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Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2012,18:30) Hi T,
Is Jesus not the man from heaven?1Cor15
Jesus was born a man and he is still a living soul.
It is just that he now lives by the Spirit of eternal Life.
Rom 8.2
Ncould you read what you say in your previous comment
Quote Yes Jesus Christ is still a man. and now you say this ;
Quote Is Jesus not the man from heaven? do you know the truth
you are much lost in your religion doctrinesQuote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2012,19:15) Hi T,
Language causes you to get confused.
Yes he is the man from heaven
NChrist his no longer a man, the man like purpose has done his work ,
So if his human body is no more, and his human spirit is no more, then what part of Jesus makes him still be a “human being”, Nick?
If he mediates BETWEEN men and God, then he is neither man nor God.
And the fact that Jesus is the man FROM heaven doesn't say that Jesus is STILL a man IN heaven, does it? But it does go a long way in showing that Jesus is the man who CAME FROM heaven, doesn't it?
Hmmmmmm………..just like he said he did. 
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2012,21:08) Hi T,
Hi body is changed and his hunan spirit has returned to God but he has the soul of a man.
Nwhat you have to understand is that his experience as a human will remain with him forever ,because like our experiences are stay with us ,but we did not preexisted like Christ his ,and what you do not believe ,because you like to change the scriptures,to your religion fantasy ,
Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 09 2012,03:45) So if his human body is no more, and his human spirit is no more, then what part of Jesus makes him still be a “human being”, Nick? If he mediates BETWEEN men and God, then he is neither man nor God.
And the fact that Jesus is the man FROM heaven doesn't say that Jesus is STILL a man IN heaven, does it? But it does go a long way in showing that Jesus is the man who CAME FROM heaven, doesn't it?
Hmmmmmm………..just like he said he did.
Hi MB,
He is a LIVING human soul-the second Adam is now ALIVE by the LIVING SPIRIT from heaven.He is a mediator because he is OF MAN and WITH GOD.
Hi MB,
You say
“If he mediates BETWEEN men and God, then he is neither man nor God.”Note that 1tim 2.5 says the mediator is the MAN, Jesus Christ.
To all,
Revelation 5:3
King James Version (KJV)3And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
1 Corinthians 15:47
King James Version (KJV)47The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
Quote (kerwin @ April 09 2012,14:57) To all, Revelation 5:3
King James Version (KJV)3And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
1 Corinthians 15:47
King James Version (KJV)47The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
Kare you now saying that THE WORD OF GOD HIS CHRIST ??
OR you do not understand those scriptures you are quoting
witch is it
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 09 2012,13:44) Hi MB, You say
“If he mediates BETWEEN men and God, then he is neither man nor God.”Note that 1tim 2.5 says the mediator is the MAN, Jesus Christ.
Nyou are not in scriptures your believes are definitively not in scriptures ,they are some of it found in scriptures ,that is the difference between the pure in hearts and the not so pure
and now one of the pure heart people would call Christ ,God almighty what his , his father ,so you are wrong again.
NOW;
1Ti 2:3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1Ti 2:6 who gave himself as a ransom for all men—the testimony given in its proper time.
1Ti 2:7 And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle—I am telling the truth, I am not lying—and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.
Col 1:19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
Col 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.
Col 1:21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior.this is what Paul talks about ,but you do not want to listen to Paul neither don't you, YOU HAVE MADE YOUR OWN TRUTH AND SO PREACH THE DEVIL GOSPEL OF DECEIT ,
know this if you do not preach the truth of God what is it then you preach
if not the devilQuote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2012,13:44) Hi MB, You say
“If he mediates BETWEEN men and God, then he is neither man nor God.”Note that 1tim 2.5 says the mediator is the MAN, Jesus Christ.
Read my opening post, Nick. Or just read 1 Tim 2:5 in context. It teaches that the MAN who died for us is now the mediator between God and mankind.Jesus was indeed a man when he died for us. But he became a life-giving spirit. A spirit is not a human being.
And Kerwin, neither of those verses you quoted use the word “anthropos”, the Greek word for “human being”. Read the OP of this thread, as I have discussed other words that are sometimes translated as “man”, but have to do with sexual orientation instead of humanity.
Hi MB,
You speak of context
1 Timothy 2
King James Version (KJV)1 Timothy 2
1I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;2For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
6Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. “
But you say
“Read my opening post, Nick. Or just read 1 Tim 2:5 in context. It teaches that the MAN who died for us is now the mediator between God and mankind.Jesus was indeed a man when he died for us. But he became a life-giving spirit. A spirit is not a man.”
Which should we believe?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2012,18:27) 5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. “
Now try it this way:For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men: the man Christ Jesus who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
The same author is the one who tells us that Jesus is now a spirit, Nick. Is a spirit a human being?
Hi MB,
Should we attempt to put scriptures in conflict to defend a dogma?“IS A SPIRIT A HUMAN BEING?”
Should we turn to weak greek logic to understand the sacred words?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 09 2012,19:06) Hi MB,
Should we attempt to put scriptures in conflict to defend a dogma?“IS A SPIRIT A HUMAN BEING?”
Should we turn to weak greek logic to understand the sacred words?
NI can see you really do NOT looking for truth of Gods words ,it seems you like men s words better
Nick,
When Paul says, “the last Adam BECAME a life-giving spirit”, doesn't it seem as if Jesus WAS something, and then BECAME something ELSE?
It means Jesus WAS a human being, but then BECAME a spirit – which is something OTHER THAN a human being.
Hi MB,
You say you know what it means but on what basis?
The man Jesus Christ is to us knowable as the Spirit and for us the source of that Spirit of life”Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 09 2012,07:47) Nick, When Paul says, “the last Adam BECAME a life-giving spirit”, doesn't it seem as if Jesus WAS something, and then BECAME something ELSE?
It means Jesus WAS a human being, but then BECAME a spirit – which is something OTHER THAN a human being.
Mike,Revelation 5:3 states “no one” which is more appropriate than “no human” as it also covers angels.
1 Corinthians 15:47 uses anthrōpos but there is no “became” and no “Lord from heaven”.
It does not support that Jesus is a human being in heaven as it speaks of Adam's spirit that gave life to his first man made of dust. You know that because Adam was made of both dust and spirit; not just dust; as the first man was.
Kerwin,
You are correct that 15:47 does use “anthropos”……… I misspoke.
The text says the first man was from the earth, earthy; the second man was from heaven.
You are also correct that it can't be used to support your theory that Jesus is still a human being in heaven………….. BUT………. it can be used to support that the second man came down FROM heaven – just like he said he did in John 6:38, 41, and 51.
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