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The biggest “trip up” is not understanding that John Was not speaking from the time he was given the PROPHESY, but from the time the prophesy was actually starting to take place.
This is possible, but you have no proof for it to be accepted as truth.
But let’s run with it for a bit.
My question is this. If this is not the Roman Empire, then where does it mention the Roman Empire?
Now let’s stop right there , who is the one that carries the women “Bablonian”the great harlot ?, is it not the “beast” who is Satan,
What scripture are you using to say that the Beast is Satan?
Gene
What you say IS COMPLETELY UNJUST AND DON’T STAND UP
WHAT WOULD IT USE FOR US TO KNOW THESE DETAILED THINGS IN REVELATION 17 IF THEY ARE TO HAPPEN IN MORE THAN A THOUSAND …..THESE THINGS DESCRIBED IN REVELATION 17
CONCERNING THE SERVANTS OF GOD FROM THE TIME OF JOHN UNTIL CHRIST’S RETURN … THE THOUSAND YEARS WILL FOLLOW
… AND THE ENFORCEMENT OF THE JUDGMENT THEN THE NEW HEAVENS AND THE NEW EARTH.REVIEW THE BOOK OF REVELATION INTRODUCTION:
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things WHICH MUCH SHORTLY COME TO PASS; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
[2] Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.Proclaimer……Who is the one who was put in the bottomless pit? Is it Satan, the devil.
Rev 17:7…..”and the angel said unto me, wherefore did you marvel, I will tell you the mystery of the women, (Babylon the Great), and the “beast” the carries her, which has the seven heads and ten horns”.
Verse 8…… “the beast that you saw was, and is not (at the time of this prophesy taking place) and shall asend out of the bottomless pit. and go into Perdition”
Now Proclaimer, this shows it was SATAN .
Rev 20: 1-2……”and I saw an angel come down from heaven having the Key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand: and he laid hold on the dragon , that old serpent, which is “the devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
REV 20: 3……and cast him into the “bottomless pit” , and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should decieve the nations no more, till the “thousand years” should be fulfilled: and after the he “must be lossed a little season” . (3 1/2 years) .
Proclaimer that shows to me the beast is Satan the Devil, and he is the on carrying all the Bablonian kingdoms even the “FIFTH” , the one we are in right now.
At the start of the millennial reign of Jesus and the Saint’s, Satan the devil will be put into the bottomless pit for a thousand years then at the end released for a short time 3 1/2 years then go into Perdition.
Proclaimer you have to follow the time-line I gave you and it all falls into place, everything ties into it. John was transported in time to the end of the millennial reign of Jesus and the Saint’s, once you do that everything falls into place .
Peace and love to you and yours. ………..gene
Gene
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And the BEAST which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the DRAGON gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
[3] And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the BEAST
[4] And they worshipped the DRAGON which gave power unto the BEAST : and they worshipped the BEAST , saying, Who is like unto the BEAST ? who is able to make war with him?
ISN’T THE DRAGON A THING?
AND ANOTHER BEAST?Berean……..Rev 20: 2…..”And he laid hold on the “dragon”, that old serpent, which “IS”, the Devil, and “Satan”, and bound him a thousand years”.
BEREAN, we have all been lied to by false prophets over many years, most everything, all this stuff we are hearing takes place at the END of the millennial reign of Jesus and the Saint’s. Not Before Jesus returns, but just before God the Fathers returns, that’s when Armageddon takes place.
you can not understand Revelations without understanding that John was teanspoeted in time to the End of the millennial reign, that’s the only way you can get the, time-line right brother, all the pieces will fit together if you do that.
THE RETURN OF JESUS, will be a “Celestial” event, and catch the whole world off guard or, by suprise, just as he said it would. There will be a “perplexity” of Nations, the waves will “roar” and people will die of heart atacks, because of the fear of that thing “comming on the earth”, and the sun and the moon will be “darkened” and the “powers of heaven” (the gravitional pulls that lock the planets in orbit) will be “Shaken” , causing the earth to wobble in orbit, and cause giant tussmies, and many will die, as a result, espically those who live along coastal areas, where most live.
