How much should we love jesus?

[GeneBalthrop]

BD………if someone ask for money for food You can alway take him to get food or assist him or her. Paul said ” I have told you before and will tell you again He that doesn't work should not eat. Pan handling can be a easy life for the lazy. I think every situation need special consideration, but to aid someone to remain lazy is not really helping them either. Laziness is a real plague of people. WE all are to a point lazy, but most have been taught to work for a living. But some can become depressed and Just give up and really don't care anymore. The have no vision , “where there is no vision the people Parish”, and “hope deferred makes the heart sick”.

These are all judgement call one needs to think about when dealing with our fellow brothers and sisters. Nothing grieves me more then seeing someone with no hope, or a little child sick or desolate or abused. I saw this news report once in the streets of Baghdad these two little girls about four or five years old was standing in the street and bullets and bombs were going of all around the place, the one little girls did not know what to do so one just reached out her little hand and held the hands of the other little girl, it broke my heart so bad i wept like a little baby and cries out O GOD i hate war. This burned into my mind and i can still see it now in my mind, tear still stream down my face when i think of it. GOD HELP US ALL.

Love and peace to you and yours……………………..gene

[bodhitharta]

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 21 2009,15:42)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 21 2009,14:47) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 20 2009,15:00) Hi BD: You are not helping someone if you are helping them to destroy their body.  To help someone to continue in their drug habit would not be acting in love. Love in Christ, Marty I would have to assume what they were doing with the money and that is evil. Feeding someone could be assisting them to do evil, what if someone asks for food so they can have enough strength to rob or kill someone? Don't guess just love because satan is the one that wants to accuse men before God day and night but God is so merciful He even says: Proverbs 31:6-7 (King James Version) 6 Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts. 7 Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more. Yes, you want to go in comfort thinking yourself righteous while those perishing suffer but the scripture says to do something different so don't judge If you are to be a bishop then: Proverbs 31 3 Give not thy strength unto women, nor thy ways to that which destroyeth kings. 4It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink: 5 Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted. So understand that the strong is not like the weak and you must treat them accordingly. God Bless You! Hi BD: You say: Quote Yes, you want to go in comfort thinking yourself righteous while those perishing suffer but the scripture says to do something different so don't judge If you are to be a bishop then: This is a pretty strong accusation don't you think?  I am righteous only because of what God has done for me in the person of Jesus Christ my Lord. I am not seeking any glory for myself by telling you that at the present and for the past several months I have been giving a tithe of my income to a ministry to the people of the poor country of Haiti, but since you are accusing me, I thought maybe this would help. Also, I have shared the gospel with whomever will hear since I was born again in February 1980, including 13 years in a street ministry. I have also shared the gospel with you out my love for you. God has said that He would use me as a Bishop, and I am here to obey Him.  I hope that is good enough for you.  It is good enough for me. Love in Christ, Marty

Just don't forget to have Compassion and Mercy while moving up through the ranks.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Gene @ Oct. 21 2009,16:49)

BD………if someone ask for money for food You can alway take him to get food or assist him or her. Paul said ” I have told you before and will tell you again He that doesn't work should not eat. Pan handling can be a easy life for the lazy. I think every situation need special consideration, but to aid someone to remain lazy is not really helping them either. Laziness is a real plague of people. WE all are to a point lazy, but most have been taught to work for a living. But some can  become depressed and Just give up and really don't care anymore. The have no vision , “where there is no vision the people Parish”, and “hope deferred makes the heart sick”. These are all judgement call one needs to think about when dealing with our fellow brothers and sisters. Nothing grieves me more then seeing someone with no hope, or a little child sick or desolate or abused. I saw this news report once in the streets of Baghdad these two little girls about four or five years old was standing in the street and bullets and bombs were going of all around the place, the one little girls did not know what to do so one just reached out her little hand and held the hands of the other little girl, it broke my heart so bad i wept like a little baby and cries out O GOD i hate war. This burned into my mind and i can still see it now in my mind, tear still stream down my face when i think of it. GOD HELP US ALL. Love and peace to you and yours……………………..gene

Jesus said give to those who ask and Paul says those who don't work should not eat, who is right?

Should no man have eaten on the Sabbath when no work is permitted?

