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Quote (adrian leader @ July 21 2008,17:38) Do you believe that all God pleasing people go to Heaven. If so what did Jesus mean when he said “Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the Earth Adrian Leader
Hi AdrianIt would seem that you have worked out how to use the forum! Welcome.
Good question, by the way. I wonder if some of he fundamentalists here really think that inherting the Earth is the booby prize and is a substitute for inheriting the 'kingdom of heaven'.
Can anyone tell me why, on the subject of calling people fools, Matthew disagrees with a Psalmist, Paul, Luke and… Matthew?
Mat 5:22 Whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
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Psa 14:1, 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.Mat 23:17, 19 Ye fools and blind.
Luke 11:40 Ye fools.
Luke 24:25 O fools, and slow of heart to believe.
Rom:21-22 Their foolish heart was darkened.
1 Cor 15:36 Thou fool.
Galatians 3:1 O foolish Galatians.
(Does it take one to know one?)
Stuart
Quote (adrian leader @ July 21 2008,17:24) Could you please explain how to log in and use the forum Adrian Leader
You have obviously logged in OK, to make your post.When you return, you just need to log in with your user name and password. You may not even need to do that if you haven't wiped out your cookies in your browser.
I also see that you have posted in the test section, so it appears that you are adept enough to make posts.
There is a help button at the top right of the pages if you get stuck and failing that, feel free to post technical questions in the Help Desk area.
=Quote (Stu @ July 21 2008,22:43) Can anyone tell me why, on the subject of calling people fools, Matthew disagrees with a Psalmist, Paul, Luke and… Matthew?
The difference is that one is calling a person a fool and the other is saying something is foolish. If a person does something foolish, then their own foolishness judges them, rather than a person judging them.e.g., are all who lie, liars? The answer is no. Liars do not inherit the Kingdom of God, yet everyone has told lies. Similarly, most people run, but not all are runners.
We all do foolish things from time to time, but not all are fools.
I could for example say that it is foolish to spend your pay on a gambling. That is a fair enough assumption. But I wouldn't probably say to such a person that he is a fool. I would rather say that it is foolish to gamble all your money away and let him judge himself.
Anyway, this is the Helpdesk, so I think if you wish to reply it would be a good idea to create a topic for it in an appropriate forum.
Thanks.
The following verse of scripture that you quoted is speaking of calling a someone in the body of Christ a fool.
Quote Mat 5:22 Whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. The other scriptures relate to an unbeliever.
Quote (942767 @ July 22 2008,12:09) The following verse of scripture that you quoted is speaking of calling a someone in the body of Christ a fool. Quote Mat 5:22 Whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. The other scriptures relate to an unbeliever.
So if an 'unbeliever' falls under the delusion of Paulianity, do all those christians who insulted him with 'fool' then have to retract that lest they invite hellfire? It might be worthwhile keeping a record of all dispensed insults in case I change my mind……still, with hell freezing over there might be less risk of fire.
Stuart
Scripture in no way says that you cannot quote it. If scripture says that the fool says in his heart there is no God, then it is not wrong to quote it. But it is wrong to place your own judgments on a person.
As it stands if scriptures says it and you admit that you do not believe in the existence of a God in fulfillment of that verse, then it is you versus scripture. Not you versus me for example.
I think it would be wrong for me to call you a fool because I think you are stupid or it would be wrong to call you an evil person because I didn't like something about you. But if you admit to something that is written in scripture, then the scripture judges you and it is appropriate to quote it in that case.
The main difference I think is that we shouldn't place our own judgements onto people because God is the ultimate judge and judgment is left to him.
Another example would be me calling you a thief. But if you admitted to compulsive stealing, then by scriptural definition you are a thief. So it is you calling yourself a thief in that case and it is you calling yourself a fool if you say there is no God. Of course you would disagree with that because your defense would be that the scripture is not the truth. But you are entitled to your defense at least.