It will be like as in the days of Noah, this whole world will be caught off guard, and it will happen suddenly like lighting flashes from the east and shines to the west “a sudden event”, exactly as Jesus said it would be.
Don’t be decieved Berean, Listening to what these , “fales prophets”, are telling you will only cause you to be caught off guard , because they decieve people into thinking all these other things have to first happen, don’t believe them , time is short, his hand is at the door, my God our Father help us to all be ready.
Peaceand love to you and yours. ……….gene
Gene is trying to divert from the fact that he said the Beast is Satan. Funny watching him dodge that with throwing out other things in the hope he diverts the question. A common tactic of the guilty. The thing is, this shows us his heart.
It seems he can never admit when he is wrong. And that is usually due to a pride problem. And we know where pride leads.
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Gene is trying to divert from the fact that he said the Beast is Satan. Funny watching him dodge that with throwing out other things in the hope he diverts the question. A common tactic of the guilty. The thing is, this shows us his heart.
It seems he can never admit when he is wrong. And that is usually due to a pride problem. And we know where pride leads.
Hope brother Gene has seen this post by Proclaimer.
The dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.
The Beast of Revelation represents seven empires that ruled in succession in the area around the Great Sea, the Mediterranean. These seven empires are a historical fact that fits perfectly with the Beast of Revelation and what it means. From our view in history, we can see that the seven empires were:
Egypt – 3100 to 677 BC (Genesis 12:10)
Assyria – 677 to 626 BC (Genesis 2:14)
Babylon – 626 – 539 BC (Daniel 1:1)
Medo-Persia – 539 – 449 BC (Daniel 5:28)
Greecia – 449 – 146 BC (Daniel 10:20)
Rome – 146 BC-476 AD eastern leg / 1453 AD western leg or Byzantium (Daniel 9:26 & Romans 1-7)
Ottoman – 1453 – 1924 AD (Future empire when Revelation was written, but historical empire today)Notice that this Beast is no more today in 2021. The reign of empires ended at the conclusion of WWI when the Ottoman army fought alongside Germany and Austria-Hungary. They were defeated in October 1918. If the Ottoman Empire was the last empire or the seventh head of the beast, then it partially fits with the following verse.
“And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.”
For it to fully fit though, an eighth king or kingdom which comes from the seventh would need to arise in the future. That could be another Islamic Caliphate especially considering the seventh in this view was an Islamic caliphate. Further, given the spread of Islam which dominates this part of the world (around the Great Sea) and which has recently infiltrated Western Europe, it seems that an Islamic Caliphate would be the most likely empire to rise from this region. Forget America, China, India, Australia, etc. These are not located around the Great Sea. These empires and countries are not part of the Beast with seven heads and 10 horns.
Revelation 17:8
The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction.,Revelation 17:11:
The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.Daniel 7:1-3
In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon, Daniel had a dream, and visions passed through his mind as he was lying in bed. He wrote down the substance of his dream. Daniel said: “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me were the four winds of heaven churning up the great sea. Four great beasts, each different from the others, came up out of the sea.Revelation 13:1
“And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.”It is also possible that the eighth king / kingdom to come could be from the seven heads (not seventh head). This would mean it is comprised of all empires that came out of the Great Sea previously. Now look at the next verse.
You saw the iron mixed with clay–the peoples will mix with one another but will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with fired clay.
Regarding the iron mixed with clay, it is worth noting that the word for ‘clay’ in Aramaic is ‘arab’. After the two legs of iron in the statue (Rome) , we see the toes are mixed with iron and clay. In other words it appears that two peoples will live side by side but their seed will not mingle. And indeed we see this with the break up of the Roman Empire and the Ottoman invasions. The invaders (Arabs) mixed with the iron (Romans) but never became one people.
Of the seven empires in the Book of Revelation, Daniel addressed four and perhaps a fifth with the mixture of iron and clay. His revelation was focussed around his time however and not as wide in scope as the Book of Revelation.
Why the seven mountains are seven kingdoms
In the Book of Revelation we read about a beast comprising of seven heads rising out of the sea. Many are the interpretations of what the heads are and what this Beast is exactly. But we are told in the Book of Revelation that the seven heads are seven mountains and also seven kings. But how do we know that it is talking about seven kingdoms or empires rather than seven kings from a single empire?
