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No, I am the only Muslim in my family and I wasn’t always, I was a Christian up until around 10 years ago
Got any examples
Hi Ed. Plenty of things can be correct but also wrong. We can do something correctly but it doesn’t mean the thing we are doing is right.
Agreed! 🙂
Hi BD,
Calling satan “God” and then doing his bidding does not make him God.
“YHVH is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble,
and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation. Thus shall ye say unto them,The gods (Bel, ‘al-Lah’, Baal, ect.) that have not made the heavens and the earth,
even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens.” (Jer.10:10-11)_______________
God bless
Ed JHi Miia,
I asked you a question in the new thread I started, would you be so kind as to answer it.
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God bless
Ed JHi BD,
Calling satan “God” and then doing his bidding does not make him God.
“YHVH is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble,
and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation. Thus shall ye say unto them,The gods (Bel, ‘al-Lah’, Baal, ect.) that have not made the heavens and the earth,
even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens.” (Jer.10:10-11)Only Christians ever call Satan any kind of god, that would be blasphemous in Islam but it is acceptable in Christianity.
Elohim is the generic term for God in the Hebrew Bible, translated “God.” Muslims refer to God as “Allah,” which originates from the same etymological root as “Elohim.” ~ http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Yahweh
You have to learn that you shouldn’t make things up but if you do like to lie or make things up, don’t make these things so easy to disprove because it just makes you look bitter. You want to convince people when you should want to reveal the truth at all cost. What if you get an epiphany and realize Allah is the same Elohim as Yahweh/YHVH? Would you ignore it and grieve the Spirit or would you share it and explain to everyone you were wrong but now you understand. This is what happened to Paul in the Bible would you be converted into a powerful speaker for Allah if you realized the Truth that He is your God and my God?
BD –
So Allah is a title? Not a personal name like “Jehovah”.. I guess the same as the word “God”, but in a different language? Just trying to understand.
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No, it is more than a Title and it is not the same as Al-lah, Because Allah is never written in a separated form it is unique it means more than just The God.
Had it been so, then the expression ya Allah (‘O Allah!’) would have been ungrammatical, because according to the Arabic language when you address someone by the vocative form ya followed by a title, the al (‘the’) must be dropped from the title. For example, you cannot say ya ar-rabb but must say ya rabb (for ‘O Lord’). So if the word Allah was al-ilah (‘the God’), we would not be able to say: ya Allah, which we do.
The Bible tells of God giving Moses a new name not known previously to the Israelites which is YHVH and until this very day there is no agreement on how it is pronounced or even how it is written you have YHVH, YHWH, JHVH,JHWH, Jehovah, Yahweh, Yahava,Iehouah, plus many more but the Bible says that :
Zechariah prophesied:
“And the Lord shall be king over all the earth, in that day there shall be one Lord, and his name one.” (Zech. 14:9)
All Muslims, anywhere on the earth, speaking totally different languages, recognise the name “Allah”, thus fulfilling this prophecy, “his name one”. (All Christians, to take an example, do not recognise a single name of God, and therefore do not fulfil this prophecy.)
Although the etymology of Allah and Aleim (Elohim) is inconclusive, it is clear that the Jews, Christians, and Arabs are worshipping the same God or “All in All.” None of these religions would deny that there is ONE source of life, regardless of what names or title The Creator is called.
Did you know that Elohim is Allah? The “im” in Hebrew is a majestic plural for GOD Almighty. The root Word is “Eloh”. And the more original Jews such as Yemenites and others say Alohim or Alah-im. And when you yourself pronounce it, you do naturally pronounce it with a double “l”: Allah. Jews do call Him: Allah-im. Aramaic-speaking people also call GOD Almighty Allah. See the following videos for Biblical references and proofs. Also, pre-Islamic Biblical archeological findings have GOD Almighty as “Allah”. So the Original Holy Name for GOD Almighty is not Eloh. It is Allah! Eloh is a Hebrew dialect, which not all Hebrew speakers use anyway. Allah had always been the Original and Universal GOD Almighty even before birth of Judaism, and the existence Hebrew. And Hebrew is a developed language from Phoenician.
In regards to the mysterious name Jesus said “Hallowed be thy name” but His known Name from the beginning has been the same. And yes, His Name is His Title because there is no other it would be similar to calling Adam “The Man” in the context of there being no other men, which means all His Character and attributes would be in that name and that is the way it is with ALLAH there is no other and the name unlike the name “God” is NEVER written in a plural form, there isn’t a plural form for it.
