Is baptism needed for salvation?

[NickHassan]

Hi t,
You may presume for yourself but we offer what scripture shows.
All who responded to the Word were baptised in water.

[terraricca]

hi Nick
Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
this is the scriptures.

[NickHassan]

Hi t,
Indeed John did baptise but not in the name of Jesus[Acts 19]
The apostles baptised in the name of Jesus.[Acts 19]
They were faithful obedient servants.

Jesus also still baptises in the Spirit.

What does that change about God's teaching?

Naaman also initially scoffed at the simple requirements of our God but was not blessed till he obeyed.

[terraricca]

hi nick
tel me something ,Nick, what is the bible and its contend for???

I have a question for you if there is a answer for ,what is the meaning of the miracle of Cana by Jesus

[NickHassan]

Hi t,
The bible is the living teaching of God.

Joy everlasting in him.[Is 55.1]

[terraricca]

hi Nick
you did not answer me or respond

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Perhaps language frustrates you?

[NickHassan]

Hi t,
Jesus used wine to symbolise the body's life blood of the Spirit in the last supper.
The life is in the blood and for those in him the living Spirit is life eternal.
It is freely given without reservation to the obedient.

You must be born again of water and the Spirit.

[terraricca]

hi Nick
sorry, this is in a prophesy to the comming of Christ and related to the word of God ,and the word of live preach by Christ about the kingdom and the apostels . water refers to knowledge from God

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
No doubt you will offer scriptural support for your claims.

[terraricca]

hi Nick
why?

[NickHassan]

Hi t,
Would you hope your ideas would stand without scriptural support??

[terraricca]

Hi nick
you have not shown any scriptures,the only thing is true the Jews were baptised ,and there is an explanation for it,sinse you know that gentiles have to be baptised in water any water(liquid water)and that will bring them live and the Holy spirit.and be then born again.all
this could take less than ten minutes.easy

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
More than Jews were baptised in the book of Acts into the one body of Christ.
God does not have one gate for them and another for gentiles

[terraricca]

hi nick
Co 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
1Co 3:4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
1Co 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
1Co 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
1Co 3:7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
1Co 3:8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

this is what baptism ceremonial does because they miss reality of Christ the true saver

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
Newborns need milk.

But many assume they are more than newborn when they have not yet obeyed the simple command of God.
It is crazy to think they can bypass rebirth and the milk and help themselves to meat.
They will only choke themselves

[terraricca]

hi nick
i let you take your milk now,later we will talk about stakes and solid foods

[NickHassan]

hi T,
Have you yet been through the gate?
If not then why do you offer to feed others?

[terraricca]

hi nick
the gate to go in the pen were christ gather his sheep,yes and i will never leave so it is with me.
i like to share truth, understanding,increace my knowledge in Gods word.

[igorwulff]

Hello, I’m currently looking through baptism. I myself was baptized with the passage written down in Matthew 28:19. However for me at this time it seems to be very conflicting with the baptism in the name of Jesus (Yeshua, etc…).

There is one Hebrew Matthew manuscript, Shem Tob’s, who was opposed to Christians and might (probably has) have changed certain details in his manuscript, which doesn’t include this way of baptism. So I don’t know how reliable it is, especially since ALL the Greek manuscripts have the formula. But Shem Tob’s manuscript doesn’t have the formula in 28:19, but something like: “Go and make disciples in my name” or similar. Eusebius did quote Matthew 28:19 but never with the baptism in the name of the Father, Son, Spirit, prior to Nicea (325), even though Eusebius didn’t always quote a passage exactly the same way… however it is to me very weird that he didn’t quote Matthew 28:19 correctly for about 20 times or so.

Why if the baptism in Matthew 28:19 is the correct one, is it only named in that exact way only once in the bible? There is only one witness to it, itself. So how do you look towards this? Do you interpret this passage differently?

I’ve copied this from some other site which has all (i think) bible references in the NT towards baptism:
I see now that they didn’t include Matthew 28:19

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Matthew 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Name could imply authority… or couldn’t it?