Mountains throughout the Old Testament of uses a mountain to signify a kingdom or empire. In Jeremiah. 51:25 we see that Babylon is called a mountain.
“I am against you, you destroying mountain…”
And in Ezekiel 35:2, we read:
The word of the Lord came to me: “Son of man, set your face against Mount Seir, and prophesy against it, and say to it, Thus says the Lord God: Behold, I am against you, Mount Seir, and I will stretch out my hand against you, land I will make you a desolation and a waste. I will lay your cities waste, and you shall become a desolation, and you shall know that I am the Lord.
Even in Daniel 2:35 we read about a huge mountain that filled the whole earth. Which has been interpreted to mean the Kingdom of God.
But the rock that struck the statue became a huge mountain and filled the whole earth.
And for further clarification, the Kingdom of Judah is often referred to as Mount Zion.
So there you have it. The seven mountains in Revelation 13 and 17 are seven kingdoms.
Now if you have eyes to see and ears to hear, read on to learn what kingdoms are being referenced.
First thing to note is the Beast rises out of the Great Sea. That sea is the Mediterranean. In other words, the empires are specific to those located in the Middle East and Southern Europe. So what does history show us? Indeed there were seven successive empires that ruled this part of the world. These empire are as follows:
- Egypt – 3100 to 677 BC (Genesis 12:10)
- Assyria – 677 to 626 BC (Genesis 2:14)
- Babylon – 626 – 539 BC (Daniel 1:1)
- Medo-Persia – 539 – 449 BC (Daniel 5:28)
- Greecia – 449 – 146 BC (Daniel 10:20)
- Rome – 146 BC-476 AD eastern leg / 1453 AD western leg or Byzantium (Daniel 9:26 & Romans 1-7)
- Ottoman – 1453 – 1924 AD (Future empire when Revelation was written, but historical empire today)
Okay, so history attests to seven empires. But what about today? There is no empire in this part of the world anymore. Does that means the Beast is dead? Yes, actually it does mean that. Scripture attests to this. In Revelation 13:3 we read:
“And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.”
And in Revelation 17:8 we read:
The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction.,
Next we read in Revelation 17:11:
The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.
Since the end of WWI, all seven kingdoms have passed, but in the year 2021, the eighth kingdom is still to come.
4 Kingdoms but 5 materials, clay, iron, bronze, silver, and gold
Could this be because The Ottoman Empire (Clay) took over the capital city of Rome. So Rome is the two legs of iron, East and West and the feet of iron and clay is a reference to the Ottomans taking over the capital of the empire. So a mix of Roman and Ottoman citizens that cleave not together as one just as iron doesn’t mix with clay.
Daniel 2:35-45 ERV
Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver, and the gold broke to pieces all at the same time. And all the pieces became like chaff on a threshing floor in the summertime. The wind blew them away, and there was nothing left. No one could tell that a statue had ever been there. Then the rock that hit the statue became a very large mountain and filled up the whole earth. “That was your dream. Now we will tell the king what it means. King, you are the most important king. The God of heaven has given you a kingdom, power, strength, and glory. He has given you control, and you rule over people and the wild animals and the birds. Wherever they live, God has made you ruler over them all. King Nebuchadnezzar, you are that head of gold on the statue. “Another kingdom will come after you, but it will not be as great as your kingdom. Next, a third kingdom will rule over the earth—that is the bronze part. Then there will be a fourth kingdom. That kingdom will be strong like iron. Just as iron breaks things and smashes them to pieces, that fourth kingdom will break all the other kingdoms and smash them to pieces. “You saw that the feet and toes of the statue were partly clay and partly iron. That means the fourth kingdom will be a divided kingdom. It will have some of the strength of iron in it just as you saw the iron mixed with clay. The toes of the statue were partly iron and partly clay. So the fourth kingdom will be partly strong like iron and partly weak like clay. You saw the iron mixed with clay, but iron and clay don’t completely mix together. In the same way the people of the fourth kingdom will be a mixture. They will not be united as one people. “During the time of the kings of the fourth kingdom, the God of heaven will set up another kingdom that will continue forever. It will never be destroyed. And it will be the kind of kingdom that cannot be passed on to another group of people. This kingdom will crush all the other kingdoms. It will bring them to an end, but that kingdom itself will continue forever. “King Nebuchadnezzar, you saw a rock cut from a mountain, but no one cut that rock. The rock broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold to pieces. In this way God showed you what will happen in the future. The dream is true, and you can trust that this is what it means.”
