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Pierre,
Thank you for not interfering, I do appreciate that! I would like to discuss it with anyone that worships Jesus as the Son who also believes that the Son was begotten before the ages though. That WJ does not agree with even though it is in the creeds that he claims to see as scriptural. The majority of Christians that agree with the trinity do see the Son as the Son before the ages and I would like to discuss with them. That would save a lot of banging my head against a wall.
Kathi! ONe more thing, I don't care how many MEN will go along with you or n this, I will not….no matter what anyone says. I am not a respecter of men. I( respect God and I worship Almighty God only…..I honor Jesus because He is My King of Kings and Lord of Lords….Good night Irene
Quote (t8 @ Nov. 14 2010,15:05) I don't have a problem with any of these points.
I have a problem with later creeds and the enforcement of them.
t8 I am really surprise that you do not disagree with any of those points. You believe in the catholic church? Even though it is written in small letters, I could not find any other church but the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Catholic Churches… They both believe the same things. They both worship Maria and put Her on the same level then Jesus….The Orthodox is stricter then the Roman Catholic is……I ill never ever believe in them again…..IreneHi shimmer, Good morning …..I see you are up bright and early. Did not expect anyone to be here….Have a nice day…..Peace to you Irene
Shimmer,
Your comment was not addressed to me, it did not have my name on it. Irene answered you. I just didn't have anything to say about it. To answer your question about Jesus…I know that Jesus did not hold grudges and He didn't hang around for more stones to be thrown at Him, and He didn't answer every question asked of Him. He mainly poured Himself into those who had a heart to hear Him. When He knew people were against Him, He left town until it was His time to take their abuse and die.Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 15 2010,02:33) To answer your question about Jesus…I know that Jesus did not hold grudges and He didn't hang around for more stones to be thrown at Him, and He didn't answer every question asked of Him. He mainly poured Himself into those who had a heart to hear Him. When He knew people were against Him, He left town until it was His time to take their abuse and die.
Wrong answer.Jesus taught to forgive, love, be humble and meek.
Takes two Kathi. People are all different. You are one type, im another type. In reality, someone could hate me one minute, love me the next, and because they are kind and love me, I forgive them and forget, im easily changed, I dont hold grudges, grudges are childish.
And I also try and try and try, as you would have noticed. And will keep trying. Get annoyed with me, its ok. Sorry, will leave this thread to topic. Bye.
Shimmer, if you have tried and tried then you seem to have a strange perception of you words:
https://heavennet.net/cgi-bin….19;st=0
It seems to me that a log is hanging out of your eye and maybe one of your friends can help you with that. Jesus in his meekness and love walked away from stone throwers. He is my example and I see you as a stone thrower and I seem to be your target. I'm walking away from you instead of fleshing this out with you. I hope someone will be a true friend to you to help you see that log.
Sincerely!Well it's true , what I said. I didnt mean you shared the same beliefs, only that you remind me of him. Whats wrong with saying that ? Bod is my friend actually. You take things too personal, actually thats probably because you hold grudges, so anything the person says will get at you.
fine, bye.
I just have one last thing to say to this nonsense, take a good look at that thread you link to, read the whole thing, what was I doing ? Communicating with you, trying to help you and bod see something different. But you think im going against you and you get all huffy ? Men go against you and you dont mind at all? I give up, seriously.
Help me? LOL. Get all huffy? LOL. You are too much! Giving up…good idea, you should do that Shimmer!
I never whine about being 'ignored' in fact that would be much better, imo. Please ignore me Shimmer, please.
Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 14 2010,15:27) I would like to examine some other creeds also.
Yeah, bring up the original Nicene Creed, complete with the anathema. I have something to say about that one.mike
Quote (Baker @ Nov. 14 2010,12:00) Mike! It is not what the Catholic Church stands for that it is a Universal Church. It is what they do. First of all they worship and pray to Maria. Maria is on the same level to them, as V=Christ is. Secondly the Mass is the abomination talked about in Daniel.. Every Mass is a scarifies. They believe Christs dead only took away the original Sin of Adam. And all other sins committed today need a scarifies….That is why the creed is so wrong. I would never ever say that creed again…..Peace Irene
Hi Irene,Maybe you misunderstood me. The actual word “catholic” simply means “universal”. And I do believe in the universal church of God in which Christ is the head and we are the body……….don't you?