Perhaps Paul meant something different else he contradicts what Jesus teaches

[942767]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 22 2009,06:03)

Quote (Gene @ Oct. 21 2009,16:49) BD………if someone ask for money for food You can alway take him to get food or assist him or her. Paul said ” I have told you before and will tell you again He that doesn't work should not eat. Pan handling can be a easy life for the lazy. I think every situation need special consideration, but to aid someone to remain lazy is not really helping them either. Laziness is a real plague of people. WE all are to a point lazy, but most have been taught to work for a living. But some can  become depressed and Just give up and really don't care anymore. The have no vision , “where there is no vision the people Parish”, and “hope deferred makes the heart sick”. These are all judgement call one needs to think about when dealing with our fellow brothers and sisters. Nothing grieves me more then seeing someone with no hope, or a little child sick or desolate or abused. I saw this news report once in the streets of Baghdad these two little girls about four or five years old was standing in the street and bullets and bombs were going of all around the place, the one little girls did not know what to do so one just reached out her little hand and held the hands of the other little girl, it broke my heart so bad i wept like a little baby and cries out O GOD i hate war. This burned into my mind and i can still see it now in my mind, tear still stream down my face when i think of it. GOD HELP US ALL. Love and peace to you and yours……………………..gene Jesus said give to those who ask and Paul says those who don't work should not eat, who is right? Should no man have eaten on the Sabbath when no work is permitted? Perhaps Paul meant something different else he contradicts what Jesus teaches

Hi BD:

And so, what did Jesus mean by saying give to them that ask, and what did the Apostle Paul mean when he said, “if a man does not work neither should he eat”? Was Paul saying that because they rested from their work on the Sabbath, they could not eat?

Love in Christ,
Marty

[942767]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 22 2009,05:56)

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 21 2009,15:42) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 21 2009,14:47) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 20 2009,15:00) Hi BD: You are not helping someone if you are helping them to destroy their body.  To help someone to continue in their drug habit would not be acting in love. Love in Christ, Marty I would have to assume what they were doing with the money and that is evil. Feeding someone could be assisting them to do evil, what if someone asks for food so they can have enough strength to rob or kill someone? Don't guess just love because satan is the one that wants to accuse men before God day and night but God is so merciful He even says: Proverbs 31:6-7 (King James Version) 6 Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts. 7 Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more. Yes, you want to go in comfort thinking yourself righteous while those perishing suffer but the scripture says to do something different so don't judge If you are to be a bishop then: Proverbs 31 3 Give not thy strength unto women, nor thy ways to that which destroyeth kings. 4It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink: 5 Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted. So understand that the strong is not like the weak and you must treat them accordingly. God Bless You! Hi BD: You say: Quote Yes, you want to go in comfort thinking yourself righteous while those perishing suffer but the scripture says to do something different so don't judge If you are to be a bishop then: This is a pretty strong accusation don't you think?  I am righteous only because of what God has done for me in the person of Jesus Christ my Lord. I am not seeking any glory for myself by telling you that at the present and for the past several months I have been giving a tithe of my income to a ministry to the people of the poor country of Haiti, but since you are accusing me, I thought maybe this would help. Also, I have shared the gospel with whomever will hear since I was born again in February 1980, including 13 years in a street ministry. I have also shared the gospel with you out my love for you. God has said that He would use me as a Bishop, and I am here to obey Him.  I hope that is good enough for you.  It is good enough for me. Love in Christ, Marty Just don't forget to have Compassion and Mercy while moving up through the ranks.

Hi BD:

That is good advice. Thank you very much.

Love in Christ,
Maraty

[bodhitharta]

