.2:13 … for it is God Who is operating in you to will as well as to work for the sake of His delight.
Mankind can do nothing by His own will, All is of God. Eph.1:11 … in Him in Whom our lot was cast also, being designated beforehand according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will.
If our will is opposed by His (God) will, who's will will be done?Blessings, Jerry.
and Jesus said if you love him you would do and obey his commandment ,this means you have to chose if you want to do the will of God or not ,God nor Christ forces you to do anything what you don't want.so the works of the faith are the prove you have a faith,read James,otherwise you have nothing.
Chooseone,
I often assume my hearer understands certain truths about God. One of those truths is that all good things, even our faith, come from God because God created each of us. Though that is true I am not sure of what practical effect it has since it does not mean we are puppets under the absolute control of God as we still must choose to believe even though God constructed us to make that choice.
You should consider Jesus words to a man he healed.
Luke 18:42(NIV) reads:
Quote Jesus said to him, “Receive your sight; your faith has healed you.”
If you read the whole account then you will find that God worked though the man’s faith on the behest of Jesus.. We have this and other examples provided in scripture that we may also believe and God work through that faith. It is true that God created the man in question to believe but the man also had to choose to believe. If the man had chosen unbelief then that would be what God created him to do but he also would not have been healed.
In this example you also see “works” that are the result of God’s grace as the man was healed. You saw his faith working in how he acted which is another type of “works“.
But if the man attempted to be healed by human effort, another type of works, then his efforts would have fruitless.
Hi terraricca.
You said, “and Jesus said if you love him you would do and obey his commandment ,this means you have to chose if you want to do the will of God or not”.We have to remember that Jesus' teaching was to Israel, Matt.15:24 … Now He, answering, said, “I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” also in Ro.15:8 …
For I am saying that Christ has become the Servant of the Circumcision, for the sake of the truth of God, to confirm the patriarchal promises.You must realise that His (Jesus) message was to Israel, and to them only, while still under the'Old Covenant” and the “Law”. Their (Israel) salvation was base on obeying the “law”. We are now under the “Covenant of Grace”, not under any Law. Many still confuse the teachings of Jesus to Israel, in the four Gospels, as for the gentiles (nations) today.
This is what Paul states that we must “correctly cut the word of truth”. (2Tim.2:15)
God Bless, Jerry.
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