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Kerwin, There are only three ordinances for the church.
1. True Christian Baptism in water.
2. Communion.
3. Foot Washing.Are none of these important?
Should we not do them?
Obedience is better then Sacrifice.
Marlin
Quote (Marlin1 @ Feb. 19 2012,05:17) Kerwin, There are only three ordinances for the church. 1. True Christian Baptism in water.
2. Communion.
3. Foot Washing.Are none of these important?
Should we not do them?
Obedience is better then Sacrifice.
Marlin
Marlin,There is one ordinance for believers and that is to love themselves and others as God does.
Immersion in water under the authority of Jesus which is the same authority as God and his Spirit is the means by which believers receive the spirit of love.
Communion is practiced in remembrance of Jesus the King. Jesus used footwashing to teach that those in authority are to be servants.
All three are useful in their own way to further God's ordinance to love. An individual given authority to baptize by King Jesus immerses in that authority whatever formula he chooses to use as he is God's servant.
Love is better than rituals.
Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 18 2012,13:04) Quote (Marlin1 @ Feb. 17 2012,08:29) Kerwin, Do you believe that Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are names?
Marlin
Marlin.IN THE NAME–OF THE FATHER THE SON AND THE HOLY GHOST. WHAT IS THE HOLY GHOSTS NAME?
wakeup.
Hi Wake-up, “The Word” (Rev.19:13)God(YÄ-hä-vā) named his Son “YA-shu-a”.
“The Word” would be a funny name to name a child? …would it not?
“The Word”, however, is catchy name for God's “HolySpirit”(Rev.19:13).
Go
ye therefore,
and teach all nations,
baptizing them in the name ofthe Father (“YÄ-hä-vā”),
and of the Son (“YA-shu-a”),
and of the HolySirit (“The Word”):(Matt 28:19)…hey it fits doesn't it?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi ED,
It fits suits your AKJV defence.
Truth is more important.Show me ONCE in Acts when any baptism into Christ was not in the name of Jesus Christ.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 19 2012,09:11) Hi Marlin,
God and Jesus Christ now manifest to those who fellowship with them in the Spirit.[2jn]
The Spirit is not separate from either but binds us to both.
Hi Nick,Excellent post!
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 19 2012,14:47) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 18 2012,13:04) Quote (Marlin1 @ Feb. 17 2012,08:29) Kerwin, Do you believe that Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are names?
Marlin
Marlin.IN THE NAME–OF THE FATHER THE SON AND THE HOLY GHOST. WHAT IS THE HOLY GHOSTS NAME?
wakeup.
Hi Wake-up, “The Word” (Rev.19:13)God(YÄ-hä-vā) named his Son “YA-shu-a”.
“The Word” would be a funny name to name a child? …would it not?
“The Word”, however, is catchy name for God's “HolySpirit”(Rev.19:13).
Go
ye therefore,
and teach all nations,
baptizing them in the name ofthe Father (“YÄ-hä-vā”),
and of the Son (“YA-shu-a”),
and of the HolySirit (“The Word”):(Matt 28:19)…hey it fits doesn't it?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.The father has many names; one of his name is JEHOVAH.
The son has many names; one of his name is JESUS.
The holy spirits name =
??? THE HOLY SPIRIT.The holy spirits name is not the word: THIS IS YOUR INVENTION.
Jesus is the word: in case you dont know.
wakeup.
Kerwin,
I agree with most of what you said.
I would say we have no law but LOVE.
I would also say we have three divine orders.
Quote All three are useful in their own way to further God's ordinance to love. An individual given authority to baptize by King Jesus immerses in that authority whatever formula he chooses to use as he is God's servant. I can not agree with this. For this is saying that man can do what he likes and not follow the Word. Man has been trying to do that from almost the beginning and it is wrong. There is only one proper way to baptize. And that is the only way it was ever done in the early church.
It was given to us by the man that Jesus gave the keys to. He told Peter whatever he bound on earth would be bound in heaven. How long, to the last one that Lord shall call comes in.
And that is the only way that will work today. All mans ways are no baptism at all and will not be accepted.Even those that had received the Holy Ghost as Peter was still speaking, had to be baptized correctly. Paul made some be rebaptized.
It is the same this day, if a person is truly following Christ, they will look to the first church, the most powerful church on earth. They will follow that church and not the mother Catholic Church or any other church lies and dogma's.
Baptism doesn't save anyone. It is only an out word sign. It only proves weather a person has received revelation from God and weather they are willing to believe and obeyed the Word of God.
For a person to say that they have the love of Christ in them and to willfully disobey the Word is a lie.
JOHN 14:15 † If ye love me, keep my commandments.God Bless
MarlinQuote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 19 2012,14:58) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 19 2012,14:47)
Hi Wake-up, “The Word” (Rev.19:13)God(YÄ-hä-vā) named his Son “YA-shu-a”.