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 22 2009,11:58)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 22 2009,06:03) Quote (Gene @ Oct. 21 2009,16:49) BD………if someone ask for money for food You can alway take him to get food or assist him or her. Paul said ” I have told you before and will tell you again He that doesn't work should not eat. Pan handling can be a easy life for the lazy. I think every situation need special consideration, but to aid someone to remain lazy is not really helping them either. Laziness is a real plague of people. WE all are to a point lazy, but most have been taught to work for a living. But some can  become depressed and Just give up and really don't care anymore. The have no vision , “where there is no vision the people Parish”, and “hope deferred makes the heart sick”. These are all judgement call one needs to think about when dealing with our fellow brothers and sisters. Nothing grieves me more then seeing someone with no hope, or a little child sick or desolate or abused. I saw this news report once in the streets of Baghdad these two little girls about four or five years old was standing in the street and bullets and bombs were going of all around the place, the one little girls did not know what to do so one just reached out her little hand and held the hands of the other little girl, it broke my heart so bad i wept like a little baby and cries out O GOD i hate war. This burned into my mind and i can still see it now in my mind, tear still stream down my face when i think of it. GOD HELP US ALL. Love and peace to you and yours……………………..gene Jesus said give to those who ask and Paul says those who don't work should not eat, who is right? Should no man have eaten on the Sabbath when no work is permitted? Perhaps Paul meant something different else he contradicts what Jesus teaches Hi BD: And so, what did Jesus mean by saying give to them that ask, and what did the Apostle Paul mean when he said, “if a man does not work neither should he eat”?  Was Paul saying that because they rested from their work on the Sabbath, they could not eat? Love in Christ, Marty

It appears that Jesus meant to give charity without judgement and that Paul was speaking about taking from the community as one who ministers to the community without earning it.

[942767]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 22 2009,15:42)

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 22 2009,11:58) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 22 2009,06:03) Quote (Gene @ Oct. 21 2009,16:49) BD………if someone ask for money for food You can alway take him to get food or assist him or her. Paul said ” I have told you before and will tell you again He that doesn't work should not eat. Pan handling can be a easy life for the lazy. I think every situation need special consideration, but to aid someone to remain lazy is not really helping them either. Laziness is a real plague of people. WE all are to a point lazy, but most have been taught to work for a living. But some can  become depressed and Just give up and really don't care anymore. The have no vision , “where there is no vision the people Parish”, and “hope deferred makes the heart sick”. These are all judgement call one needs to think about when dealing with our fellow brothers and sisters. Nothing grieves me more then seeing someone with no hope, or a little child sick or desolate or abused. I saw this news report once in the streets of Baghdad these two little girls about four or five years old was standing in the street and bullets and bombs were going of all around the place, the one little girls did not know what to do so one just reached out her little hand and held the hands of the other little girl, it broke my heart so bad i wept like a little baby and cries out O GOD i hate war. This burned into my mind and i can still see it now in my mind, tear still stream down my face when i think of it. GOD HELP US ALL. Love and peace to you and yours……………………..gene Jesus said give to those who ask and Paul says those who don't work should not eat, who is right? Should no man have eaten on the Sabbath when no work is permitted? Perhaps Paul meant something different else he contradicts what Jesus teaches Hi BD: And so, what did Jesus mean by saying give to them that ask, and what did the Apostle Paul mean when he said, “if a man does not work neither should he eat”?  Was Paul saying that because they rested from their work on the Sabbath, they could not eat? Love in Christ, Marty It appears that Jesus meant to give charity without judgement and that Paul was speaking about taking from the community as one who ministers to the community without earning it.

Hi BD:

Jesus was speaking of giving alms to those who were lacking the necessities of life, food, drink, clothing, shelter, and Paul was saying that if a man is able to work, but he does not want to work, he should not eat.

As for the Apostle Paul taking from the community, he was a tent maker and for the most part supported himself through this work.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[bodhitharta]

