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APOSTLES' CREED
1.I believe in God the Father, Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth:
2.And in Jesus Christ, his only begotten Son, our Lord:
3.Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary:
4.Suffered under Pontius Pilate; was crucified, dead and buried: He descended into hell:
5.The third day he rose again from the dead:
6.He ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty:
7.From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead:
8.I believe in the Holy Ghost
9.I believe in the holy catholic church: the communion of saints:
10.The forgiveness of sins: The resurrection of the body: And the life everlasting. Amen.
Remember to only mark a choice if you disagree with the Apostle's Creed and only mark the one choice that you disagree with the most. If you agree with the entire creed tell us in a post. If you disagree, tell us, and what other points you disagree with and why.
Let's see where this takes us…thanks!
Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 09 2010,14:58) Remember to only mark a choice if you disagree with the Apostle's Creed and only mark the one choice that you disagree with the most. If you agree with the entire creed tell us in a post. If you disagree, tell us, and what other points you disagree with and why. Let's see where this takes us…thanks!
Greetings …..As we well know the apostles Creed or the Nicean Creed was one of the formost outcomes of the councel of Nicea in the 3rd century….The body of this desertation is nothing more than a statement of beliefs absent of any praise or recognition,however,a fabric of piety which quickly developes into a recognition and acceptance of the universal church and its dismal of all that was law starting with the holy days of Lev:23 and the subsequent replacement with pagan days of worship starting with sunday as the sabbath….I do not agree with its premise however the clever wording dictates that it is nothing more than, in part, not its entirety, a statement with some truth…Thanks William and Theodorej for responding. I was told that 'holy catholic church' didn't mean The Catholics per say but the Christian church in general.
Theodorej, which points are not true in your opinion?Here is something about the Greek word translated as Catholic:
The word Catholic is derived from the Greek adjective καθολικός (katholikos), meaning “universal”. In the context of Christian ecclesiology, it has a rich history and several usages.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholichttp://www.google.com/search?….CBsQkAE
Derived from a Greek word meaning universal; may therefore be used to apply to all Christians. When it is used this way, it begins with a lower case “c”; when used with a capital “C” this word usually refers to the Roman Catholic Church.
http://www.elca.org/What-We-Believe/New-or-Returning-to-Church/Glossary-of-Terms.aspxQuote (Lightenup @ Nov. 13 2010,16:26) Here is something about the Greek word translated as Catholic: The word Catholic is derived from the Greek adjective καθολικός (katholikos), meaning “universal”. In the context of Christian ecclesiology, it has a rich history and several usages.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholichttp://www.google.com/search?….CBsQkAE
Derived from a Greek word meaning universal; may therefore be used to apply to all Christians. When it is used this way, it begins with a lower case “c”; when used with a capital “C” this word usually refers to the Roman Catholic Church.
http://www.elca.org/What-We-Believe/New-or-Returning-to-Church/Glossary-of-Terms.aspx
Kathie! It was called the Roman Universal Church first, but then the changed it to the Roman Catholic Church. I don't know when that change happend, I have done no research on it….But Georg did, He is sleeping right now, so I have to wait till tomorrow to adk Him wheeHe found that out….Now I will vote….IreneI had read years ago thay catholic meant universal, which spiritually I agree with, but as the RCC is the first thing to come to mind for most, I chose to disagee with that line.
My opinion – Wm
Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 13 2010,21:18) I had read years ago thay catholic meant universal, which spiritually I agree with, but as the RCC is the first thing to come to mind for most, I chose to disagee with that line. My opinion – Wm
You are right to disagree with what the Catholics believe. Geog thinks that the Mass is the abomination, since that Mass is a scarifies for sins, and crucify Christ all over again….We thank God that He called us out of that Church…But out of the Universal Church came the Catholic Church…..Peace IreneQuote (Baker @ Nov. 14 2010,09:53) Quote (seekingtruth @ Nov. 13 2010,21:18) I had read years ago thay catholic meant universal, which spiritually I agree with, but as the RCC is the first thing to come to mind for most, I chose to disagee with that line. My opinion – Wm
You are right to disagree with what the Catholics believe. Geog thinks that the Mass is the abomination, since that Mass is a scarifies for sins, and crucify Christ all over again….We thank God that He called us out of that Church…But out of the Universal Church came the Catholic Church…..Peace Irene
Ireneuniversal means catholic so catholic means universal ,no??
it was called universal by Constantine because he figures that his empire was universal,and his new pagan oriented religion had to be just that.
that is what i understood from my search on it.
Pierre
Hi All,
I find it all “scriptural”, knowing that “catholic” simply meant “universal”. It still does, but today it doesn't really represent the universal Church of God, but a sect.
I would only take issue with #3. The words they use are “scriptural”, but the meaning is lost in the way they word it, I think.
