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Quote (kerwin @ April 01 2011,03:27) To all, I have no idea how you interpret obey all of Jesus’ teachings but I know it means just what it states. If Jesus teaches me to go take a dip in the pool of Siloam then I do it. I do it because I believe Jesus is King of all things in heaven and earth. One can call that a work if they wish, but that work is born of faith. If you do not do as Jesus teaches then you are not his disciple.
As for salvation God is the judge; not me or you.
One does as Jesus teaches and becomes immersed in water because you believe he is King. You do it to receive the Holy Spirit. That in no way means you are saved though you should be saved on that day. Jesus taught us to obey all his teachings and they do not end with being immersed and receiving the Spirit of God as councilor. It is not the one who receives it but rather the one who walks according to its ways that will saved on that day.
You do realize that a covenant is a contract and those entering into a contract sign their name to seal the agreement. Jesus signed his name with his self sacrifice. You sign your name “by the pledge of a clear conscious toward God”. That is the purpose of being immersed in water.
KerwinMt 5:29 If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
Is this a practice you would do??
JN 4:39 From that city many of the Samaritans believed in Him because of the word of the woman who testified, “ He told me all the things that I have done.”
JN 4:40 So when the Samaritans came to Jesus, they were asking Him to stay with them; and He stayed there two days.
JN 4:41 Many more believed because of His word;
JN 4:42 and they were saying to the woman, “It is no longer because of what you said that we believe, for we have heard for ourselves and know that this One is indeed the Savior of the world.”
JN 4:43 After the two days He went forth from there into Galilee.
JN 4:44 For Jesus Himself testified that a prophet has no honor in his own country.
JN 4:45 So when He came to Galilee, the Galileans received Him, having seen all the things that He did in Jerusalem at the feast; for they themselves also went to the feastHow many of those present and believed in Jesus were baptized on those three days ??
JN 6:51 “ I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh.”
did you find yet a piece of Christ flesh to eat ??
understanding is what we need no blind followers.
Pierre
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2011,20:27) To all, I have no idea how you interpret obey all of Jesus’ teachings but I know it means just what it states. If Jesus teaches me to go take a dip in the pool of Siloam then I do it. I do it because I believe Jesus is King of all things in heaven and earth. One can call that a work if they wish, but that work is born of faith. If you do not do as Jesus teaches then you are not his disciple.
As for salvation God is the judge; not me or you.
One does as Jesus teaches and becomes immersed in water because you believe he is King. You do it to receive the Holy Spirit. That in no way means you are saved though you should be saved on that day. Jesus taught us to obey all his teachings and they do not end with being immersed and receiving the Spirit of God as councilor. It is not the one who receives it but rather the one who walks according to its ways that will saved on that day.
You do realize that a covenant is a contract and those entering into a contract sign their name to seal the agreement. Jesus signed his name with his self sacrifice. You sign your name “by the pledge of a clear conscious toward God”. That is the purpose of being immersed in water.
Kerwin,Jesus NEVER required water baptism in His teachings. Before He ascended He gave His disciples the mandate to 'make disciples baptizing them.' The word 'baptizing' is a participle which modifies the action of the noun 'make disciples.' To make disciples IS to 'baptize.'
Jesus was NOT speaking about water baptism.
KJ
Kangaroo Jack,
Jesus' disciples immersed disciples in water before the Great Command. The Great Command told them to keep doing as they were already doing except that a promise was included.
Kerwin: In, John 9:7, where Jesus put clay on the guy's eyes and the said,…..go, wash in the pool of Siolam…I don't believe that had anything to do whatsoever with Baptism. He told him to go wash the clay off his eyes.
There is no place that I know of where Jesus told someone to be Baptized with water.
Being emmersed in water in no way cleans or clears the conscious toward God. Faith in water will get us nowhere. Faith in the washing of the word/spirit of God cleans you to perfection. IMO, TK
Tim Kraft,
I used the miracle of the healing at the pool of Siloam to demonstrate that faith gives birth to actions. The fact the man washed himself in water to complete the miracle just served as a way to symbolize that being immersed in water can complete the miracle of receiving the Holy Spirit in its role of councilor. We know the man who washed himself in the pool has faith that Jesus could heal him by the power of God and not faith in the water healing him; the same with being immersed in water to receive the Spirit of Love.
Jesus did not baptize his disciples, but his disciples did immerse other disciples with Jesus full knowledge and approval even when he was in his mortal body.