“The Word” would be a funny name to name a child? …would it not?
“The Word”, however, is catchy name for God's “HolySpirit”(Rev.19:13).
Go
ye therefore,
and teach all nations,
baptizing them in the name ofthe Father (“YÄ-hä-vā”),
and of the Son (“YA-shu-a”),
and of the HolySirit (“The Word”):(Matt 28:19)…hey it fits doesn't it?
God bless
Ed J
Hi ED,
It fits suits your AKJV defence.
Truth is more important.Show me ONCE in Acts when any baptism into Christ was not in the name of Jesus Christ.
Hi Nick,The “AKJV Bible” is NOT the issue, but here what is…
(E.) Thank you for agreeing that it runs parallel to,
or in more term “it allows for” my assertion of…“Trin” and “non-Trin” are both true. (Link)
E. What is the least of things we “CAN” agree upon, regarding each particular piece of evidence. <– We agree
D. What is the most that a particular piece of evidence can exemplify. (What is it suppose to prove) <– No agreement "YET"
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgKerwin,
I agree with most of what you said.
I would say we have no law but LOVE.
I would also say we have three divine orders.
Quote All three are useful in their own way to further God's ordinance to love. An individual given authority to baptize by King Jesus immerses in that authority whatever formula he chooses to use as he is God's servant. I can not agree with this. For this is saying that man can do what he likes and not follow the Word. Man has been trying to do that from almost the beginning and it is wrong. There is only one proper way to baptize. And that is the only way it was ever done in the early church.
It was given to us by the man that Jesus gave the keys to. He told Peter whatever he bound on earth would be bound in heaven. How long, to the last one that Lord shall call comes in.
And that is the only way that will work today. All mans ways are no baptism at all and will not be accepted.Even those that had received the Holy Ghost as Peter was still speaking, had to be baptized correctly. Paul made some be rebaptized.
It is the same this day, if a person is truly following Christ, they will look to the first church, the most powerful church on earth. They will follow that church and not the mother Catholic Church or any other church lies and dogma's.
Baptism doesn't save anyone. It is only an out word sign. It only proves weather a person has received revelation from God and weather they are willing to believe and obeyed the Word of God.
For a person to say that they have the love of Christ in them and to willfully disobey the Word is a lie.
JOHN 14:15 † If ye love me, keep my commandments.God Bless
MarlinQuote (Wakeup @ Feb. 19 2012,15:43) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 19 2012,14:47) Quote (Wakeup @ Feb. 18 2012,13:04) Quote (Marlin1 @ Feb. 17 2012,08:29) Kerwin, Do you believe that Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are names?
Marlin
Marlin.IN THE NAME–OF THE FATHER THE SON AND THE HOLY GHOST. WHAT IS THE HOLY GHOSTS NAME?
wakeup.
Hi Wake-up, “The Word” (Rev.19:13)God(YÄ-hä-vā) named his Son “YA-shu-a”.
“The Word” would be a funny name to name a child? …would it not?
“The Word”, however, is catchy name for God's “HolySpirit”(Rev.19:13).
Go
ye therefore,
and teach all nations,
baptizing them in the name ofthe Father (“YÄ-hä-vā”),
and of the Son (“YA-shu-a”),
and of the HolySirit (“The Word”):(Matt 28:19)…hey it fits doesn't it?
God bless
Ed J
EDJ.The father has many names; one of his name is JEHOVAH.
The son has many names; one of his name is JESUS.
The holy spirits name =
??? THE HOLY SPIRIT.The holy spirits name is not the word: THIS IS YOUR INVENTION.
Jesus is the word: in case you dont know.
wakeup.
Hi Wake-up, …Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thess 5:21)All these verses together CONCLUSIVELY PROVE that:
“The Word” is REALLY the HolySpirit”! (Link to thread)
Zech.4:6
Zech.12:1Matt.13:19
Mark 4:14
Mark13:11
Mark 13:19
Luke 3:2
Luke 8:11
John 12:49
John 14:24
John 17:6-8
John 17:14
Acts 4:31
Acts 10:36-38
Acts 10:44
Acts 11:15-16
Acts 13:4-5
Acts 13:47-49
Acts 17:11
Acts 20:32
Romans 9:5-6
Romans 10:17
1Cor. 12:8-9
1Cor. 14:36
2Cor. 5:19
2Cor. 6:6-7
Gal.6:6
Eph. 1:12-13
Eph. 5:26
Eph. 6:17
Phillip.2:16
1Tm.5:17-18
2Tm.2:11-15
2Tm.4:2
Hebrews 1:1-2
Hebrews 2:2-3
Hebrews 4:2-6
Hebrews 4:8-12
Hebrews 5:13-14
Hebrews 7:28
Hebrews 11:3
Hebrews 12:19
James 1:18
1Peter 1:21-23
1Peter 2:6-8
1John 2:7-10
Rev.1:2
Rev.1:9
Rev.19:11-16
Rev.20:4God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 19 2012,09:20) Hi KW,
Any formula?