DANIEL 2
1 BABYLON
2 MEDO-PERSIA
3 GRECIA
4 ROME
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….the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
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Daniel 7
4 BEASTS= 4 metals of the statue
The FOURTH BEAST= IRON AND IRON AND CLAY of thé statue
Do you agree with that already?
I’ll try to take time to see more later.
Have a good day
Do you agree with that already?
Well I am not fully subscribed to any end time teaching because I remain open minded. But I think the 4 metals representing those kingdoms seems like a fair interpretation.
The FOURTH BEAST= IRON AND IRON AND CLAY of thé statue
There are two facets here.
- Two legs (could be east and west which we see in the history of the Roman Empire).
- Iron and clay in the feet near the bottom Could represent the future from when the vision was given as it is the closest to the rock that strikes the statue.
It could mean that the kingdom of iron had two parts to it, and then later on, they mixed with another people but cannot fully mix as iron doesn’t cleave with clay.
One interpretation could be that the Roman Empire moved its capital to the east. After another 1000 or so years the empire still remained but was invaded and taken over by Arabs (mixed / arab). Constantinople became Istanbul. Church buildings were converted into mosques etc. And in Revelation, this is the seventh empire and then the Beast dies for a time, only to be revived for a short period of time just before the end.
Berean…….We are living in the days of the Iron and clay, Iron representing military powers, clay represents that these present kingdoms do not operate as one , but are diverse one from the other , but they all have the power of iron in then (great military strength) very powerful weapons of war. That is “exactly” the condition of e of the world today.
The world ring kingdoms are not any part of the ROMAN EMPIRE, that was destroyed hundreds of years ago.Babylon represents the way these Kingdom “economically rule ” , through a system of buy and sell for gain, enslaving men, usury of mankind, slavery of other for self gain. That is what the Babylon system of rule is and it has existed in every kingdom from the time Babylon.
Peace and love to you and yours………gene
Yes, Proclaimer,
The Ottoman Empire was the seventh head,
and Muhammadin islam is the eighth (and of the seventh)____________
God bless
Ed JResponse to your Sep 3 post
Hi Ed J.
Or could it be another Islamic political union in the last days, rather than organised Islam as a religion?
Hi Proclaimer
If you are ok with that
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the FOURTH beast (Daniel 7) = IRON LEGS and IRON FEET + CLAY (Dan. 2)
Do you agree that the previous 3 beasts of Daniel 7 correspond to the metals of Dan 2 (brass, silver, gold)
GOLD. /LION
SILVER / BEAR
BRASS / LEOPARDGod bless
To all……..unless you understand that John was transported Im time to the the end of the Sixth world ruling kingdom of Jesus Christ and the Saint’s, in fact right a the end of it, when Satan will be released from the bottomless pit where he was cast at the beginning of the Thousand rule of Jesus and the Saint’s you can never understand Rev 17 nor Dan 2 either .
There is no single “world” ruling kingdom that exist today. The world is ruled by many different kingdoms, but their Economical system work the same as the ancient Babylon system worked. We are “NOW” in the Fifth world ruling Babylon SYSTEM OF RULE , THE LEGS OF IRON AND CLAY, the next to come is the Sixth World ruling kingdom of Jesus Christ and the Resurrected Saint’s . Then at the end of that comes the Seventh, the deadly wound inflicted by Jesus and the Saint’s at his return, will be healed and the Babylonian type of economic rule will once again be on this earth as it was before , for a short time, then comes God the Father, and causes Satan to destroy the Seventh Babylon by ten kings he uses to destroy the Seventh Babylonian kingdom. Then the Eight kingdom of Satan will be destroyed at the great battle of Armageddon, by God the Father, And Satan is cast into he lake of fire.
If you don’t understand that you can be caught off guard, at the return of Jesus Christ.
peace and love to you all………gene
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