Jesus did teach Nicodemus to be immersed in water though he was speaking only of a baptism of repentance; as the Holy Spirit in its role of councilor had not been sent. He spoke to him as a Jew to a Jew of that time and many do not understand his words today. A Jew of that time would have realized that the purpose of the baptism of that time is pledge of a new spirit towards God. That is what is meant by putting fruit to one’s repentance.
I do not believe that when Jesus said to Nicodemus, you must be “born again” it had anything whatsoever to do with water baptism. The words paraphrased can mean “to recreate your thinking to the new spirit way” If Jesus ever referred to Baptism in any way shape or form it was always “spirit” baptism, the greater baptism of the word of God. Why would Jesus use a lesser baptism when he was the only one with the “spirit” words from God at that time? The disciples of Jesus only baptised with water when the person or persons requested it be done that way. If they were fully aware of a greater baptism taking place with Jesus words they would not have chosen water. IMO, TK
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 31 2011,21:25) Kangaroo Jack, Jesus' disciples immersed disciples in water before the Great Command. The Great Command told them to keep doing as they were already doing except that a promise was included.
Kerwin,They baptized in water because the ceremonial laws of Moses had not yet been abrogated. After God had revealed to Peter that God had cleansed all men there was no more need for water baptism. It was after this that Peter recalled the words of the Lord. You shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”
Please note that after Peter's vision and subsequent recollection of Christ's words that there was no more mention of water in connection with baptisms. All baptisms after that were baptisms with the Holy Spirit.
KJ
Hi Pierre:
You say:
Quote the christian churches leaders are so corrupt in there ways just as Israel leaders were corrupt in there ways at the time of Jesus,but not the law they had received from God ,and so are the scriptures of today,they are not corrupted in spirit that is. While it is true that there are false prophets in the church as well as hypocrites, one cannot make a blanket statement that all church leaders are corrupt. This is not true.
The scriptures warn of of false prophets that come in sheeps clothing but inwardly they are ravening wolves. And the Lord has said, “not all who say Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but they that do the will of my Father who is in heaven. He said, many will say to me in that day, “haven't we preached in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and in thy name did many wonderful works, and I will profess to them away from me you who work iniquity, I never knew you.
And so, there are these, and the Lord has said “you shall know them by their fruits”, and so, we do need to be aware of this, but like I have already stated, make a blanket statement “that all church leaders are corrupt”.
I had a Christian friend who told me that his girlfriend told him that she did not want to go to church because the church was filled with hypocrites, and I advised him to tell her that she should go that she could show them the righteous way to follow Jesus.
And so, I am advising you to do the same. Maybe they will repent and start doing the right thing if they see how righteous you are.
You are baptized in water in the name of Jesus because “YOU” have believed the gospel and have repented, and you want to show publicly that you are united with Christ in his death, burial, and resurrection. Hopefully, the person baptizing you is ordained by God, but even if he is not, it is not what is in his heart that matters but what is in YOURS that matters. He cannot believe or obey God's Word for you.
If God cannot teach you the Word of God and give you understanding through a man, not just any man, but a man that he has ordained to teach the Word of God, then why does he say the following?
Quote Ephesians 4:11And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Of Course, it would be God speaking to you through them by His Holy Spirit.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ April 02 2011,10:51) Hi Pierre: You say:
Quote the christian churches leaders are so corrupt in there ways just as Israel leaders were corrupt in there ways at the time of Jesus,but not the law they had received from God ,and so are the scriptures of today,they are not corrupted in spirit that is. While it is true that there are false prophets in the church as well as hypocrites, one cannot make a blanket statement that all church leaders are corrupt. This is not true.
The scriptures warn of of false prophets that come in sheeps clothing but inwardly they are ravening wolves. And the Lord has said, “not all who say Lord, Lord, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but they that do the will of my Father who is in heaven. He said, many will say to me in that day, “haven't we preached in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and in thy name did many wonderful works, and I will profess to them away from me you who work iniquity, I never knew you.
And so, there are these, and the Lord has said “you shall know them by their fruits”, and so, we do need to be aware of this, but like I have already stated, make a blanket statement “that all church leaders are corrupt”.
I had a Christian friend who told me that his girlfriend told him that she did not want to go to church because the church was filled with hypocrites, and I advised him to tell her that she should go that she could show them the righteous way to follow Jesus.
And so, I am advising you to do the same. Maybe they will repent and start doing the right thing if they see how righteous you are.