Don't confuse the meaning of “catholic” with the actual Catholic Church of today. You now know me better than to think I believe in a trinity or the worship of Mary and other such nonsense, right?
peace and love,
mikeHi Kathi,
How did you move so fast from this:
Quote Hi Mike,
Maybe this can be a creed we can all agree on then and bring us some unity here in the 'Believer's' section.
To this:Quote I desire now to discuss with those who agree on the worship of Jesus as the Son, not as the Father but as the Son and see Him as begotten from eternal essence and not created of different essence.
How does this creed tell us to worship Jesus? Did I miss something?Yeah, bring up the Nicene Creed next. I want to post what the man who actually penned the words had to say about “same essence” and the anathema.
mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 15 2010,21:03) Quote (Baker @ Nov. 14 2010,12:00) Mike! It is not what the Catholic Church stands for that it is a Universal Church. It is what they do. First of all they worship and pray to Maria. Maria is on the same level to them, as V=Christ is. Secondly the Mass is the abomination talked about in Daniel.. Every Mass is a scarifies. They believe Christs dead only took away the original Sin of Adam. And all other sins committed today need a scarifies….That is why the creed is so wrong. I would never ever say that creed again…..Peace Irene
Hi Irene,Maybe you misunderstood me. The actual word “catholic” simply means “universal”. And I do believe in the universal church of God in which Christ is the head and we are the body……….don't you?
Don't confuse the meaning of “catholic” with the actual Catholic Church of today. You now know me better than to think I believe in a trinity or the worship of Mary and other such nonsense, right?
peace and love,
mike
hi Mikei do not want to be a pain,but could you define what the universal church of Christ is??
Christ +144000= universal church ??
why universal?
would she be not only earthly ??Pierre
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 14 2010,22:10) Hi Kathi, How did you move so fast from this:
Quote Hi Mike,
Maybe this can be a creed we can all agree on then and bring us some unity here in the 'Believer's' section.
To this:Quote I desire now to discuss with those who agree on the worship of Jesus as the Son, not as the Father but as the Son and see Him as begotten from eternal essence and not created of different essence.
How does this creed tell us to worship Jesus? Did I miss something?Yeah, bring up the Nicene Creed next. I want to post what the man who actually penned the words had to say about “same essence” and the anathema.
mike
Mike,
I was speaking about the type I would like to discuss with for a period of time but it wouldn't be on this thread. I know there are boat loads of people that would confess that they worship Jesus and believe He was a Son before the ages and even honor the early church father's but where are they?Anybody out there in reader land that wants to discuss from that foundation?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 15 2010,14:03) Quote (Baker @ Nov. 14 2010,12:00) Mike! It is not what the Catholic Church stands for that it is a Universal Church. It is what they do. First of all they worship and pray to Maria. Maria is on the same level to them, as V=Christ is. Secondly the Mass is the abomination talked about in Daniel.. Every Mass is a scarifies. They believe Christs dead only took away the original Sin of Adam. And all other sins committed today need a scarifies….That is why the creed is so wrong. I would never ever say that creed again…..Peace Irene
Hi Irene,Maybe you misunderstood me. The actual word “catholic” simply means “universal”. And I do believe in the universal church of God in which Christ is the head and we are the body……….don't you?
Don't confuse the meaning of “catholic” with the actual Catholic Church of today. You now know me better than to think I believe in a trinity or the worship of Mary and other such nonsense, right?
peace and love,
mike
Mike! And where did you get the information about the catholic church, or universal church from. Universal simple means catholic. I would first want to find out where they originated from. All Churches started out from the universal church, in the third centuries. Shimmer reminded me that the Orthodox Catholic Church is the original Church, where the Catholic Church came out of. I knew about the Orthodox before, but did not know that the Catholic Church came out of Her. I do not follow any organized Religion any longer, no matter what kind. Sorry but I don't trust any one. I will only go by the Bible, no matter what…..A creed will also not unite us, that is for certain….there are two many different believes on this site….to unite us….therefore I will not take a chance of ever fallen prey to a Church again….. Peace Irene
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