@BD
Very interesting…and informative! Thanks for sharing. I love to learn about other religions from the horses mouth…instead of listening to what other people try to accuse a religion of believing or doing. Whether I agree with the belief or not…I can’t tell someone what’s true about their own religion. I believe in educating myself so that I do not spew out lies about any religion, or assume any misconceptions. I totally get what your saying about Elohim, as well as the meaning of Allah. That was pretty informative.. I had no idea..Thanks for taking to time to clear up my misconception…Some Christians recognize a single name of God and some do not… Would you agree that not all Muslims believe or translate parts of the Quran the same? Is this what separates the extremist Muslims like those in the middle east from peaceful ones? I hope you don’t mind all the questions.
@BD
Very interesting…and informative! Thanks for sharing. I love to learn about other religions from the horses mouth…instead of listening to what other people try to accuse a religion of believing or doing. Whether I agree with the belief or not…I can’t tell someone what’s true about their own religion. I believe in educating myself so that I do not spew out lies about any religion, or assume any misconceptions. I totally get what your saying about Elohim, as well as the meaning of Allah. That was pretty informative.. I had no idea..Thanks for taking to time to clear up my misconception…Some Christians recognize a single name of God and some do not… Would you agree that not all Muslims believe or translate parts of the Quran the same? Is this what separates the extremist Muslims like those in the middle east from peaceful ones? I hope you don’t mind all the questions.
In all of Mankind you have those who transgress the boundaries some by mistake and others on purpose, this has been the problem since the beginning as Adam and Eve had all they could have ever wanted but chose to transgress the boundaries that were set by ALLAH, Mankind is ever ungrateful and there are many who take some knowledge and use it to control and divide this happens all the time even in professions such as legal or medical they will create their own meanings and language so that they can control others….The Message of God has been simple and continuous since our creation i.e. obey and Love God and respect and love others but mankind often delves into polytheism the idea that they can have a different God that you cannot have access to or understand and so they sell their souls for a miserable price.
Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:”This is from Allah,” to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. ( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #79)
The Children of Israel /Jews were the Chosen people to spread the message of God instead they pushed the notion that they were “The chosen people of God”
Children of Israel! call to mind the (special) favour which I bestowed upon you, and that I preferred you to all other (for My message).
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #47)
We get this happening again in Christianity where the main point is not God, it turns into various versions in which the importance of Christ supercedes His own creator because mankind is ever stubborn and always willing to create their own gods.
The entire purpose of the Quran is to make things clear and explain in detail things that were taken out of context or moved around in the bible
Of the Jews there are those who displace words from their (right) places, and say: “We hear and we disobey”; and “Hear what is not Heard”; and “Ra’ina”; with a twist of their tongues and a slander to Faith. If only they had said: “What hear and we obey”; and “Do hear”; and “Do look at us”; it would have been better for them, and more proper; but Allah hath cursed them for their Unbelief; and but few of them will believe.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #46)
But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few – ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for Allah loveth those who are kind.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #13)
What you find is two extremes you have Jews that keep their religion very closed to outsiders and on the other extreme you have over 39,000 Christian denomination and yes that is a literal figure but Islam only tells the truth
Those who believe (in the Qur’an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #62)
But talk to a Christian or a Jew and it is more like:
The jews say: “The christians have naught (to stand) upon; and the christians say: “The jews have naught (To stand) upon.” Yet they (Profess to) study the (same) Book. Like unto their word is what those say who know not; but Allah will judge between them in their quarrel on the Day of Judgment.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #113
(Both) the jews and the christians say: “We are sons of Allah, and his beloved.” Say: “Why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay, ye are but men,- of the men he hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)”
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #18)
@BD
🙂 I just wanted to know if different Muslims translate parts of the Quran to have a different meaning, and if this is why we see some of the violent groups of the Middle East that we see. But I can dig a lot of what you said there.
The translations are clear, however the extremists usually draw ideas from external sources and extremist philosophies and then quote the Quran out of context sort of how the KKK claim Christianity write their own propaganda and then pick verses out of the bible that are out of context like mixing fabrics equivalent to mixing races or some other far fetched configuration.
It’s like doctors who give antibiotics for viral infections it seems he is doing his job but he is placing antibiotics out of the context of things to do for a virus because antibotics do not treat viral infections and may actually compromise your immune system during this weakened state
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