Is baptism needed for salvation?

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  • #242669
    kerwin
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    To all

    This is what searchgodstruth.org's Greek Lexicon states about the word “baptizo”.  I see nothing that states it means “teach”.

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    to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
    to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one's self, bathe
    to overwhelm
    Not to be confused with 911, bapto. The clearest example that shows the meaning of baptizo is a text from the Greek poet and physician Nicander, who lived about 200 B.C. It is a recipe for making pickles and is helpful because it uses both words. Nicander says that in order to make a pickle, the vegetable should first be 'dipped' (bapto) into boiling water and then 'baptised' (baptizo) in the vinegar solution. Both verbs concern the immersing of vegetables in a solution. But the first is temporary. The second, the act of baptising the vegetable, produces a permanent change. When used in the New Testament, this word more often refers to our union and identification with Christ than to our water baptism. e.g. Mark 16:16. 'He that believes and is baptised shall be saved'. Christ is saying that mere intellectual assent is not enough. There must be a union with him, a real change, like the vegetable to the pickle! Bible Study Magazine, James Montgomery Boice, May 1989.

    Here is what the word “bapto” means.  It is never translated into baptism in the King James version of scripture.

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    to dip, dip in, immerse
    to dip into dye, to dye, colour
    Not to be confused with 907, baptizo. The clearest example that shows the meaning of baptizo is a text from the Greek poet and physician Nicander, who lived about 200 B.C. It is a recipe for making pickles and is helpful because it uses both words. Nicander says that in order to make a pickle, the vegetable should first be 'dipped' (bapto) into boiling water and then 'baptised' (baptizo) in the vinegar solution. Both verbs concern the immersing of vegetables in a solution. But the first is temporary. The second, the act of baptising the vegetable, produces a permanent change.

    #242762
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ April 09 2011,22:14)
    To all

    This is what searchgodstruth.org's Greek Lexicon states about the word “baptizo”.  I see nothing that states it means “teach”.

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    to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
    to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one's self, bathe
    to overwhelm
    Not to be confused with 911, bapto. The clearest example that shows the meaning of baptizo is a text from the Greek poet and physician Nicander, who lived about 200 B.C. It is a recipe for making pickles and is helpful because it uses both words. Nicander says that in order to make a pickle, the vegetable should first be 'dipped' (bapto) into boiling water and then 'baptised' (baptizo) in the vinegar solution. Both verbs concern the immersing of vegetables in a solution. But the first is temporary. The second, the act of baptising the vegetable, produces a permanent change. When used in the New Testament, this word more often refers to our union and identification with Christ than to our water baptism. e.g. Mark 16:16. 'He that believes and is baptised shall be saved'. Christ is saying that mere intellectual assent is not enough. There must be a union with him, a real change, like the vegetable to the pickle! Bible Study Magazine, James Montgomery Boice, May 1989.

    Here is what the word “bapto” means.  It is never translated into baptism in the King James version of scripture.

    Quote
    to dip, dip in, immerse
    to dip into dye, to dye, colour
    Not to be confused with 907, baptizo. The clearest example that shows the meaning of baptizo is a text from the Greek poet and physician Nicander, who lived about 200 B.C. It is a recipe for making pickles and is helpful because it uses both words. Nicander says that in order to make a pickle, the vegetable should first be 'dipped' (bapto) into boiling water and then 'baptised' (baptizo) in the vinegar solution. Both verbs concern the immersing of vegetables in a solution. But the first is temporary. The second, the act of baptising the vegetable, produces a permanent change.


    Kerwin

    I have but one question for now;what baptism is it refer to in MK 10;38;39??

    Mk 10:38 “You don’t know what you are asking,” Jesus said. “Can you drink the cup I drink or be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with?”
    Mk 10:39 “We can,” they answered.

    this would it be the baptism in Christ ?

    Pierre

    #242763
    kerwin
    Participant

    Pierre,

    Mark 10(NIV,c.2011)

    38 “You don’t know what you are asking,” Jesus said. “Can you drink the cup I drink or be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with?”

    39 “We can,” they answered.

      Jesus said to them, “You will drink the cup I drink and be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with, 40 but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared.”

    I hope to look into it some more but it appears he was speaking of his persecution.

    #242782
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ April 11 2011,01:31)
    Pierre,

    Mark 10(NIV,c.2011)

    38 “You don’t know what you are asking,” Jesus said. “Can you drink the cup I drink or be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with?”

    39 “We can,” they answered.

      Jesus said to them, “You will drink the cup I drink and be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with, 40 but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared.”