Obedience does not count for servants?
Nick,Words express ideas. It is the ideas behind the words that count and not the words. Stay true to the ideas and the words cannot be wrong.
Quote (Marlin1 @ Feb. 19 2012,10:48) Kerwin, I agree with most of what you said.
I would say we have no law but LOVE.
I would also say we have three divine orders.
Quote All three are useful in their own way to further God's ordinance to love. An individual given authority to baptize by King Jesus immerses in that authority whatever formula he chooses to use as he is God's servant. I can not agree with this. For this is saying that man can do what he likes and not follow the Word. Man has been trying to do that from almost the beginning and it is wrong. There is only one proper way to baptize. And that is the only way it was ever done in the early church.
It was given to us by the man that Jesus gave the keys to. He told Peter whatever he bound on earth would be bound in heaven. How long, to the last one that Lord shall call comes in.
And that is the only way that will work today. All mans ways are no baptism at all and will not be accepted.Even those that had received the Holy Ghost as Peter was still speaking, had to be baptized correctly. Paul made some be rebaptized.
It is the same this day, if a person is truly following Christ, they will look to the first church, the most powerful church on earth. They will follow that church and not the mother Catholic Church or any other church lies and dogma's.
Baptism doesn't save anyone. It is only an out word sign. It only proves weather a person has received revelation from God and weather they are willing to believe and obeyed the Word of God.
For a person to say that they have the love of Christ in them and to willfully disobey the Word is a lie.
JOHN 14:15 † If ye love me, keep my commandments.God Bless
Marlin
Marlin,You are addressing many issues in your post. Some of those issues I need to look into more before going into them in more detail.
As for what I stated about formulas look at what I just posted to Nick.
I did not claim that anyone is saved by being immersed in water. What I did claim is those that believe miraculously receive the Spirit of God as a teacher. To be saved you have to persevere in walking according to the teachings of the Spirit.
Being immersed in water is like the blind man who was healed because he obeyed Jesus and washed in the Pool of Siloam. It is not the pool that healed him but his faith that gave birth to obedience.
John the Baptist did not baptize with the Spirit because it had not come yet.
Quote (Marlin1 @ Feb. 19 2012,22:48) Kerwin, I agree with most of what you said.
I would say we have no law but LOVE.
I would also say we have three divine orders.
Quote All three are useful in their own way to further God's ordinance to love. An individual given authority to baptize by King Jesus immerses in that authority whatever formula he chooses to use as he is God's servant. I can not agree with this. For this is saying that man can do what he likes and not follow the Word. Man has been trying to do that from almost the beginning and it is wrong. There is only one proper way to baptize. And that is the only way it was ever done in the early church.
It was given to us by the man that Jesus gave the keys to. He told Peter whatever he bound on earth would be bound in heaven. How long, to the last one that Lord shall call comes in.
And that is the only way that will work today. All mans ways are no baptism at all and will not be accepted.Even those that had received the Holy Ghost as Peter was still speaking, had to be baptized correctly. Paul made some be rebaptized.
It is the same this day, if a person is truly following Christ, they will look to the first church, the most powerful church on earth. They will follow that church and not the mother Catholic Church or any other church lies and dogma's.
Baptism doesn't save anyone. It is only an out word sign. It only proves weather a person has received revelation from God and weather they are willing to believe and obeyed the Word of God.
For a person to say that they have the love of Christ in them and to willfully disobey the Word is a lie.
JOHN 14:15 † If ye love me, keep my commandments.God Bless
Marlin
MarlinQuote Baptism doesn't save anyone. It is only an out word sign. It only proves weather a person has received revelation from God and weather they are willing to believe and obeyed the Word of God. Satan like this one as well ,;Ge 3:4 “You will not surely die,” the serpent said to the woman.
Ge 3:5 “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”Quote (Marlin1 @ Feb. 19 2012,05:40) Quote IN THE NAME–OF THE FATHER THE SON AND THE HOLY GHOST. WHAT IS THE HOLY GHOSTS NAME? Hi Wakeup,
That wasn't my question. I ask if you thought father, son or Holy Ghost were names?
Are they?Marlin
Marlin.You are right; they are not names.
The Father is not a name,the Son is not a name, the Holy ghost is not a name.THe Farther many names,the Son has many names,but the Holy ghost?
wakeup.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 20 2012,05:45) Hi Marlin,
The brothers were given authority but not to change the teachings.
Nick.Miracles can be copied by satan; baptism in water can also be copied by satan; How?
He can send someone that is not truly in God do the baptizing.Will that baptism be valid,or invalid?
But baptism in the Holy spirit can never be copied.wakeup.
To all,
Philippians 1
New International Version (NIV)15 It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. 16 The latter do so out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. 17 The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains. 18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.
Yes, and I will continue to rejoice,
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