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Ac 15:20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.
Ac 15:21 For Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”
sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.
To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:Greetings.
Ac 15:24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said.
Ac 15:25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul—
Ac 15:26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Ac 15:27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing.
Ac 15:28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:
Ac 15:29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.Farewell
1Co 8:8 But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.
1Co 8:9 Be careful, however, that the exercise of your freedom does not become a stumbling block to the weakexplain this
Quote (Constitutionalist @ Jan. 12 2010,02:50) Quote (ashermoshehthreepointonefour @ Jan. 11 2010,07:26) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 12 2010,02:12) hi ASH
no it is not forbidden to eat pork ,only if you follow the law and believed that you are saved by the law then you can not eat pork and many other things.if you follow the law you are not a Christian you are a Jew according to the flesh.
Hello.The dietary laws are still in full effect as they were back then, for the Jew and for the Gentile.
The Noachide Laws implement basic kosher dietary laws for the Gentile, and is still legally binding.
Abstaining from blood, animals polluted by idolatry, animals that have been tortured or ripped apart while it was alive.
There is no such thing as a kosher slaughter house that deals with pork, therefore the pork consumer has to rely on slaughter houses that do not adhere to the above Noachide Laws.
Blood: the animals has to be completely drained of its blood, and salted. Pork is for the most part not prepared this way.
Polluted by idolatry: we live in the factory farm era, where animals a treated with hatred, violence and for the purpose of making profit and with the absence of love, therefore the evil that comes from this is idolatry
Tortured and/or ripped apart while it was alive: again, we live in the factory farm era, where animals are treated with violence, pumped with chemicals, no compassion, and the conditions of living are inhumane. It is forbidden to cause an animal pain or suffering. The animal must be slaughtered in a specific way so that it ensures that it was cared for and loved throughout its life and was killed without causing pain or suffering. This does not happen at a non-kosher slaughter house.
Small farms may adhere to these laws, but the days of the small farm has almost long gone.
The Christian who does not consider himself/herself a Jew has failed to realize that the New Testament attests to the fact that the Gentile who believes has been grafted into the fold of Israel, they are no longer Gentiles as per the New Testament. And the Torah applies to both Jew and Gentile regardless.
The flesh must live in the Spirit, through action. Faith and spirit without action is pointless.
Absolute truth.
Kinda like the old saying “you are what you eat”.
AMEIN!Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 12 2010,03:05) hi asher
Ac 15:20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.
Ac 15:21 For Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”
sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.
To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:Greetings.
Ac 15:24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said.
Ac 15:25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul—
Ac 15:26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Ac 15:27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing.
Ac 15:28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:
Ac 15:29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.Farewell
1Co 8:8 But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.
1Co 8:9 Be careful, however, that the exercise of your freedom does not become a stumbling block to the weakexplain this
Shalom.Acts 15 Apostles are mentioning the Noachide Laws (minus established justice system which was already in place, and the belief in G-d)
They were bringing the new Gentile believers into Torah the proper way, which begins with the Noachide Laws.
Your translation in 1 Corinthians 8 is pretty off, which version are you quoting from? Yours throws the whole context out of whack.
asher
no i don't translate 1cor 8 wrong what Paul says here that just because you eat pork or beef or chicken,or….. it does not bring you closer to God or we are no worse,but in our freedom of knowledge we may be abusing the ignorance of others and for them we should refrain of doing what we would like to do regarding eating meat or meat that as been offered to idols.as for the law it is done with. the new law is LOVE God and your fellow men.
asher……….the whole concept of clean and unclean meats had little to do with physical health, as it did with spiritual health, God presenting the Principle of distinguishing the difference between what is Spiritually acceptable and what is Not Spiritually acceptable. Remember GOD was dealing with CARNAL MINDED PEOPLE and used CARNAL thing to teach Spiritual principles. God was basically saying in the clean and unclean law , that there was an acceptable form of behavior and an unacceptable form, that men had to pay attention to what they were doing in life in order to not contaminate or defile themselves.
Jesus said it is (NOT) what goes into a Mans mouth that defiles Him but what comes out of the mans mouth , because it proceeds from the heart and the is what defiles the man. Clean and unclean food do not defile a person, it is his mind and heart or SPIRIT (intellect) that defile him and these are expressed by his words. IMO
Quote (Gene @ Jan. 12 2010,09:50) asher……….the whole concept of clean and unclean meats had little to do with physical health, as it did with spiritual health, God presenting the Principle of distinguishing the difference between what is Spiritually acceptable and what is Not Spiritually acceptable. Remember GOD was dealing with CARNAL MINDED PEOPLE and used CARNAL thing to teach Spiritual principles. God was basically saying in the clean and unclean law , that there was an acceptable form of behavior and an unacceptable form, that men had to pay attention to what they were doing in life in order to not contaminate or defile themselves. Jesus said it is (NOT) what goes into a Mans mouth that defiles Him but what comes out of the mans mouth , because it proceeds from the heart and the is what defiles the man. Clean and unclean food do not defile a person, it is his mind and heart or SPIRIT (intellect) that defile him and these are expressed by his words. IMO
Actually it deals with both, if your spiritual health is off kilter is not you physical off as well?On one hand I see many state you can eat what you want cause nothing affects you anymore, then I hear the same folks preach you can't smoke or drink because your body is your temple.
