Is Jesus still a man in heaven?

[mikeboll64]

Kerwin,

Spirit is not a human being.  And “human being” is what is generally meant by “man”.

A human being/man is not a spirit, and a spirit is not a human being/man.

I believe “the last Adam” refers to Jesus Christ.  And I believe 15:45 is telling us that, after dying and being raised, Jesus ascended into the Kingdom of God as a life-giving spirit being.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW
You say
“There is no other Son;”

Are there no angelic sons?
Are you not yet an adopted son?

[NickHassan]

Quote (kerwin @ April 12 2012,13:34)

Quote (kerwin @ April 12 2012,08:32) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 12 2012,08:23) Hi KW, No He is a living soul BY the breath of God Gen2 Nick, When the soul returned to his body the boy was given life and became a living soul. Nick, The inner man is not made from dust.

Hi KW
True.
The BODY is of dust and the inner man is soul enlivened by the human spirit.

What BOY are you speaking of?

[NickHassan]

Quote (kerwin @ April 12 2012,13:29)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 12 2012,08:13) Hi KW, Jesus Christ is the first and last, First as he is the first of the new creation. Last because all who are saved are saved in him Nick, Jesus is the first and last in the series of natural sons of God; as even the angels of God go to God through him. There is no other Son; just as there is no other God. Isaiah 48:12 King James Version (KJV) 12Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last. You are correct that he is also the Pioneer and Finisher of the true faith.

Hi KW,.
First and last of the NATURAL sons??

[kerwin]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 12 2012,08:34)

Kerwin, Spirit is not a human being.  And “human being” is what is generally meant by “man”. A human being/man is not a spirit, and a spirit is not a human being/man. I believe “the last Adam” refers to Jesus Christ.  And I believe 15:45 is telling us that, after dying and being raised, Jesus ascended into the Kingdom of God as a life-giving spirit being.

Mike,

Scripture states the inner man is human(anthrópos); as you can see by the words of Ephesians 3:16.

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 12 2012,08:44)

Quote (kerwin @ April 12 2012,13:34) Quote (kerwin @ April 12 2012,08:32) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 12 2012,08:23) Hi KW, No He is a living soul BY the breath of God Gen2 Nick, When the soul returned to his body the boy was given life and became a living soul. Nick, The inner man is not made from dust. Hi KW True. The BODY is of dust and the inner man is soul enlivened by the human spirit. What BOY are you speaking of?

Nick,

The boy is the Shulamite's son that God raised to life by the hands of Elijah.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
Certainly the Spirit teaches and empowers the inner man[Eph 3.16]

[NickHassan]

Quote (kerwin @ April 12 2012,13:51)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 12 2012,08:44) Quote (kerwin @ April 12 2012,13:34) Quote (kerwin @ April 12 2012,08:32) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 12 2012,08:23) Hi KW, No He is a living soul BY the breath of God Gen2 Nick, When the soul returned to his body the boy was given life and became a living soul. Nick, The inner man is not made from dust. Hi KW True. The BODY is of dust and the inner man is soul enlivened by the human spirit. What BOY are you speaking of? Nick, The boy is the Shulamite's son that God raised to life by the hands of Elijah.

Hi KW
1 Kings 17
” 21And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again.

22And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.”

Where did your version come from??

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
Compare also the raising of the maid in Lk 8 and the raising of Tabitha in Acts 8

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 12 2012,08:45)

Quote (kerwin @ April 12 2012,13:29) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 12 2012,08:13) Hi KW, Jesus Christ is the first and last, First as he is the first of the new creation. Last because all who are saved are saved in him Nick, Jesus is the first and last in the series of natural sons of God; as even the angels of God go to God through him. There is no other Son; just as there is no other God. Isaiah 48:12 King James Version (KJV) 12Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last. You are correct that he is also the Pioneer and Finisher of the true faith. Hi KW,. First and last of the NATURAL sons??

Nick,

Natural as opposed to adopted as it is through him all others come to God; even the angels.

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 12 2012,09:13)

Hi KW, Compare also the raising of the maid in Lk 8 and the raising of Tabitha in Acts 8

Nick,

I am not sure why you directed me to Tabitha's resurrection in Acts 9 but the maid's resurrection in Luke 8 mentions her spirit returning instead of her soul.

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 12 2012,08:55)

Quote (kerwin @ April 12 2012,13:51) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 12 2012,08:44) Quote (kerwin @ April 12 2012,13:34) Quote (kerwin @ April 12 2012,08:32) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 12 2012,08:23) Hi KW, No He is a living soul BY the breath of God Gen2 Nick, When the soul returned to his body the boy was given life and became a living soul. Nick, The inner man is not made from dust. Hi KW True. The BODY is of dust and the inner man is soul enlivened by the human spirit. What BOY are you speaking of? Nick, The boy is the Shulamite's son that God raised to life by the hands of Elijah. Hi KW 1 Kings 17 ” 21And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again. 22And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.”   Where did your version come from??

Nick,

The one you have quoted seems sufficient to the needs. Are you disagreeing with something I wrote?

[NickHassan]

Quote (kerwin @ April 12 2012,14:25)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 12 2012,09:13) Hi KW, Compare also the raising of the maid in Lk 8 and the raising of Tabitha in Acts 8 Nick, I am not sure why you directed me to Tabitha's resurrection in Acts 9 but the maid's resurrection in Luke 8 mentions her spirit returning instead of her soul.

Hi KW,
Yes soul and spirit are used interchangeably at times.
When someone dies I would think both leave.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
Likewise when raised both would seemingly return.

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 12 2012,14:58)

Hi KW, Likewise when raised both would seemingly return.

Nick,

The spirit acts as a guide to the soul while the body houses both.

Jesus has both an inner human and an outer human or he would not be human.  When he died the outer human was laid in the tomb and the inner human composed of both soul and spirit departed.    When he was resurrected the inner human returned to the resurrected outer human.  When he was ascending both his inner and outer human were there.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
The Holy Spirit certainly does guide.

The spirit of Jesus departed while he was on the cross.[Jn19]

He was then only alive as his soul by the abiding Holy Spirit.

His living soul returned to his body which had not degenerated and he was raised fulfilling the sign of Jonah.

He was taken up out of the sight of men in that old body.

Now we in our new bodies will be as he is when he returns.

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 13 2012,02:30)

Hi KW, The Holy Spirit certainly does guide. The spirit of Jesus departed while he was on the cross.[Jn19] He was then only alive as his soul by the abiding Holy Spirit. His living soul returned to his body which had not degenerated and he was raised fulfilling the sign of Jonah. He was taken up out of the sight of men in that old body. Now we in our new bodies will be as he is when he returns.

Nick,

I was striving to point out that Jesus is both an inner and outer human in answer to the question of the post.  In order for Jesus not to be a human in heaven both his outer and inner parts would have to stop being human.  There is no where in Scripture that supports that.

This last is off topic but I am addressing it here as you brought it up.

Some experts, such as Craig Blomberg , state “flesh and blood” was a common idiom for mortal.  

Here is my source.

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
You say
“In order for Jesus not to be a human in heaven both his outer and inner parts would have to stop being human. “

Where is this written?

[NickHassan]

Hi KW,
His spirit has left, his old body gone but
his soul is from Adam.

[kerwin]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 13 2012,03:16)

Hi KW, You say “In order for Jesus not to be a human in heaven both his outer and inner parts would have to stop being human. “ Where is this written?

Nick,

I am claiming that there is nowhere it is written that both the inner and outer parts of Jesus stopped being human.

If the parts are human then then the whole is human. If the parts are not human then the whole is not human.

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