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 23 2009,12:01)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 22 2009,15:42) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 22 2009,11:58) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 22 2009,06:03) Quote (Gene @ Oct. 21 2009,16:49) BD………if someone ask for money for food You can alway take him to get food or assist him or her. Paul said ” I have told you before and will tell you again He that doesn't work should not eat. Pan handling can be a easy life for the lazy. I think every situation need special consideration, but to aid someone to remain lazy is not really helping them either. Laziness is a real plague of people. WE all are to a point lazy, but most have been taught to work for a living. But some can  become depressed and Just give up and really don't care anymore. The have no vision , “where there is no vision the people Parish”, and “hope deferred makes the heart sick”. These are all judgement call one needs to think about when dealing with our fellow brothers and sisters. Nothing grieves me more then seeing someone with no hope, or a little child sick or desolate or abused. I saw this news report once in the streets of Baghdad these two little girls about four or five years old was standing in the street and bullets and bombs were going of all around the place, the one little girls did not know what to do so one just reached out her little hand and held the hands of the other little girl, it broke my heart so bad i wept like a little baby and cries out O GOD i hate war. This burned into my mind and i can still see it now in my mind, tear still stream down my face when i think of it. GOD HELP US ALL. Love and peace to you and yours……………………..gene Jesus said give to those who ask and Paul says those who don't work should not eat, who is right? Should no man have eaten on the Sabbath when no work is permitted? Perhaps Paul meant something different else he contradicts what Jesus teaches Hi BD: And so, what did Jesus mean by saying give to them that ask, and what did the Apostle Paul mean when he said, “if a man does not work neither should he eat”?  Was Paul saying that because they rested from their work on the Sabbath, they could not eat? Love in Christ, Marty It appears that Jesus meant to give charity without judgement and that Paul was speaking about taking from the community as one who ministers to the community without earning it. Hi BD: Jesus was speaking of giving alms to those who were lacking the necessities of life, food, drink, clothing, shelter, and Paul was saying that if a man is able to work, but he does not want to work, he should not eat. As for the Apostle Paul taking from the community, he was a tent maker and for the most part supported himself through this work. Love in Christ, Marty

You misunderstand the scriptures Paul admittedly used some donations to move forward with his goal and did not earn from all he took from. Jesus also stated that you should give the gospel freely so Paul and Jesus are not saying the same thing.

Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
Matthew 10:7-9

Paul even backs this up saying:

He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
Romans 8:31-33

To be given freely is to be given without merit or “earning” whatever is given.

All people have the right to eat whether they work or not, therefore Paul was talking about those who traveled with him and caused more trouble than good.

I am fire bishop you will pass through these fires and be purified.

[942767]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 23 2009,13:51)

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 23 2009,12:01) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 22 2009,15:42) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 22 2009,11:58) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 22 2009,06:03) Quote (Gene @ Oct. 21 2009,16:49) BD………if someone ask for money for food You can alway take him to get food or assist him or her. Paul said ” I have told you before and will tell you again He that doesn't work should not eat. Pan handling can be a easy life for the lazy. I think every situation need special consideration, but to aid someone to remain lazy is not really helping them either. Laziness is a real plague of people. WE all are to a point lazy, but most have been taught to work for a living. But some can  become depressed and Just give up and really don't care anymore. The have no vision , “where there is no vision the people Parish”, and “hope deferred makes the heart sick”. These are all judgement call one needs to think about when dealing with our fellow brothers and sisters. Nothing grieves me more then seeing someone with no hope, or a little child sick or desolate or abused. I saw this news report once in the streets of Baghdad these two little girls about four or five years old was standing in the street and bullets and bombs were going of all around the place, the one little girls did not know what to do so one just reached out her little hand and held the hands of the other little girl, it broke my heart so bad i wept like a little baby and cries out O GOD i hate war. This burned into my mind and i can still see it now in my mind, tear still stream down my face when i think of it. GOD HELP US ALL. Love and peace to you and yours……………………..gene Jesus said give to those who ask and Paul says those who don't work should not eat, who is right? Should no man have eaten on the Sabbath when no work is permitted? Perhaps Paul meant something different else he contradicts what Jesus teaches Hi BD: And so, what did Jesus mean by saying give to them that ask, and what did the Apostle Paul mean when he said, “if a man does not work neither should he eat”?  Was Paul saying that because they rested from their work on the Sabbath, they could not eat? Love in Christ, Marty It appears that Jesus meant to give charity without judgement and that Paul was speaking about taking from the community as one who ministers to the community without earning it. Hi BD: Jesus was speaking of giving alms to those who were lacking the necessities of life, food, drink, clothing, shelter, and Paul was saying that if a man is able to work, but he does not want to work, he should not eat. As for the Apostle Paul taking from the community, he was a tent maker and for the most part supported himself through this work. Love in Christ, Marty You misunderstand the scriptures Paul admittedly used some donations to move forward with his goal and did not earn from all he took from. Jesus also stated that you should give the gospel freely so Paul and Jesus are not saying the same thing. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. Matthew 10:7-9 Paul even backs this up saying: He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Romans 8:31-33 To be given freely is to be given without merit or “earning” whatever is given. All people have the right to eat whether they work or not, therefore Paul was talking about those who traveled with him and caused more trouble than good. I am fire bishop you will pass through these fires and be purified.