You are baptized in water in the name of Jesus because “YOU” have believed the gospel and have repented, and you want to show publicly that you are united with Christ in his death, burial, and resurrection. Hopefully, the person baptizing you is ordained by God, but even if he is not, it is not what is in his heart that matters but what is in YOURS that matters. He cannot believe or obey God's Word for you.
If God cannot teach you the Word of God and give you understanding through a man, not just any man, but a man that he has ordained to teach the Word of God, then why does he say the following?
Quote Ephesians 4:11And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Of Course, it would be God speaking to you through them by His Holy Spirit.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Martyyour advise as been receive from me by many others this is a typical answer.
i have follow Billy graham ,Armstrong ,Jim Baker,J Falwell,and more for 30 years and there news clippings in the paper as well or there magazine,i have met many leaders in religion,until i have gone directly to God for help,then i was in good hands,
in my 50 years with God ,i have seen very predominant leaders fall,and many looked up to those leaders of men,this is what as given them many heartaches if not abandon God ,no man can save you only God can ,if you do not believe that you are on the devil side,
if you can read and you have a bible ,please read it and if you read it with sincerity you will be surprise what it can do for you,it can free you from all those religion what men as created in the name of his son Christ and use scary tactics like if you are not baptized in water you will not be saved,,,,,,
were is that written
God is spirit and we have to worship him in true spirit that is our spirit , so we can meet his spirit of truth.
anyone who as made wealth in this world and exploit a religion does it for the money ,not for God ,but God uses him for his purpose as well ,but God paid them well,
because they have use his word to become rich in the world rather than slave of the word of God and built a treasure of wealth in heaven ,,,,
there is no world wealth in true love because true love only gives it does not take anything.
Pierre
Hi Pierre:
Of course, only God can save us and he has done so through His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.
However, the epistle of James states:
Quote James 2:20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
And so, these scriptures essentially state that if we are believers and do not obey the Word of God we will not be saved.
Water baptism is a work showing that one has believed and has repented and is united with Jesus in his death, burial and resurrection. It is part of the Word of God, and we should obey this part of the Word of God as well as any other part of the Word of God.
Can someone be saved without being baptized in water? Yes, they can if they have not had the opportunity to be baptized, and they have received the Holy Spirit.
Also, I am not the judge as to who is saved and who is not, but I believe that the Word of God states that we should be baptized in water.
Anyway, you can do whatever you want to do regarding this. I have been baptized in water out of what I believe is obedience to the Word of God, and not because any man has dictated that if I have not been baptized I will not be saved. I know that I am saved because the Holy Spirit dwells within me.
Love in Christ,
MartyHi Pierre:
This is what the scripture states about the wealth question:
Quote Deuteronomy 8:18
But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.If we as Christians have wealth, it has come from God to us not that we should hoard it, and live in luxury, but He has given it to us so that “His Kingdom might be established”.
For example, in the Acts of the Apostles there were those who sold their spare lands in order to provide for the Apostles as they went forth to preach the gospel.
Quote Acts 4:31And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness. 32And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
33And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
34Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
35And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (942767 @ April 02 2011,20:27) Hi Pierre: Of course, only God can save us and he has done so through His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.
However, the epistle of James states:
Quote James 2:20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
And so, these scriptures essentially state that if we are believers and do not obey the Word of God we will not be saved.
Water baptism is a work showing that one has believed and has repented and is united with Jesus in his death, burial and resurrection. It is part of the Word of God, and we should obey this part of the Word of God as well as any other part of the Word of God.
Can someone be saved without being baptized in water? Yes, they can if they have not had the opportunity to be baptized, and they have received the Holy Spirit.
Also, I am not the judge as to who is saved and who is not, but I believe that the Word of God states that we should be baptized in water.
Anyway, you can do whatever you want to do regarding this. I have been baptized in water out of what I believe is obedience to the Word of God, and not because any man has dictated that if I have not been baptized I will not be saved. I know that I am saved because the Holy Spirit dwells within me.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Martyso hem I ,I have a clear understanding of Gods word and will,
and I told you my works in God field,
the spirit of truth is in me ,and i believe we have made our position clear to each other ,
and I remain your fellow Christian brother in Christ,
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ April 02 2011,13:43) Quote (942767 @ April 02 2011,20:27) Hi Pierre: Of course, only God can save us and he has done so through His Only Begotten Son and His Christ.
However, the epistle of James states:
Quote James 2:20But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? 21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
And so, these scriptures essentially state that if we are believers and do not obey the Word of God we will not be saved.