Anyway for the sake of keeping this thread related to the Help desk, you could start up a new topic (unless one already exists) in the appropriate forum if you wish to discuss further.
Quote Scripture in no way says that you cannot quote it. If scripture says that the fool says in his heart there is no God, then it is not wrong to quote it. But it is wrong to place your own judgments on a person. As it stands if scriptures says it and you admit that you do not believe in the existence of a God in fulfillment of that verse, then it is you versus scripture. Not you versus me for example. I think it would be wrong for me to call you a fool because I think you are stupid or it would be wrong to call you an evil person because I didn't like something about you. But if you admit to something that is written in scripture, then the scripture judges you and it is appropriate to quote it in that case. The main difference I think is that we shouldn't place our own judgements onto people because God is the ultimate judge and judgment is left to him. Another example would be me calling you a thief. But if you admitted to compulsive stealing, then by scriptural definition you are a thief. So it is you calling yourself a thief in that case and it is you calling yourself a fool if you say there is no God. Of course you would disagree with that because your defense would be that the scripture is not the truth. But you are entitled to your defense at least. That is a cop out. Why are you not adding a disclaimer every time you quote. “ ‘…the fool hath…’ , but I don’t think people should be called fools” ? If you don’t really believe it is appropriate to use quoted scripture as your own expression of opinion why don’t you say so with each use of ‘fool hath’? Do you quote scripture you disagree with?? Many of the books on my shelf would describe you as a blithering idiot but I don’t think it would be constructive or appropriate to quote that, with the clear implication that I agree with it (actually I don’t). I guess it just goes to show how ridiculous it is to try and quote from a book that you have decided just must be infallible.
You have not answered the question, by the way. If a person does call a non-believer a fool is he in trouble if that person subsequently becomes a believer? God would know in advance of course, so is there an instant danger of smiting for that fool-caller?
This is a biblical/fantasy problem for believers and I am not actually that interested in the answer!
Stuart
If scripture says for example that the wicked will perish, then I am allowed to believe that and quote it. But I would say that it would be wrong for me to say to you that you were wicked, because that would be using my own judgement against you.
If scripture says that the fool believed that God doesn't exist, then again it is not me that judges you but the scripture. If I called you a fool because I thought you were or because I didn't like you, then I am in danger of passing the same measurement of judgement on myself.
Simple as that.
The fool says in his heart there is no God. Scripture says it, I believe it. In fact it is not even something that I choose to believe whilst not understanding it. I completely understand that it is foolish to believe that there is no God.
I would also say that it was foolish to ride on the roof of a car or to gamble your life savings in one bet at a casino.
Hi T8 & Nick ,
I've been having trouble changing my password. I follow the instructions to get a code and phase two; I get an password. I sign in , then try to change the password and it gets lost and I have to start over again. Is their an time period for me to wait before I try to change the password you gave me ?
Sincerely , thehappymanOnce you are logged in, click on the “Your Control Panel ” link.
From there, click on the last tab called “Modify Account”.Fill the form out with your email address, then old password, followed by your new one, and the new one a second time.
If you have done this and it doesn't work, please let me know.
=Hi T8
I'm having the same problem. I went to modify account and it wouldn't allow me to change passwords. Then I had to go thru the process again . And if I leave the password you gave me , after I sign in it dosen't work after that . Please help me .thehappyman I recall that I had somewhat the same problem and could not log in either, until I changed my users name. Try this hopefully it works. I do miss you and would like for you to come back.
Peace and Love Irene
You should be able to just change the password to whatever you want under the Control Panel link. You will be asked to type your existing password in, and then your new one and then confirming the new password, (entering it twice).
I just changed my one now to see if that feature was working and it worked.
thehappyman, you obviously logged in when you made your post above.
You don't need to request a new password because that is done when you cannot remember your password and cannot log in.
Changing your password needs no intervention and is immediate. See my instructions, a few post above this one.
Hi T8,
Partner , 10 emails it took for me to sign using your temp password . I am now going to try again to change mine , and yes I'll follow your instructions.
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