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Hi,
Baptism means baptism.
Psalm 119:130
The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.The doorway to wisdom is through simplicity.
Proverbs 8:5
O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart.
Proverbs 9:4
Whoso is simple, let him turn in hither: as for him that wanteth understanding, she saith to him,
Proverbs 21:11
When the scorner is punished, the simple is made wise: and when the wise is instructed, he receiveth knowledge.
Romans 12:8
Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.
2 Corinthians 1:12
For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation in the world, and more abundantly to you-ward.
2 Corinthians 11:3
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.Quote (Not3in1 @ June 29 2008,04:51) OK, brother's back to the topic huh? 
Supergeek,
Here are some jewels in Ephesians for salvation by faith alone and not by water baptism:
Ephesians 1:13
And you were also included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation.Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised holy Spirit, which is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession – the the praise of his glory.
“God's possession” – oh, that gives me chills. Love it.
Ephesians 2:8, 9
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works so that no one can boast.
Hey a side note here, DK if you're listening….even our faith is a “gift” from God. Praise him for all the wonderful gifts he continues to give his children.
First of all Eph 1:13 you need to look at it in context. He is talking and saying that they have The Holy Ghost because of faith. They were most likely baptized before the received The Holy Ghost.In Eph 2:8,9 it is saying that we aren't saved by being “good” and doing things that are charitable but we are saved by the will of GOD and by faith. And we are baptized by faith.
Quote (Not3in1 @ June 29 2008,04:51) OK, brother's back to the topic huh? Supergeek,
Here are some jewels in Ephesians for salvation by faith alone and not by water baptism:
Ephesians 1:13
And you were also included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation.Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised holy Spirit, which is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession – the the praise of his glory.
“God's possession” – oh, that gives me chills. Love it.
Ephesians 2:8, 9
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works so that no one can boast.
Hey a side note here, DK if you're listening….even our faith is a “gift” from God. Praise him for all the wonderful gifts he continues to give his children.
First of all Eph 1:13 you need to look at it in context. He is talking and saying that they have The Holy Ghost because of faith. They were most likely baptized before the received The Holy Ghost.In Eph 2:8,9 it is saying that we aren't saved by being “good” and doing things that are charitable but we are saved by the will of GOD and by faith. And we are baptized by faith.
Quote (Not3in1 @ June 29 2008,04:51) OK, brother's back to the topic huh? Supergeek,
Here are some jewels in Ephesians for salvation by faith alone and not by water baptism:
Ephesians 1:13
And you were also included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation.Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised holy Spirit, which is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession – the the praise of his glory.
“God's possession” – oh, that gives me chills. Love it.
Ephesians 2:8, 9
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works so that no one can boast.
Hey a side note here, DK if you're listening….even our faith is a “gift” from God. Praise him for all the wonderful gifts he continues to give his children.
Hi not3,
Paul is writing to the saved.
Eph11Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
2Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
They have gone through the gate of Jesus.
They have obeyed in faith God's demandsQuote (Not3in1 @ June 29 2008,04:51) OK, brother's back to the topic huh? Supergeek,
Here are some jewels in Ephesians for salvation by faith alone and not by water baptism:
Ephesians 1:13
And you were also included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation.Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised holy Spirit, which is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession – the the praise of his glory.
“God's possession” – oh, that gives me chills. Love it.
Ephesians 2:8, 9
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works so that no one can boast.
Hey a side note here, DK if you're listening….even our faith is a “gift” from God. Praise him for all the wonderful gifts he continues to give his children.
Hi not3,
Paul is writing to the saved.
Eph11Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
2Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
They have gone through the gate of Jesus.
They have obeyed in faith God's demandsQuote (Not3in1 @ June 29 2008,04:51) OK, brother's back to the topic huh? Supergeek,
Here are some jewels in Ephesians for salvation by faith alone and not by water baptism:
Ephesians 1:13
And you were also included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation.Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised holy Spirit, which is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession – the the praise of his glory.
“God's possession” – oh, that gives me chills. Love it.
Ephesians 2:8, 9
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works so that no one can boast.
Hey a side note here, DK if you're listening….even our faith is a “gift” from God. Praise him for all the wonderful gifts he continues to give his children.
Mandy! My Husband agrees with you, that we do not have to be Baptized to be saved. We just came home from going out to eat and we had that conversation at the Restaurant. But He also said that when you do profess that you believe in Jesus as our Savior that you would get Baptized.
In Ephesians 2:8 it simply states that :” For by grace you have been saved through faith and that not of yourselves, it is a free gift of God etc. like you already mentioned.
Nothing about Baptism.
But then there are other Scriptures that do talk about Baptism.
Peace and Love IreneQuote (Not3in1 @ June 29 2008,04:51) OK, brother's back to the topic huh? Supergeek,
Here are some jewels in Ephesians for salvation by faith alone and not by water baptism:
Ephesians 1:13
And you were also included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation.Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised holy Spirit, which is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession – the the praise of his glory.
“God's possession” – oh, that gives me chills. Love it.
Ephesians 2:8, 9
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works so that no one can boast.
Hey a side note here, DK if you're listening….even our faith is a “gift” from God. Praise him for all the wonderful gifts he continues to give his children.
Mandy! My Husband agrees with you, that we do not have to be Baptized to be saved. We just came home from going out to eat and we had that conversation at the Restaurant. But He also said that when you do profess that you believe in Jesus as our Savior that you would get Baptized.
In Ephesians 2:8 it simply states that :” For by grace you have been saved through faith and that not of yourselves, it is a free gift of God etc. like you already mentioned.
Nothing about Baptism.
But then there are other Scriptures that do talk about Baptism.
Peace and Love IreneQuote
In Eph 2:8,9 it is saying that we aren't saved by being “good” and doing things that are charitable but we are saved by the will of GOD and by faith. And we are baptized by faith.Ephesians 2:8-9 states that we are saved by faith, and faith alone. Any type of work does not save us. Titus 3:5 “
he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done…“Being 'baptized by faith' is an excuse, you're adding WORKS to salvation. Salvation is faith = salvation, but you made it into faith + WORKS = baptism. You're saying that we have to perform a specific work before are are saved. Saying that we are 'baptized by faith' changes nothing, because it requires we perform A WORK before we are saved.
You're no different from a Judaizer, who was a group of Jews that required circumcision for salvation. The only difference is baptism instead of circumcision. If St. Peter were here today, he could give you the same harsh rebuke that he did to the Judaizers.
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In Eph 2:8,9 it is saying that we aren't saved by being “good” and doing things that are charitable but we are saved by the will of GOD and by faith. And we are baptized by faith.Ephesians 2:8-9 states that we are saved by faith, and faith alone. Any type of work does not save us. Titus 3:5 “
he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done…“Being 'baptized by faith' is an excuse, you're adding WORKS to salvation. Salvation is faith = salvation, but you made it into faith + WORKS = baptism. You're saying that we have to perform a specific work before are are saved. Saying that we are 'baptized by faith' changes nothing, because it requires we perform A WORK before we are saved.
You're no different from a Judaizer, who was a group of Jews that required circumcision for salvation. The only difference is baptism instead of circumcision. If St. Peter were here today, he could give you the same harsh rebuke that he did to the Judaizers.
I'm saying that the Bible is silent (from what I've read) on that, and where the Scriptures are silent.
I'm saying that the Bible is silent (from what I've read) on that, and where the Scriptures are silent.
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