Water baptism is a work showing that one has believed and has repented and is united with Jesus in his death, burial and resurrection. It is part of the Word of God, and we should obey this part of the Word of God as well as any other part of the Word of God.
Can someone be saved without being baptized in water? Yes, they can if they have not had the opportunity to be baptized, and they have received the Holy Spirit.
Also, I am not the judge as to who is saved and who is not, but I believe that the Word of God states that we should be baptized in water.
Anyway, you can do whatever you want to do regarding this. I have been baptized in water out of what I believe is obedience to the Word of God, and not because any man has dictated that if I have not been baptized I will not be saved. I know that I am saved because the Holy Spirit dwells within me.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Martyso hem I ,I have a clear understanding of Gods word and will,
and I told you my works in God field,
the spirit of truth is in me ,and i believe we have made our position clear to each other ,
and I remain your fellow Christian brother in Christ,
Pierre
Hi Pierre:I love you and desire the very best that God has to offer for you and your family.
Your brother in Christ,
MartyTo all,
John 3(NIV)
1 Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. 2 He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”
3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”
4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You[c] must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
9 “How can this be?” Nicodemus asked.
10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things?As Jesus implies Nicodemus being a teacher of Scripture should already know what Jesus was speaking about. This is because Jesus was speaking of the immersion in water that sealed a person’s pledge of a clear conscious towards God which John the Baptist and other teachers of Scripture practiced at that time.
Jesus taught Nicodemus ““Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. “, which is a lesson John the Baptist was also teaching. One must put fruit to their pledge unless they violate their pledge to God; even as John the Baptist told the Pharisees and Sadducees that came to him.
Pierre,
You are correct if you are stating that the Jesus teachings are discerned by the being led by the Spirit of God. Those that are led know what the spirit of Jesus’ words is, whether he is phrasing them in mystic words or not.
We are indeed to eat the flesh and drink the blood of Jesus and by believing he is the Anointed of God and obeying all his teachings we do so. He teaches us to cut off our unclean spirit and get a new one created like God in true righteousness and holiness as it is our unclean spirit which causes us to sin.
How many Samaritans and Galatians became Jesus’ disciples in those three days recorded in the event of the woman at the well? According to scripture Jesus’ disciple immersed other of his disciples in water; even more it was said than John the Baptist did.
Remember what Jesus taught Nicodemus, a teacher of Scripture.
That is in John 3
In the same chapter we are also told
John 3(NIV)
22 After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into the Judean countryside, where he spent some time with them, and baptized. 23 Now John also was baptizing at Aenon near Salim, because there was plenty of water, and people were coming and being baptized.
In chapter 4 of John just before the account of him meeting the Samaritan woman at the well we are told.
John 4(NIV)
1 Now Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard that he was gaining and baptizing more disciples than John— 2 although in fact it was not Jesus who baptized, but his disciples. 3 So he left Judea and went back once more to Galilee.
Acts 2:38…From the firs part of Chap.2 on pentecost after the Holy Spirit was poured out Peter stood up and began an explanation of what was happening to the people who had received the Holy Ghost and spoke in multiple languages. He said they are not drunk as ye suppose they are (it was to early in the day)….He continued his disertation and at Chap.2:38 he Baptized them into the name or “the authority” of Jesus Christ! Every one, baptized for the remission of sins and they received the gift of the Holy Spirit. Peter was in the street talking to the multitudes that had gathered. There was no water where they were! At v41 it says there were about three thousand souls…. To even compare water
baptism with spirit Baptism from God is folly. If one is born/recreated in mind to the new way of God/NT, he is born of the spirit words of God through Jesus. The infilling of the Holy Spirit is the words of God, filling the mind and heart of Temple, Church, Body of Christ, Kingdom, within a human being. We become ONE together as the words/spirit becomes flesh of our flesh, and bone of our bone.
This is the spirit/water Jesus told the woman at the well he would give her for eternal life. Going back to the OT ritual ways causing sin and death will reward you with exactly that. We must repent(turn around, from those old, evil, sinful ways! As far as water baptism goes, probably a shower a day is a good idea to keep physically clean! IMO, TK
Quote (942767 @ April 02 2011,20:37) Hi Pierre: This is what the scripture states about the wealth question:
Quote Deuteronomy 8:18
But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.If we as Christians have wealth, it has come from God to us not that we should hoard it, and live in luxury, but He has given it to us so that “His Kingdom might be established”.