Hi BD:

I said that Paul for the most part supported himself through the profession of tent making.  Did Jesus eat during his ministry?  Did not the people sell their properties so that they could send the Apostles to preach the gospel?

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1Cr 9:6   Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?   1Cr 9:7   Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?   1Cr 9:8   Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?   1Cr 9:9   For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?   1Cr 9:10   Or saith he [it] altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, [this] is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.   1Cr 9:11   If we have sown unto you spiritual things, [is it] a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?   1Cr 9:12   If others be partakers of [this] power over you, [are] not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.   1Cr 9:13   Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live [of the things] of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?   1Cr 9:14   Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.   1Cr 9:15   But I have used none of these things: neither have I written these things, that it should be so done unto me: for [it were] better for me to die, than that any man should make my glorying void.   1Cr 9:16   For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!   1Cr 9:17   For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation [of the gospel] is committed unto me.   1Cr 9:18   What is my reward then? [Verily] that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.   1Cr 9:19 ¶ For though I be free from all [men], yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.

Someone in full time ministry is working for God.  Should he not get paid for his labor?

When Jesus sent out the Apostles to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, He did tell them “freely you have received, freely give”, but t
hey were supposed to stay and eat in someone's house along the way.

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Mat 10:10   Nor scrip for [your] journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.   Mat 10:11   And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.

God said that he would bring me through the fire.  You aren't a problem.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[bodhitharta]

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 23 2009,16:11)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 23 2009,13:51) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 23 2009,12:01) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 22 2009,15:42) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 22 2009,11:58) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 22 2009,06:03) Quote (Gene @ Oct. 21 2009,16:49) BD………if someone ask for money for food You can alway take him to get food or assist him or her. Paul said ” I have told you before and will tell you again He that doesn't work should not eat. Pan handling can be a easy life for the lazy. I think every situation need special consideration, but to aid someone to remain lazy is not really helping them either. Laziness is a real plague of people. WE all are to a point lazy, but most have been taught to work for a living. But some can  become depressed and Just give up and really don't care anymore. The have no vision , “where there is no vision the people Parish”, and “hope deferred makes the heart sick”. These are all judgement call one needs to think about when dealing with our fellow brothers and sisters. Nothing grieves me more then seeing someone with no hope, or a little child sick or desolate or abused. I saw this news report once in the streets of Baghdad these two little girls about four or five years old was standing in the street and bullets and bombs were going of all around the place, the one little girls did not know what to do so one just reached out her little hand and held the hands of the other little girl, it broke my heart so bad i wept like a little baby and cries out O GOD i hate war. This burned into my mind and i can still see it now in my mind, tear still stream down my face when i think of it. GOD HELP US ALL. Love and peace to you and yours……………………..gene Jesus said give to those who ask and Paul says those who don't work should not eat, who is right? Should no man have eaten on the Sabbath when no work is permitted? Perhaps Paul meant something different else he contradicts what Jesus teaches Hi BD: And so, what did Jesus mean by saying give to them that ask, and what did the Apostle Paul mean when he said, “if a man does not work neither should he eat”?  Was Paul saying that because they rested from their work on the Sabbath, they could not eat? Love in Christ, Marty It appears that Jesus meant to give charity without judgement and that Paul was speaking about taking from the community as one who ministers to the community without earning it. Hi BD: Jesus was speaking of giving alms to those who were lacking the necessities of life, food, drink, clothing, shelter, and Paul was saying that if a man is able to work, but he does not want to work, he should not eat. As for the Apostle Paul taking from the community, he was a tent maker and for the most part supported himself through this work. Love in Christ, Marty You misunderstand the scriptures Paul admittedly used some donations to move forward with his goal and did not earn from all he took from. Jesus also stated that you should give the gospel freely so Paul and Jesus are not saying the same thing. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. Matthew 10:7-9 Paul even backs this up saying: He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Romans 8:31-33 To be given freely is to be given without merit or “earning” whatever is given. All people have the right to eat whether they work or not, therefore Paul was talking about those who traveled with him and caused more trouble than good. I am fire bishop you will pass through these fires and be purified. Hi BD: I said that Paul for the most part supported himself through the profession of tent making.  Did Jesus eat during his ministry?  Did not the people sell their properties so that they could send the Apostles to preach the gospel? Quote 1Cr 9:6   Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?   1Cr 9:7   Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?   1Cr 9:8   Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?   1Cr 9:9   For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?   1Cr 9:10   Or saith he [it] altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, [this] is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.   1Cr 9:11   If we have sown unto you spiritual things, [is it] a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?   1Cr 9:12   If others be partakers of [this] power over you, [are] not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.   1Cr 9:13   Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live [of the things] of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?   1Cr 9:14   Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.   1Cr 9:15   But I have used none of these things: neither have I written these things, that it should be so done unto me: for [it were] better for me to die, than that any man should make my glorying void.   1Cr 9:16   For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!   1Cr 9:17   For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation [of the gospel] is committed unto me.   1Cr 9:18   What is my reward then? [Verily] that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.   1Cr 9:19 ¶ For though I be free from all [men], yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more. Someone in full t ime ministry is working for God.  Should he not get paid for his labor? When Jesus sent out the Apostles to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, He did tell them “freely you have received, freely give”, but they were supposed to stay and eat in someone's house along the way. Quote Mat 10:10   Nor scrip for [your] journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.   Mat 10:11   And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence. God said that he would bring me through the fire.  You aren't a problem. Love in Christ, Marty

