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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2012,23:15) Hi MB,
You say you know what it means but on what basis?
Nick,Is God a Spirit…………OR…………a human being?
Are angels spirits………….OR………..human beings?
Are you a spirit……………OR……….a human being?
If Jesus BECAME a spirit, as scripture says he did, then he is no longer a human being.
Hi MB,
The man Jesus Christ is in heaven now.
Jesus CHRIST did come from heaven.
But the Nazarene is from BethlehemHi Mike.
The thread comment has raised an interesting point:
Is Jesus a Man in Heaven?
Well, it is said that he is a Spirit and therefore not a Man.
But he is referred to as 'A Man'.
How can this be?
Well, Perhaps he is a SPIRIT in Spirit Realm – but – when he comes into the physical realm he becomes a Man?
Now what is the difference between a Man and a Spirit?
Yes…a BODY…!!!
Jesus materialises his glorious imperishable body with his Spirit in it and becomes a Man.
No, Mikeboll, the body is not 'destroyed' but dematerialised when he enters Heaven so he becomes a Spirit again. This is the same way he is able to enter a locked room. The Spiritual Body can be materialised anywhere it's owner desires through the power of the Holy Spirit.
Consider that the body of someone who is cremated will be restored (not a NEW BODY) in a Glorious imperishable incorruptible state – from what? The ashes were scattered to the four winds so how is the body restored by the SPIRIT?
Quote (toby @ April 09 2012,18:32) But he is referred to as 'A Man'.
He is never referred to as being a human being after he ascended. Read the OP of the thread.Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 10 2012,05:13) Kerwin, You are correct that 15:47 does use “anthropos”……… I misspoke.
The text says the first man was from the earth, earthy; the second man was from heaven.
You are also correct that it can't be used to support your theory that Jesus is still a human being in heaven………….. BUT………. it can be used to support that the second man came down FROM heaven – just like he said he did in John 6:38, 41, and 51.
Mike,1 Corinthians 2
King James Version (KJV)11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
In this translation the spirit of a man is called a man though the Ancient Greek is often translated to who instead. Why is the spirit of a man called a “who” and the Spirit of God “one”?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2012,20:43) Hi,
Jesus Christ is still a man because he is a living soul.
His soul is human from his mother.
N
God does not need human flesh ,she was a surrogate mother and God give her back to her husband or was she
wen God use a prophet the prophet does not become any thing else than a prophet a simple carrier of God's words,BUT HE DOES NOT BECOME GOD,
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 10 2012,10:21) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2012,23:15) Hi MB,
You say you know what it means but on what basis?
Nick,Is God a Spirit…………OR…………a human being?
Are angels spirits………….OR………..human beings?
Are you a spirit……………OR……….a human being?
If Jesus BECAME a spirit, as scripture says he did, then he is no longer a human being.
HI MB,
Your final statement is often based on logic not scriptural truth.
When are you going to become a man of the book?Quote (terraricca @ April 10 2012,09:49) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2012,20:43) Hi,
Jesus Christ is still a man because he is a living soul.
His soul is human from his mother.
N God does not need human flesh ,she was a surrogate mother and God give her back to her husband or was she
wen God use a prophet the prophet does not become any thing else than a prophet a simple carrier of God's words,BUT HE DOES NOT BECOME GOD,
Pierre,It is written:
Luke 1:31
King James Version (KJV)31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
What does the word conceive mean to you?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2012,09:53) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 10 2012,10:21) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2012,23:15) Hi MB,
You say you know what it means but on what basis?
Nick,Is God a Spirit…………OR…………a human being?
Are angels spirits………….OR………..human beings?
Are you a spirit……………OR……….a human being?
If Jesus BECAME a spirit, as scripture says he did, then he is no longer a human being.
HI MB,
Your final statement is often based on logic not scriptural truth.
When are you going to become a man of the book?
Nick,It is not based on valid logical reason as the conclusion does not follow from the premises. It is also unsound reasoning as the premise “as scripture says” is not true.
Quote (kerwin @ April 10 2012,22:28) Quote (terraricca @ April 10 2012,09:49) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2012,20:43) Hi,
Jesus Christ is still a man because he is a living soul.