Now don't you find that odd?
Quote (Gene @ Jan. 12 2010,09:50) asher……….the whole concept of clean and unclean meats had little to do with physical health, as it did with spiritual health, God presenting the Principle of distinguishing the difference between what is Spiritually acceptable and what is Not Spiritually acceptable. Remember GOD was dealing with CARNAL MINDED PEOPLE and used CARNAL thing to teach Spiritual principles. God was basically saying in the clean and unclean law , that there was an acceptable form of behavior and an unacceptable form, that men had to pay attention to what they were doing in life in order to not contaminate or defile themselves. Jesus said it is (NOT) what goes into a Mans mouth that defiles Him but what comes out of the mans mouth , because it proceeds from the heart and the is what defiles the man. Clean and unclean food do not defile a person, it is his mind and heart or SPIRIT (intellect) that defile him and these are expressed by his words. IMO
Gene Brother,Now tell me what is that scripture referring too?
“Jesus said it is (NOT) what goes into a Mans mouth that defiles Him but what comes out of the mans mouth , because it proceeds from the heart and the is what defiles the man.”
You are taking that verse and applying it to something he wasn't teaching. He wasn't preaching about food, it was about ceremonial handwashing (tradition of man) and that it did not come from G-d. And he further stated whether or not he washes his hands the food will purge as it always does.
Read the chapter again brother.
Matthew 15:2-3, 6, 8-12, 15-18, 20 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of Yahuweh by your tradition? . . Thus have ye made the commandment of Yahuweh of none effect by your tradition. . . This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with [their] lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men. And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand: Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying? . . Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable. And Yashuw'ah said, Are ye also yet without understanding? Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. . . These are [the things] which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.
The first test of humankind was the food test. (Ge 2:15,17)
The first test of Daniel in Babylon was the food test. (Da 1:8)
The first test after Yashuw'ah began His ministry was the food test. (Mt 4:1-4)
Only those who are faithful in seemingly small matters will pass the greater tests. (Jer 12:5, Mt 25:22,23) (Smaller test example: Da 1:11-20) (Greater test examples: Da 3:16-27, Da 6:10-12,16-22)
The original diet for humankind consisted of seed-bearing plants, fruits, and nuts. (Ge 1:29)
Herb – “A plant or vegetable with a soft or succulent stalk or stem, which dies to the root every year, and is thus distinguished from a tree and a shrub, which have ligneous or hard woody stems. … The word herb comprehends all the grasses, and numerous plants used for culinary purposes.” (Webster's Dictionary 1828)
Herb – “A seed-producing annual, biennial, or perennial that does not develop persistent woody tissue but dies down at the end of a growing season.” (Webster's Collegiate Dictionary 2003)
Herb – “In botany, a herb is a plant that does not produce a woody stem, and in temperate climates usually dies, either completely (annual herb) or back to the roots (perennial herb), at the end of the growing season.” (Wikipedia)
Since all herbs produce seeds and this verse specifically emphasizes herbs bearing seed, the implication is that the seed bearing stages are to serve as food, rather than the non seed-bearing stages. This points to the consumption of whole grains and vegetables, rather than green grasses.
The original diet for humankind was vegetarian.
The original diet for the animals was vegetarian and included the green grasses. (Ge 1:30)
Adam lived 930 years. (Ge 5:5)
After the fall, our diet became more focused around herbs of the field. (Ge 3:17,18)
The tree of life and other trees of the graden of Eden were no longer available. (Ge 3:22-24 compare Ge 2:16,17)
Eating the fruit of trees is convenient and requires little effort.
Eating herbs of the field requires an annual cycle of hard labor, which was one of the prescribed punishments for disobedience. (Ge 3:19)
For humankind, the diet after the fall remained vegetarian.
Methuselah lived 969 years. He was the oldest recorded person. (Ge 5:27)
Noah was aware of the distinction between clean and unclean animals. (Ge 7:1-3)
The clean animals were used for sacrifice. (Ge 8:20)
The flood temporarily destroyed the vegetation, making the eating of meat necessary. (Ge 7:19-24, Ge 8:3-5, Ge 9:1-3)
It was understood that only the clean animals were allowed to be eaten.
Eating an unclean animal would have resulted in the extinction of that species.
After beginning to eat meat the life span steadily declined: 600,438,433,437,239,239,230,148,205 (Ge 11:10-32), 70-80 (Ps 90:10)
The eating of fat and blood were forbidden. (Ge 9:4, Lev 3:17)
Because of transgression, Yahuweh clearly spelled out the diet laws. (Lev 11:46,47, Lev 20:25, Dt 14:3)
Clean animals (Lev 11:2,3,7)
NOT pig – a scavenger that carries trichina worm, which causes trichinosis.