I don't want to be a problem at all, I love you I want you to be fully prepared and strengthened.

I have already told you that I love and support your every endeavor.

The Holy Spirit of God has never told me anything but good things about you.

[terraricca]

to all
it is sad to see you interpretation of  the scriptures and negociate  there application,fisrt in Mat;5-11
tels you “DO NOT GO TO THE GENTILES” Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.now this is why Christ as said what he said in verse 10 but he did not said to share there whealth but the gift that they ad recieved freely
from God and the good news that the son of God told them abode,
Just a remainder Jesus came first for Israel lost sheep only after is dead the way was open to the gentiles .
another remainder the entire bible tell us that unless we accept God conditions and apply them in are mind and hearth so that we may be changed into a person acceptable to him,fail to do so your have a dead penalty (if any of you can contredict this statement I would like to know)
Regarding Paul statement mean in reality it is your responsability to take care of you own needs ,because if you dont you can not ask someone els to do it for you ,in many countrys help for those in need is provited with taxe money and other organisations ,donations.
who do you have to love the most? well this is a very simple question so there is a simple answer like this;God is the father of all the rightious ones including Jesus Christ all brothers and sisters ,but one is the oldes, the first born ,the servant of younger brothers ,look what christ said in Mt;20-25-28 You know that the rulers of the gentiles lord it over them,and their officials exercise authority over them .NOT SO WHIT YOU(THRUE BELIEVER),INSTEAD,WHOEVER WANTS TO BECOME GREAT AMONG YOU MUST BE YOUR SERVANT-AND WHOEVER WANTS TO BE FIRST MUST BE YOUR SLAVE-JUST AS THE SON OF MAN DID NOT COME TO BE SERVED, BUT TO SERVE AND TO GIVE HIS LIFE AS A RANSOM FOR MANY(NOT THE ALL OF HUMAN KIND)
A remainder that your emotion are not to be trusted as being totaly reliable and thrutfull said Proverbs.

[942767]