His soul is human from his mother.
N God does not need human flesh ,she was a surrogate mother and God give her back to her husband or was she
wen God use a prophet the prophet does not become any thing else than a prophet a simple carrier of God's words,BUT HE DOES NOT BECOME GOD,
Pierre,It is written:
Luke 1:31
King James Version (KJV)31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
What does the word conceive mean to you?
kWould try to say to me that a surrogate mother does not conceived
Quote (terraricca @ April 10 2012,11:34) Quote (kerwin @ April 10 2012,22:28) Quote (terraricca @ April 10 2012,09:49) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2012,20:43) Hi,
Jesus Christ is still a man because he is a living soul.
His soul is human from his mother.
N God does not need human flesh ,she was a surrogate mother and God give her back to her husband or was she
wen God use a prophet the prophet does not become any thing else than a prophet a simple carrier of God's words,BUT HE DOES NOT BECOME GOD,
Pierre,It is written:
Luke 1:31
King James Version (KJV)31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
What does the word conceive mean to you?
kWould try to say to me that a surrogate mother does not conceived
Pierre,It is as you say unless it is via artificial insemination because a child is implanted in the woman's womb. The child is conceived outside of the womb.
Quote (kerwin @ April 09 2012,19:24) In this translation the spirit of a man is called a man…………..
No it's not. It's saying that the only “one” who knows the inner thoughts of any particular man is the spirit of that man himself. It is saying that no man truly knows any OTHER man – only that man's spirit knows who he truly is.Nor does any verse in John 6 say “the spirit of Jesus” came down from heaven. What it teaches is that Jesus from Nazareth, whose father was a carpenter, and whose brothers and sisters they knew, was telling them that HE came down from heaven.
You and Nick feel free to ADD the words “spirit inside of me” if you think you know better than our Lord himself. As for me, I'll stick with exactly what Jesus said.
Quote (kerwin @ April 09 2012,23:07) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2012,09:53) Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 10 2012,10:21) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2012,23:15) Hi MB,
You say you know what it means but on what basis?
Nick,Is God a Spirit…………OR…………a human being?
Are angels spirits………….OR………..human beings?
Are you a spirit……………OR……….a human being?
If Jesus BECAME a spirit, as scripture says he did, then he is no longer a human being.
HI MB,
Your final statement is often based on logic not scriptural truth.
When are you going to become a man of the book?
Nick,It is not based on valid logical reason as the conclusion does not follow from the premises. It is also unsound reasoning as the premise “as scripture says” is not true.
1 Corinthians 15:45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.Is that scriptural enough for you guys?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 11 2012,18:01) Hi MB,
The life of the Spirit is in the Son.[1Jn5]
We can now know the Son as the Spirit.
nyou still do not understand why Christ is a live given spirit
??Quote (kerwin @ April 11 2012,15:25) Quote (terraricca @ April 10 2012,11:34) Quote (kerwin @ April 10 2012,22:28) Quote (terraricca @ April 10 2012,09:49) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2012,20:43) Hi,
Jesus Christ is still a man because he is a living soul.
His soul is human from his mother.
N God does not need human flesh ,she was a surrogate mother and God give her back to her husband or was she
wen God use a prophet the prophet does not become any thing else than a prophet a simple carrier of God's words,BUT HE DOES NOT BECOME GOD,
Pierre,It is written:
Luke 1:31
King James Version (KJV)31And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
What does the word conceive mean to you?
kWould try to say to me that a surrogate mother does not conceived
Pierre,It is as you say unless it is via artificial insemination because a child is implanted in the woman's womb. The child is conceived outside of the womb.
Kwho is the father of Christ ,?
? if it is God then God does not need more of women than to give flesh to his Son ,THE WORD OF GOD,he was already a being ,just not of flesh,Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 10 2012,18:53) Hi T,
Do you not have the Spirit of Christ?
That Spirit is among us while he is in heaven.
It is among SOME OF US, anyway. But I doubt the spirit of Christ is leading anyone to spout doctrines that contradict clear scriptures.Perhaps those people have a different kind of spirit among them?
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