In Jesus pre-existent state, what was He?

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  • #259072
    Ed J
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    Quote (Pastry @ Sep. 22 2011,05:00)
    that still does not connect John 1:1-14 together to be Gods Holy Spirit


    Hi Irene,

    How about these verses then? Do these verses help tie these ideas together?

          the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14)
          compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. (Romans 8:18)

    The Word of the oath, which was since the law,
    maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore. (Hebrews 7:28)

    1Pet.1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of
    incorruptible, by “The Word” of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

    Of his own will begat he us with “The Word” of truth,
    that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. (James 1:18)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #259081
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 21 2011,08:02)
    The Spirit of God is God's Spirit like the spirit of Mike is Mike's spirit; you are not two, are you?


    Hi Ed,

    The spirit OF Mike is not Mike himself, but a possession OF Mike. That's what the word “OF” means, Ed.

    #259091
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 22 2011,09:05)

    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 21 2011,08:02)
    The Spirit of God is God's Spirit like the spirit of Mike is Mike's spirit; you are not two, are you?


    Hi Ed,

    The spirit OF Mike is not Mike himself, but a possession OF Mike.  That's what the word “OF” means, Ed.


    Hi Mike,

    And your point is…

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #259094
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 22 2011,17:21)

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 22 2011,09:05)

    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 21 2011,08:02)
    The Spirit of God is God's Spirit like the spirit of Mike is Mike's spirit; you are not two, are you?


    Hi Ed,

    The spirit OF Mike is not Mike himself, but a possession OF Mike.  That's what the word “OF” means, Ed.


    Hi Mike,

    And your point is…

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    edj

    :laugh: :laugh: :D :D :p

    #259101
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Pierre –  :D  :laugh:  :D

    Ed, the POINT IS:  If something is a POSSESSION OF someone, it is not actually that someone. But thank you very much for not playing the “there is no 'of' in scripture” game again. :)

    #259103
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Sep. 22 2011,11:17)
    Pierre –  :D  :laugh:  :D

    Ed, the POINT IS:  If something is a POSSESSION OF someone, it is not actually that someone.  But thank you very much for not playing the “there is no 'of' in scripture” game again.  :)


    Hi Mike,

    So your spirit is not who you really are, but merely something you possess like a car; is that what you believe?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #259104
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Ed, I am made up of many parts. Body, soul, spirit, legs, tongue, fingernails, etc.

    Just as the fingernails OF Mike are not Mike himself, the spirit OF Mike is not Mike himself.

    #259125
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Mike,

    Can you live without your spirit that you possess?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #259136
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 22 2011,22:01)
    Hi Mike,

    Can you live without your spirit that you possess?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    edj

    I have a better question for you WHAT IS LIVE ?

    DO YOU KNOW ?

    Pierre

    #259147
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi PR,

    Life, save life, quick, Not dead or inanimate, alive

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #259174
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 23 2011,00:38)
    Hi PR,

    Life, save life, quick, Not dead or inanimate, alive

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    edj

    In philosophy and religion, the conception of life and its nature varies. Both offer interpretations as to how life relates to existence and consciousness, and both touch on many related issues, including life stance, purpose, conception of a god or gods, a soul or an afterlife.

    but what is scriptures says it is ??

    Pierre

    #259181
    Pastry
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 22 2011,05:54)

    Quote (Pastry @ Sep. 22 2011,05:00)
    that still does not connect John 1:1-14 together to be Gods Holy Spirit


    Hi Irene,

    How about these verses then? Do these verses help tie these ideas together?

          the glory as of the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14)
          compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. (Romans 8:18)

    The Word of the oath, which was since the law,
    maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore. (Hebrews 7:28)

    1Pet.1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of
    incorruptible, by “The Word” of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

    Of his own will begat he us with “The Word” of truth,
    that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. (James 1:18)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    :D :D :D
    How wrong can you get, comparing other Scriptures to the only begotten Son of the Father….. You believe whatever you want, you do it anyway…. but that does not make it so….. John 1:1-14 is talking about Jesus period…..not us Romans 8:18…

    This next Scripture has nothing to do with John 1:1-14

    Hbr 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, [maketh] the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

    Neither do these…

    1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

    1Pe 1:24 For all flesh [is] as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

    And neither do these.,.. all very good Scriptures, but have nothing to do with John 1:1-14 or Rev. 19……..

    Jam 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

    Jam 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

    Jam 1:19 ¶ Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:

    Jam 1:20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

    #259184
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 21 2011,22:01)
    Hi Mike,

    Can you live without your spirit that you possess?

    God bless
    Ed J


    I couldn't live without at least one of my kidneys, but the kidneys OF Mike are not Mike.

    #259215
    terraricca
    Participant

    Mike

    I could not live without food or drink for a period of time ,but we need food for the body to live ,but scriptures says that it is not enough we need to be fed the word of God to LIVE

    Pierre

    #259532
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    Ed, is the food and drink OF Pierre actually Pierre himself? :)

    Ed needs to learn that the word “OF” indicates a POSSESSION. The Holy Spirit OF God is a POSSESSION OF God.

    #259652
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Mike,

    When God gives you his HolySpirit, is this
    then something else you possess like you
    (according to MikeBoll) possess your spirit?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #259692
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    No Ed.  It is not “Mike's Holy Spirit” after all.  It is God's Holy Spirit.  God moves people BY MEANS OF His Holy Spirit – He doesn't GIVE it to us, as in He doesn't possess it anymore because it is now ours.

    When the Holy Spirit is “given” to you, it does not become YOUR possession and not God's any more.  It's more like God is letting you “partake in” the wonders of HIS Spirit.  IMO

    #259694
    terraricca
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 01 2011,20:02)
    No Ed.  It is not “Mike's Holy Spirit” after all.  It is God's Holy Spirit.  God moves people BY MEANS OF His Holy Spirit – He doesn't GIVE it to us, as in He doesn't possess it anymore because it is now ours.

    When the Holy Spirit is “given” to you, it does not become YOUR possession and not God's any more.  It's more like God is letting you “partake in” the wonders of HIS Spirit.  IMO


    Mike

    I agree with you on this ,the Holy spirit his Gods will ;and his will could use power if needed to be fulfilled ,by miracles ,works,etc

    we only can be partaker by being part of his will

    Pierre

    #259699
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Oct. 01 2011,13:02)
    No Ed.  It is not “Mike's Holy Spirit” after all.  It is God's Holy Spirit.  God moves people BY MEANS OF His Holy Spirit – He doesn't GIVE it to us, as in He doesn't possess it anymore because it is now ours.

    When the Holy Spirit is “given” to you, it does not become YOUR possession and not God's any more.  It's more like God is letting you “partake in” the wonders of HIS Spirit.  IMO


    Hi Mike,

    Does God's spirit then become part of who you are, being birthed in you,
    like your spirit was birthed into you and is who you are; yes or no?

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #259762
    mikeboll64
    Blocked

    No Ed.  God's Holy Spirit remains God's Holy Spirit.  It can ACT IN me, but does not become a part of me.

    And my spirit is what animates my soul and body, but my spirit is not me.

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