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Quote (942767 @ Oct. 23 2009,16:11) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 23 2009,13:51) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 23 2009,12:01) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 22 2009,15:42) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 22 2009,11:58) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 22 2009,06:03) Quote (Gene @ Oct. 21 2009,16:49) BD………if someone ask for money for food You can alway take him to get food or assist him or her. Paul said ” I have told you before and will tell you again He that doesn't work should not eat. Pan handling can be a easy life for the lazy. I think every situation need special consideration, but to aid someone to remain lazy is not really helping them either. Laziness is a real plague of people. WE all are to a point lazy, but most have been taught to work for a living. But some can  become depressed and Just give up and really don't care anymore. The have no vision , “where there is no vision the people Parish”, and “hope deferred makes the heart sick”. These are all judgement call one needs to think about when dealing with our fellow brothers and sisters. Nothing grieves me more then seeing someone with no hope, or a little child sick or desolate or abused. I saw this news report once in the streets of Baghdad these two little girls about four or five years old was standing in the street and bullets and bombs were going of all around the place, the one little girls did not know what to do so one just reached out her little hand and held the hands of the other little girl, it broke my heart so bad i wept like a little baby and cries out O GOD i hate war. This burned into my mind and i can still see it now in my mind, tear still stream down my face when i think of it. GOD HELP US ALL. Love and peace to you and yours……………………..gene Jesus said give to those who ask and Paul says those who don't work should not eat, who is right? Should no man have eaten on the Sabbath when no work is permitted? Perhaps Paul meant something different else he contradicts what Jesus teaches Hi BD: And so, what did Jesus mean by saying give to them that ask, and what did the Apostle Paul mean when he said, “if a man does not work neither should he eat”?  Was Paul saying that because they rested from their work on the Sabbath, they could not eat? Love in Christ, Marty It appears that Jesus meant to give charity without judgement and that Paul was speaking about taking from the community as one who ministers to the community without earning it. Hi BD: Jesus was speaking of giving alms to those who were lacking the necessities of life, food, drink, clothing, shelter, and Paul was saying that if a man is able to work, but he does not want to work, he should not eat. As for the Apostle Paul taking from the community, he was a tent maker and for the most part supported himself through this work. Love in Christ, Marty You misunderstand the scriptures Paul admittedly used some donations to move forward with his goal and did not earn from all he took from. Jesus also stated that you should give the gospel freely so Paul and Jesus are not saying the same thing. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. Matthew 10:7-9 Paul even backs this up saying: He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Romans 8:31-33 To be given freely is to be given without merit or “earning” whatever is given. All people have the right to eat whether they work or not, therefore Paul was talking about those who traveled with him and caused more trouble than good. I am fire bishop you will pass through these fires and be purified. Hi BD: I said that Paul for the most part supported himself through the profession of tent making.  Did Jesus eat during his ministry?  Did not the people sell their properties so that they could send the Apostles to preach the gospel? Quote 1Cr 9:6   Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?   1Cr 9:7   Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?   1Cr 9:8   Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?   1Cr 9:9   For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?   1Cr 9:10   Or saith he [it] altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, [this] is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.   1Cr 9:11   If we have sown unto you spiritual things, [is it] a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?   1Cr 9:12   If others be partakers of [this] power over you, [are] not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.   1Cr 9:13   Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live [of the things] of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?   1Cr 9:14   Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.   1Cr 9:15   But I have used none of these things: neither have I written these things, that it should be so done unto me: for [it were] better for me to die, than that any man should make my glorying void.   1Cr 9:16   For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!   1Cr 9:17   For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation [of the gospel] is committed unto me.   1Cr 9:18   What is my reward then? [Verily] that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my powe r in the gospel.   1Cr 9:19 ¶ For though I be free from all [men], yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more. Someone in full time ministry is working for God.  Should he not get paid for his labor? When Jesus sent out the Apostles to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, He did tell them “freely you have received, freely give”, but they were supposed to stay and eat in someone's house along the way. Quote Mat 10:10   Nor scrip for [your] journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.   Mat 10:11   And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence. God said that he would bring me through the fire.  You aren't a problem. Love in Christ, Marty I don't want to be a problem at all, I love you I want you to be fully prepared and strengthened. I have already told you that I love and support your every endeavor. The Holy Spirit of God has never told me anything but good things about you.

Hi BD:

All I can say, “is that I am loved, I am loved, I can risk loving you, for the ONE who knows me best loves me most”.