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Matthew 3:5-7 People went out to him from Jerusalem and all Judea and the whole region of the Jordan. Confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River. But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? Matthew 3:11-14 “I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.Baptism with Holy Spirit and fire.  Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” Matthew 3:16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him. Matthew 21:25 John’s baptism—where did it come from? Was it from heaven, or from men?” Mark 1:4-5 And so John came, baptizing in the desert region and preaching a baptism of Baptism of repentance. repentance for the forgiveness of sins. The whole Judean countryside and all the people of Jerusalem went out to him. Confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River. Mark 1:8-10 I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.” At that time Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan. As Jesus was coming up out of the water, he saw heaven being torn open and the Spirit descending on him like a dove. Mark 10:38-39 “You don’t know what you are asking,” Jesus said. “Can you drink the cup I drink or be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with?” “We can,” they answered. Jesus said to them, “You will drink the cup I drink and be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with, Mark 11:30 John’s baptism—was it from heaven, or from men? Tell me!” Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. Luke 3:3 He went into all the country around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. Luke 3:7 John said to the crowds coming out to be baptized by him, “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? Luke 3:16 John answered them all, “I baptize you with water. But one more powerful than I will come, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. Luke 3:21-22 When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as he was praying, heaven was opened and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.” Luke 12:50 But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is completed! Luke 20:4 John’s baptism—was it from heaven, or from men?” Luke 7:29-30 (All the people, even the tax collectors, when they heard Jesus’ words, acknowledged that God’s way was right, because they had been baptized by John. But the Pharisees and experts in the law rejected God’s purpose for themselves, because they had not been baptized by John.) John 1:24-26 Now some Pharisees who had been sent questioned him, “Why then do you baptize if you are not the Christ, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?” “I baptize with water,” John replied, “but among you stands one you do not know. John 1:33 I would not have known him, except that the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’ John 3:22 After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into the Judean countryside, where he spent some time with them, and baptized. John 4:1-3 The Pharisees heard that Jesus was gaining and baptizing more disciples than John, although in fact it was not Jesus who baptized, but his disciples. When the Lord learned of this, he left Judea and went back once more to Galilee. Acts 1:5 For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.” Acts 1:22 beginning from John’s baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection.” Acts 2:37-39 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.” Acts 2:41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day. Acts 8:12-13 But when they believed Philip as he preached the good news of the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Simon himself believed and was baptized. And he followed Philip everywhere, astonished by the great signs and miracles he saw. Acts 8:16 because the Holy Spirit had not yet come upon any of them; they had simply been baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus. Acts 8:36 As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, “Look, here is water. Why shouldn’t I be baptized?” Acts 8:38 And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him. Acts 9& #58;18 Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul’s eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized, Acts 10:37 You know what has happened throughout Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached— Acts 10:47-48 Then Peter said, “Can anyone keep these people from being baptized with water? They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days. Acts 11:16 Then I remembered what the Lord had said: ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ Acts 13:24 Before the coming of Jesus, John preached repentance and baptism to all the people of Israel. Acts 16:15 When she and the members of her household were baptized, she invited us to her home. “If you consider me a believer in the Lord,” she said, “come and stay at my house.” And she persuaded us. Acts 16:33 At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his family were baptized. Acts 18:8 Crispus, the synagogue ruler, and his entire household believed in the Lord; and many of the Corinthians who heard him believed and were baptized. Acts 18:25 He had been instructed in the way of the Lord, and he spoke with great fervor and taught about Jesus accurately, though he knew only the baptism of John. Acts 19:3-6 So Paul asked, “Then what baptism did you receive?” “John’s baptism,” they replied. Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” On hearing this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus. When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied. Acts 22:16 And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.’ Romans 6:3-4 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life. 1 Corinthians 1:13-17 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul? I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, so no one can say that you were baptized into my name. (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.) For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power. 1 Corinthians 10:1-3 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. They all ate the same spiritual food 1 Corinthians 12:13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. 1 Corinthians 15:29 Now if there is no resurrection, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them? Galatians 3:26-28 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Ephesians 4:4-6 There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to one hope when you were called— one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. Colossians 2:12 having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead. 1 Peter 3:20-22 who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge

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