Is baptism needed for salvation?

[Ed J]

Hi Pierre,

1) What is the Messiah’s name?
2) Does the “Messiah” have more than one name?

[Ed J]

So is the repentance or the water the more vital requirement?

Water baptism is not a requirement at all. Born of water is human birth.
Born of spirit is our re-birth, being baptized with God’s HolySpirit.

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,

Please give your scriptural support for human birth being of water.

Tell us of those in Acts who received the baptism of the Spirit without also being baptised in water.

 

Unless of course this is just your own idea and that is enough for you.

[Ed J]

Ed,

Paul did not baptize with the Holy Spirit as he did not and does not have the authority to give the Holy Spirit. Jesus had to live a life in which he did not sin even though being tempted as is common to man and then die in order for the Spirit; in its role of concealer to come. John teaches us that Jesus is the one the baptizes us with both the Holy Ghost and fire.

In Acts 19:1-7 they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus is written before the laying on of hand by Paul. The laying of hands also bestowed gifts on them. You see the same pattern in Acts 8:14-17 where immersion in Jesus’ name occurs separate from the laying on of hands.

Jesus’ command was to make student-followers of all nations immersing them and teaching them to obey all he things he taught the apostles. Both of these passages show Paul and the apostles followed that pattern.

Hi Kerwin,

Christ liveth in Paul? “Yes” or “No” ?

[Ed J]

Hi ED,

Please give your scriptural support for human birth being of water.

Hi Nick,

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man
be (1) born of water and (2 born) of the Spirit,
he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

(1)That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and
(2)that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
(John 3:5-6)

Context Nick

1) That which is born of water is born of the flesh
2) That which is born of spirit is born of the spirit

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,

So two and two make five?

You assume too much

[Ed J]

Hi Nick,

Do you assume that Jesus words that followed were not an explanation to Nicodemus as what he meant?

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,

Sons of men are sons of men

Sons of God are led by the Spirit

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,

The words already have an obvious meaning.

Can you read other things between the lines?

[Ed J]

Tell us of those in Acts who received the baptism of the Spirit without also being baptised in water.

Hi Nick, OK, here this is in Acts, read (this is Peter sent to the Gentiles)…

“And the Spirit bade me go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me,
and we entered into the man’s house: And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house,
which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;

Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.
And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.

Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water;
but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift
as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God
also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.” (Acts 11:12-18)

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,

The question was WITHOUT water baptism

Read on and you will see Peter commanded that they be baptised in water.

 

Do you have any others?

[Ed J]

Acts 10:47 is before Acts 11:12-18, and besides no-one is forbidding it.
It is you that is saying “water baptism” is necessary for salvation, no?

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,

It is God Who decides whosoever has repented and is clean enough to be blessed with His Spirit.

God also inspired Peter to baptise them in water.

Would you argue with God?

[Ed J]

Hi Nick,

Was John’s baptism “water baptism” ?

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,

John baptised in water and so did the disciples of Jesus.

The apostles after he left obeyed the command and there are at least 15 examples shown in the book of acts of that obedience

 

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,

Of course you could be right and all the anointed ones of God wrong.

But it seems less likely

[kerwin]

Ed,

Christ liveth in Paul? “Yes” or “No” ?

You do not include a context so I do not know in what sense you mean.

Spiritually yes but bodily no. Paul is one with Christ Jesus in the union of the Spirit which is why Jesus prayed that believers would be in him and God and him and God would be in Jesus.

Not everyone is given the same authority by the Spirit.(1 Corinthians 12:28-29)

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,

Is baptism works?

Only for the baptiser and is he hasn’t been saved he should not be doing the works.

[Ed J]

Hi Ed,

Of course you could be right and all the anointed ones of God wrong.

But it seems less likely

Hi Nick,

Why do you suppose the Apostle Paul said this…
“I thank God that I baptized none of you” (1Cor 1:14)

[Ed J]

Would you argue with God?

Are you claiming to be God?

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