Jesus was conceived by God………BY MEANS OF His Holy Spirit. That's why, even on earth, Jesus was the Son of GOD, not the Son of the Holy Spirit.
mike
Hi Mike,
Thanks for your opinion. I agree, I also think it is all scriptural with the idea of 'universal.' I would like to know what Gene and Kerwin think about it. What Christian denomination would disagree with this that you are aware of?I can't see where Gene or Kerwin would have a disagreement with it, nor any Christian denomination. Of course, the trinitarians would have to start fast-talking to change the meaning of “only begotten”!
mike
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 14 2010,08:24) Hi All, I find it all “scriptural”, knowing that “catholic” simply meant “universal”. It still does, but today it doesn't really represent the universal Church of God, but a sect.
I would only take issue with #3. The words they use are “scriptural”, but the meaning is lost in the way they word it, I think.
Jesus was conceived by God………BY MEANS OF His Holy Spirit. That's why, even on earth, Jesus was the Son of GOD, not the Son of the Holy Spirit.
mike
Mike! It is not what the Catholic Church stands for that it is a Universal Church. It is what they do. First of all they worship and pray to Maria. Maria is on the same level to them, as V=Christ is. Secondly the Mass is the abomination talked about in Daniel.. Every Mass is a scarifies. They believe Christs dead only took away the original Sin of Adam. And all other sins committed today need a scarifies….That is why the creed is so wrong. I would never ever say that creed again…..Peace Irene
PS I had to ask Georg since I didn't remember why it is so wrong…. He was even an Altar Boy as a small Boy in East Prussia, His Home……Hi Mike,
Maybe this can be a creed we can all agree on then and bring us some unity here in the 'Believer's' section.Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 14 2010,12:01) Hi Mike,
Maybe this can be a creed we can all agree on then and bring us some unity here in the 'Believer's' section.
Kathi! You have no idea what you are getting in to, if you say I believe in the holy Catholic Church….Did you even read my article before you posted this?
You will never have me agree to that. There is no unity here either. And the creed will only make many worship in vain……….Irene.Quote (Baker @ Nov. 13 2010,20:00) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 14 2010,08:24) Hi All, I find it all “scriptural”, knowing that “catholic” simply meant “universal”. It still does, but today it doesn't really represent the universal Church of God, but a sect.
I would only take issue with #3. The words they use are “scriptural”, but the meaning is lost in the way they word it, I think.
Jesus was conceived by God………BY MEANS OF His Holy Spirit. That's why, even on earth, Jesus was the Son of GOD, not the Son of the Holy Spirit.
mike
Mike! It is not what the Catholic Church stands for that it is a Universal Church. It is what they do. First of all they worship and pray to Maria. Maria is on the same level to them, as V=Christ is. Secondly the Mass is the abomination talked about in Daniel.. Every Mass is a scarifies. They believe Christs dead only took away the original Sin of Adam. And all other sins committed today need a scarifies….That is why the creed is so wrong. I would never ever say that creed again…..Peace Irene
PS I had to ask Georg since I didn't remember why it is so wrong…. He was even an Altar Boy as a small Boy in East Prussia, His Home……
Irene,
But what is not scriptural in the creed if it is so wrong and you can't say it? It seems like you are saying that it is wrong because it is associated with the universal church of which the Catholic church is a part of…so guilt by association. That doesn't seem right to say it is wrong. It says nothing about worshipping or praying to Mary or having masses, etc. If the creed is wrong because it is a doctrine that the Catholic Church agrees with, is the Bible wrong too because the Catholic Church agrees with it?Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 14 2010,09:38) I can't see where Gene or Kerwin would have a disagreement with it, nor any Christian denomination. Of course, the trinitarians would have to start fast-talking to change the meaning of “only begotten”! mike
Mike! The Catholic Church believes just like WJ does. The Priest I talked to today said it is because of the trinity, that they believe in the preexisting of Jesus. But He said that Christ always existed, just like WJ believes….IreneIrene,
There is a difference with capitalizing the 'C' in Catholic and not capitalizing the 'c' in catholic. You don't seem to want to recognize that. The capital 'Catholic' indicates the Roman Catholic church, the 'catholic' church indicates the universal church. I suppose if you have only known it in a Catholic church, maybe they capitalized it and meant the Roman Catholic church. I grew up in a non-Catholic church and it was understood that it did not mean the Roman Catholic church but Christian churches in general.Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 14 2010,12:16) Irene,
There is a difference with capitalizing the 'C' in Catholic and not capitalizing the 'c' in catholic. You don't seem to want to recognize that. The capital 'Catholic' indicates the Roman Catholic church, the 'catholic' church indicates the universal church. I suppose if you have only known it in a Catholic church, maybe they capitalized it and meant the Roman Catholic church. I grew up in a non-Catholic church and it was understood that it did not mean the Roman Catholic church but Christian churches in general.
Kathi! The Universal means Catholic. It was the first Church in the third century that after three brutal and bloody persecution Constantine put a stop to it and made it the Church of the Land. It was called d the Universal Church…..It is the same….The creed is a Catholic creed, we said that at least once a year….I know, and I have no idea where you got that….beware wolfs will try to get all of us, no matter what they do….Irene
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