    I hope to look into it some more but it appears he was speaking of his persecution.


    Kerwin

    you right ,so baptizo as a different meaning now,right ?

    and can mean teaching in the spirit ,suffer for the faith,

    fidelity to ones believe and faith until dead.right?
    but absolutely not water baptism.

    Pierre

    #242820
    kerwin
    Participant

    Quote (terraricca @ April 11 2011,00:20)

    Quote (kerwin @ April 11 2011,01:31)
    Pierre,

    Mark 10(NIV,c.2011)

    38 “You don’t know what you are asking,” Jesus said. “Can you drink the cup I drink or be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with?”

    39 “We can,” they answered.

      Jesus said to them, “You will drink the cup I drink and be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with, 40 but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared.”

    I hope to look into it some more but it appears he was speaking of his persecution.


    Kerwin

    you right ,so baptizo as a different meaning now,right ?

    and can mean teaching in the spirit ,suffer for the faith,

    fidelity to ones believe and faith until dead.right?
    but absolutely not water baptism.

    Pierre


    Pierre,

    The definitions of Baptize I gave you are of the Common Greek as written in scripture.

    Baptize just means “submerge” and Jesus was speaking of his and his servants future submergence.  He merely implied in what.  I am unsure what he implied though it seems to deal with persecution.

    #242991
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ April 12 2011,02:54)

    Quote (terraricca @ April 11 2011,00:20)

    Quote (kerwin @ April 11 2011,01:31)
    Pierre,

    Mark 10(NIV,c.2011)

    38 “You don’t know what you are asking,” Jesus said. “Can you drink the cup I drink or be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with?”

    39 “We can,” they answered.

      Jesus said to them, “You will drink the cup I drink and be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with, 40 but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared.”

    I hope to look into it some more but it appears he was speaking of his persecution.


    Kerwin

    you right ,so baptizo as a different meaning now,right ?

    and can mean teaching in the spirit ,suffer for the faith,

    fidelity to ones believe and faith until dead.right?
    but absolutely not water baptism.

    Pierre


    Pierre,

    The definitions of Baptize I gave you are of the Common Greek as written in scripture.

    Baptize just means “submerge” and Jesus was speaking of his and his servants future submergence.  He merely implied in what.  I am unsure what he implied though it seems to deal with persecution.


    Kerwin

    so you agree ,that baptism can be something else than submerging in water ?right

    Pierre

    #242995
    kerwin
    Participant

    Pierre,

    Baptism means submerge. You can submerge in many things.

    #242997
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (kerwin @ April 13 2011,22:00)
    Pierre,

    Baptism means submerge.  You can submerge in many things.


    Kerwin

    :) :)

    #278352
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi,
    In Acts 19 those who had not been baptised correctly were rebaptised in the name of Jesus.

    #278376
    kerwin
    Participant

    To all,

    What does name mean in the following sentence?

    An ambassador is sent to the UN in the name of his country.

    #278378
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi GB,
    No.
    Read ACTS

    #278397
    shimmer
    Participant

    Here's some SDA writing on this:

    http://english.sdaglobal.org/research/mt2819.htm

    I haven't read through it though.

    #278409
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Sh,
    I have brought up the SDA thread

    #278434
    Marlin1
    Participant

    Nick, You have it right, Not many will agree with you though.

    Marlin

    #278443
    shimmer
    Participant

    Nick, the article I gave the link to is some research on Matthew 28:19. I don't know anything about it. I know I was Baptised in a Church at age 15, which denomination I don't know, it was a small church and I was living with another family at the time. We wore white gowns, and I think it was in Jesus name. I asked my Mother who recorded it, and she said it was in Jesus name.

    #278513
    Marlin1
    Participant

    Shimmer,

    May I ask you a question,  Did you give your heart to Jesus at 15 and then because you wanted to serve Jesus the rest of your life was baptized?
    Or did you just get baptized because your parents wanted you to?

    Just asking   :)

    Marlin

    #278534
    shimmer
    Participant

    Hi Marlin, thanks for asking. I have known Jesus since I was a young kid. My Friends (Foster Sisters and Brothers) and I all got Baptised together. So it was a good thing, I chose to. If I had the choice I would have.

    #278535
    Marlin1
    Participant

    Shimmer, Praise the Lord..

    Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed?

    God Bless
    Marlin

    #278544
    shimmer
    Participant

    Marlin, Yes.

    And you?

    #278547
    Marlin1
    Participant

    Amen brother, Yes sir,

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