For example, in the Acts of the Apostles there were those who sold their spare lands in order to provide for the Apostles as they went forth to preach the gospel.
Quote Acts 4:31And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness. 32And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
33And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
34Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
35And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyQuote This is what the scripture states about the wealth question: Quote
Deuteronomy 8:18
But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.If we as Christians have wealth, it has come from God to us not that we should hoard it, and live in luxury, but He has given it to us so that “His Kingdom might be established”.
this is the scriptures answers;;Mt 6:21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
Mt 13:44 “The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field. When a man found it, he hid it again, and then in his joy went and sold all he had and bought that field.
Mt 19:21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
Mk 10:21 Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
Lk 12:33 Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will not be exhausted, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys.
Lk 12:34 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
Lk 18:22 When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
2Co 4:7 But we have this treasure in jars of clay to show that this all-surpassing power is from God and not from us.
1Ti 6:19 In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life.Jesus is the new view for the true kingdom of God,not the image.
Paul as well says not to seek wealth in the world,just justify them by saying it is for the kingdom is not a clean cut.
baptism is a great part of that wealth it is a garanty of income from the seduced.Pierre
Quote (kerwin @ April 03 2011,02:11) Pierre, You are correct if you are stating that the Jesus teachings are discerned by the being led by the Spirit of God. Those that are led know what the spirit of Jesus’ words is, whether he is phrasing them in mystic words or not.
We are indeed to eat the flesh and drink the blood of Jesus and by believing he is the Anointed of God and obeying all his teachings we do so. He teaches us to cut off our unclean spirit and get a new one created like God in true righteousness and holiness as it is our unclean spirit which causes us to sin.
How many Samaritans and Galatians became Jesus’ disciples in those three days recorded in the event of the woman at the well? According to scripture Jesus’ disciple immersed other of his disciples in water; even more it was said than John the Baptist did.
Remember what Jesus taught Nicodemus, a teacher of Scripture.
That is in John 3
In the same chapter we are also told
John 3(NIV)
22 After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into the Judean countryside, where he spent some time with them, and baptized. 23 Now John also was baptizing at Aenon near Salim, because there was plenty of water, and people were coming and being baptized.
In chapter 4 of John just before the account of him meeting the Samaritan woman at the well we are told.
John 4(NIV)
1 Now Jesus learned that the Pharisees had heard that he was gaining and baptizing more disciples than John— 2 although in fact it was not Jesus who baptized, but his disciples. 3 So he left Judea and went back once more to Galilee.
Kerwinthe Samaritans were not considered Jews,and all who have been baptized by the disciples were Jews.
unless you immerse yourself of God s word and learn what he wants from you,and put his law and love in your heart and live in harmony of his love.
this is baptism not of water but of the spirit of Christ
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ April 04 2011,04:04) Quote (942767 @ April 02 2011,20:37) Hi Pierre: This is what the scripture states about the wealth question:
Quote Deuteronomy 8:18
But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.If we as Christians have wealth, it has come from God to us not that we should hoard it, and live in luxury, but He has given it to us so that “His Kingdom might be established”.
For example, in the Acts of the Apostles there were those who sold their spare lands in order to provide for the Apostles as they went forth to preach the gospel.
Quote Acts 4:31And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness. 32And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
33And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
34Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
35And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyQuote This is what the scripture states about the wealth question: Quote
Deuteronomy 8:18
But thou shalt remember the LORD thy God: for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day.If we as Christians have wealth, it has come from God to us not that we should hoard it, and live in luxury, but He has given it to us so that “His Kingdom might be established”.
this is the scriptures answers;;Mt 6:21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
Mt 13:44 “The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field. When a man found it, he hid it again, and then in his joy went and sold all he had and bought that field.
Mt 19:21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
Mk 10:21 Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
Lk 12:33 Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will not be exhausted, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys.
Lk 12:34 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
Lk 18:22 When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
2Co 4:7 But we have this treasure in jars of clay to show that this all-surpassing power is from God and not from us.
1Ti 6:19 In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life.Jesus is the new view for the true kingdom of God,not the image.
Paul as well says not to seek wealth in the world,just justify them by saying it is for the kingdom is not a clean cut.
baptism is a great part of that wealth it is a garanty of income from the seduced.Pierre
Hi Pierre:This is what the scripture states:
Quote Matthew 6:19-25 (King James Version) 19Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
20But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
21For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
22The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
23But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
24No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Love in Christ,
Marty
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