Trichinosis – “infestation with or disease caused by trichinae and marked especially by muscular pain, dyspnea, fever, weakness, and edema” (Webster's Collegiate Dictionary 2003)
Dyspnea – “difficult or labored respiration” (Webster's Collegiate Dictionary 2003)
Edema – “an abnormal infiltration and excess accumulation of serous fluid in connective tissue or in a serous cavity” (Webster's Collegiate Dictionary 2003)
Clean fish (Lev 11:9)
NOT shrimp, lobster – scavengers
NOT clams, oysters, and other shellfish – absorb poisons
NOT squid, eel, catfish
Clean birds (Lev 11:13-19)
NOT birds of prey and scavengers
Clean insects (ONLY certain locusts and beetles) (Lev 11:20-22)
Reptiles (NONE) (Lev 11:41,42) (compare Ge 3:14)
Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah continued to follow the diet laws in Babylon. (Da 1:8,11,12,15)
Yahuweh condemned the priests for teaching that there was no difference between the unclean and the clean. (Eze 22:26,31)
In Yahuweh's plan for a new temple, the priests were to teach the difference between the unclean and the clean. (Eze 44:23)
Even of the pagans, Yahuweh expresses His abhorence of the eating of forbidden foods. (Zec 9:6,7 compare Lev 17:10-12)
The disciples followed the same, Biblical diet laws. (Ac 10:11-14)
The vision was about the Gentiles, not about eating unclean food.
Peter's statement reveals his adherence to the diet laws.
“But Hegesippus, who lived immediately after the apostles, gives the most accurate account in the fifth book of his Memoirs.
He writes as follows: “James, the brother of the Lord, succeeded to the government of the Church in conjunction with the apostles.
He has been called the Just by all from the time of our Saviour to the present day; for there were many that bore the name of James.
He was holy from his mother's womb; and he drank no wine nor strong drink, nor did he eat flesh.”” (Church History, Eusebius, book 2, chap. 23, p. 4)
In the end-time destruction of the wicked, the wicked are described as “eating swine's flesh” and other “abominations”. (Isa 66:16-18,22-24 compare Isa 65:1-5)
Modern Babylon is described as “a cage of every unclean and hateful bird”. (Rev 18:1,2)
In Eden, animals were not eaten by humans nor by other animals. (Ge 1:29,30)
Yahuweh cares about animals. (Dt 25:4, Jnh 4:11, Ps 145:9, Mt 6:26, Mt 10:29)
The righteous are kind to animals, but the wicked are not. (Pr 12:10)
Thou shalt not kill. (Ex 20:13)
The primary application is toward man (Mt 7:12, Mt 22:37-40), but the 6th commandment also appeals for love throughout Yahuweh's entire creation.
There will be no killing of any kind in Heaven. (Isa 11:6-9, Isa 65:25, Rev 21:4)
After the flood, did Yahuweh allow all living things to be eaten? (Ge 9:3)
No
The distinction between clean and unclean animals was already known. (Ge 8:20)
There was a mutual understanding that unclean animals were not candidates for food.
Consider, as an analogy, that people live and move, but cannibalism is obviously not being sanctioned.
Consider that there were seven pairs of each clean type, but only one pair of each unclean type.
Later, when giving health laws through Moses, Yahuweh clearly forbids eating unclean animals.
Did Yashuw'ah say that it does not matter what we eat? (Mt 15:11)
No
The context is eating without first washing the hands (see Mt 15:2 and Mt 15:20).
Yashuw'ah refuted the Pharisees' claim that ceremonial washings affect our purity.
Did Yahuweh tell Peter that all animals were allowed to be killed and eaten? (Ac 10:12-15)
No
The interpretation of the vision shows that its real subject was the Gentiles, not animals. (see Ac 10:28)
Did the controversy over circumcision declare that unclean food was allowed to be eaten? (Ac 15:1,2,19,20,28,29)
No
The controversy was about circumcision.
The disciples were led by the Holy Spirit to immediately correct certain widespread, Gentile violations of Yahuweh's laws (eating food offered to idols, eating strangled animals, eating blood, and fornication).
It was believed that blood could not be adequately removed from an animal whose neck was broken. (Talmud Hullin 113a, Soncino edition, pp. 621, 622)
Concluding that all restraints were abandoned would also conclude that the Ten Commandments were abandoned, which is false.
The continuance of the Ten Commandments is clarified in a later meeting between Paul and the Jerusalem, Christian elders. (Ac 21:17-27)
The Jewish leaders were obsessed with killing Paul not because he was a lawbreaker, but because he proclaimed the resurrection of Yashuw'ah, Whom they crucified. (Ac 23:10-15 ,Ac 24:1,13-16, Ac 25:6-12,17-19, Ac 26:8-23)
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