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Guys, I knew when I started this thread that the truth of this matter is unpopular. I knew people would fall back on 1 Tim 2:5.
But the fact is that Jesus became a spirit – scripture says so. And as if that is not enough, Paul did NOT recieve his gospel from any MAN, but from Jesus Christ and God – scripture also says that.
Believe it or don't, but I don't think the ruler of the angels is of the species the scriptures say were “made them a little LOWER than the angels”.
God didn't become a Spirit, He is a Spiritual being. He was in Jesus reconciling the world to Himself.
JOHN 6:63 † It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
On the earth He was Spiritual.
JOHN 3:6 † That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Unless a person, any person be born again of the Spirit of God, you can not enter into the kingdom of heaven. You will still be a human to receive this Spirit or you will never receive it.
God Bless
MarlinQuote (Marlin1 @ Feb. 12 2012,09:55) Quote Jesus was born of the seed of his father Joseph, who was of the seed of David, who was of the seed of Abraham! Jody, You might want to recheck this,the way it sounds. Jesus was the son of, not the seed of.
Jesus, was the created cell of God, placed in Mary. He was in the line of David, because He was raised by Joseph and Mary as a son, not because He had Joseph's seed.God Bless
Marlin
Matthew 1:1 clearly links Jesus as the SEED of David through being the seed of Joseph!1 The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham: 2 Abraham begot Isaac, Isaac begot Jacob, and Jacob begot Judah and his brothers. 3 Judah begot Perez and Zerah by Tamar, Perez begot Hezron, and Hezron begot Ram. 4 Ram begot Amminadab, Amminadab begot Nahshon, and Nahshon begot Salmon. 5 Salmon begot Boaz by Rahab, Boaz begot Obed by Ruth, Obed begot Jesse, 6 and Jesse begot David the king.David the king begot Solomon by her who had been the wife of Uriah. 7 Solomon begot Rehoboam, Rehoboam begot Abijah, and Abijah begot Asa. 8 Asa begot Jehoshaphat, Jehoshaphat begot Joram, and Joram begot Uzziah. 9 Uzziah begot Jotham, Jotham begot Ahaz, and Ahaz begot Hezekiah. 10 Hezekiah begot Manasseh, Manasseh begot Amon, and Amon begot Josiah. 11 Josiah begot Jeconiah and his brothers about the time they were carried away to Babylon. 12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jeconiah begot Shealtiel, and Shealtiel begot Zerubbabel. 13 Zerubbabel begot Abiud, Abiud begot Eliakim, and Eliakim begot Azor. 14 Azor begot Zadok, Zadok begot Achim, and Achim begot Eliud. 15 Eliud begot Eleazar, Eleazar begot Matthan, and Matthan begot Jacob. 16 And Jacob begot Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus who is called Christ. 17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations, from David until the captivity in Babylon are fourteen generations, and from the captivity in Babylon until the Christ are fourteen generations. 18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit. 19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not wanting to make her a public example, was minded to put her away secretly. 20 But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. 21 And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.” 22 So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: 23 “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.” 24 Then Joseph, being aroused from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord commanded him and took to him his wife, 25 and did not know her till she had brought forth her firstborn Son. And he called His name Jesus.
Romans 1:3 concerning His Son, who was born of a descendant of David according to the flesh,
Acts 2:30 Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne,
Revelation 22:16 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”
Luke 1:31 “And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus. 32 “He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David ; 33 and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end.” 34 Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I am a virgin ?” 35 The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God. The idea of Jesus being half god half human is completely pagan.
How could Mary have a son, when she had not yet known Joseph? Because the Holy Spirit came upon her and caused her to be pregnant, just as if she had known Joseph and been conceived by him!!
Good grief people! Jesus is a MAN, not some pagan half god! The role that the Holy Spirit played in the conception of Jesus was in causing Mary to be pregnant by Joseph, even though she had yet to sleep with him.
Matthew 1 tells us directly that Jesus is genetically the son of Joseph, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham!
Jodi,
MATTHEW 1:16 † And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
Matthew only says that Jesus was born by Mary. It doesn't say she had any part of the creation of Jesus. You are told flat out the the Holy Ghost would over shadow her. No part of Mary or Joseph was in that created cell. God created His Son Jesus and that is why He is called the Son of God.
God Bless
MarlinYour right Nick, He was conceived, but not by sex and He was neither of Mary or Joseph DNA….
He was conceived by the WORD of God.Marlin
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 11 2012,17:57) The MB,
NOW the Lord is the Spirit.
But he will return in glory
Well, if NOW he is that spirit, then NOW he isn't a human being.
Mike,
Galatians 4:6 Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “ Abba! Father!”If Jesus is spirit than shouldn't Paul have said instead “God has sent forth His Son the Spirit”.
“Spirit of” implies there is something else the “spirit of” belongs to.
Wm
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 12 2012,02:12) Hi MB,
So you say.
But with what evidence?
With the evidence of Gal 1:1 and 11. With the evidence that human beings were made a little lower than the spirit beings, meaning they are not one and the same.The same evidence that tells us human beings are not fish or birds, Nick.
Quote (seekingtruth @ Feb. 11 2012,23:21) Mike,
Galatians 4:6 Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “ Abba! Father!”If Jesus is spirit than shouldn't Paul have said instead “God has sent forth His Son the Spirit”.
“Spirit of” implies there is something else the “spirit of” belongs to.
Wm
God is a spirit, Wm. Yet God has a spirit He can send without coming Himself, right?What does “spirit of God” imply? That God is something other than a spirit? If not, then why can't the same apply to Jesus- now that he is also spirit?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 12 2012,21:44) Quote (seekingtruth @ Feb. 11 2012,23:21) Mike,
Galatians 4:6 Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “ Abba! Father!”If Jesus is spirit than shouldn't Paul have said instead “God has sent forth His Son the Spirit”.
“Spirit of” implies there is something else the “spirit of” belongs to.
Wm
God is a spirit, Wm. Yet God has a spirit He can send without coming Himself, right?What does “spirit of God” imply? That God is something other than a spirit? If not, then why can't the same apply to Jesus- now that he is also spirit?
Mike,
Are you not the one who does not believe Jesus to be God? Then why would Jesus be able to do something that only God could do?Wm
Hi Wm,
Aren't both Jesus and his God able to dwell in us?
You said:
Quote “Spirit of” implies there is something else the “spirit of” belongs to.
I was just pointing out that “spirit of” in the case of God doesn't imply there is something else the spirit belongs to – so why would it automatically imply that in the case of Jesus?I would like to add this scripture to my opening post, as it is yet another scripture that teaches that Jesus is no longer a human being in heaven.
Hebrews 5:7
In the days of his flesh, Jesus offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to the one who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.This surely teaches that Jesus is no longer “in the days of his flesh”.
Hi,
Yes Jesus Christ is still a man.
God has given mere mankind some of His glory.
Perhaps to shame the angels who are naturally greater and rebelled.Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2012,16:11) Hi,
Yes Jesus Christ is still a man.
God has given mere mankind some of His glory.
Perhaps to shame the angels who are naturally greater and rebelled.
Nyeah ,religion fiction you like that right ??you do not like scriptures ,why??? your years in religion did not change your corruption in truth of God ,you still well fit with it ,
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