“Greater love hath no man than this, that he should lose his life for his friends.” Jesus is my example.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[bodhitharta]

Quote (942767 @ Oct. 24 2009,12:35)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 23 2009,17:49) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 23 2009,16:11) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 23 2009,13:51) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 23 2009,12:01) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 22 2009,15:42) Quote (942767 @ Oct. 22 2009,11:58) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 22 2009,06:03) Quote (Gene @ Oct. 21 2009,16:49) BD………if someone ask for money for food You can alway take him to get food or assist him or her. Paul said ” I have told you before and will tell you again He that doesn't work should not eat. Pan handling can be a easy life for the lazy. I think every situation need special consideration, but to aid someone to remain lazy is not really helping them either. Laziness is a real plague of people. WE all are to a point lazy, but most have been taught to work for a living. But some can  become depressed and Just give up and really don't care anymore. The have no vision , “where there is no vision the people Parish”, and “hope deferred makes the heart sick”. These are all judgement call one needs to think about when dealing with our fellow brothers and sisters. Nothing grieves me more then seeing someone with no hope, or a little child sick or desolate or abused. I saw this news report once in the streets of Baghdad these two little girls about four or five years old was standing in the street and bullets and bombs were going of all around the place, the one little girls did not know what to do so one just reached out her little hand and held the hands of the other little girl, it broke my heart so bad i wept like a little baby and cries out O GOD i hate war. This burned into my mind and i can still see it now in my mind, tear still stream down my face when i think of it. GOD HELP US ALL. Love and peace to you and yours……………………..gene Jesus said give to those who ask and Paul says those who don't work should not eat, who is right? Should no man have eaten on the Sabbath when no work is permitted? Perhaps Paul meant something different else he contradicts what Jesus teaches Hi BD: And so, what did Jesus mean by saying give to them that ask, and what did the Apostle Paul mean when he said, “if a man does not work neither should he eat”?  Was Paul saying that because they rested from their work on the Sabbath, they could not eat? Love in Christ, Marty It appears that Jesus meant to give charity without judgement and that Paul was speaking about taking from the community as one who ministers to the community without earning it. Hi BD: Jesus was speaking of giving alms to those who were lacking the necessities of life, food, drink, clothing, shelter, and Paul was saying that if a man is able to work, but he does not want to work, he should not eat. As for the Apostle Paul taking from the community, he was a tent maker and for the most part supported himself through this work. Love in Christ, Marty You misunderstand the scriptures Paul admittedly used some donations to move forward with his goal and did not earn from all he took from. Jesus also stated that you should give the gospel freely so Paul and Jesus are not saying the same thing. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. Matthew 10:7-9 Paul even backs this up saying: He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Romans 8:31-33 To be given freely is to be given without merit or “earning” whatever is given. All people have the right to eat whether they work or not, therefore Paul was talking about those who traveled with him and caused more trouble than good. I am fire bishop you will pass through these fires and be purified. Hi BD: I said that Paul for the most part supported himself through the profession of tent making.  Did Jesus eat during his ministry?  Did not the people sell their properties so that they could send the Apostles to preach the gospel? Quote 1Cr 9:6   Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?   1Cr 9:7   Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?   1Cr 9:8   Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?   1Cr 9:9   For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?   1Cr 9:10   Or saith he [it] altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, [this] is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.   1Cr 9:11   If we have sown unto you spiritual things, [is it] a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?   1Cr 9:12   If others be partakers of [this] power over you, [are] not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.   1Cr 9:13   Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live [of the things] of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?   1Cr 9:14   Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.   1Cr 9:15   But I have used none of these things: neither have I written these things, that it should be so done unto me: for [it were] better for me to die, than that any man should make my glorying void.   1Cr 9:16   For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!   1Cr 9:17   For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation [of the gospel] is committed unto me.   1Cr 9:18   What is my reward then? [Verily] that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.   1Cr 9:19 ¶ For though I be free from all [men], yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more. Someone in full time ministry is working for God.  Should he not get paid for his labor? When Jesus sent out the Apostles to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, He did tell them “freely you have received, freely give”, but they were supposed to stay and eat in someone's house along the way. Quote Mat 10:10   Nor scrip for [your] journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.   Mat 10:11   And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence. God said that he would bring me through the fire.  You aren't a problem. Love in Christ, Marty I don't want to be a problem at all, I love you I want you to be fully prepared and strengthened. I have already told you that I love and support your every endeavor. The Holy Spirit of God has never told me anything but good things about you. Hi BD: All I can say, “is that I am loved, I am loved, I can risk loving you, for the ONE who knows me best loves me most”. “Greater love hath no man than this, that he should lose his life for his friends.”  Jesus is my example. Love in Christ, Marty

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MARK And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment. And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

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MATTHEW Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

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LUKE And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

Seems God get's first place!

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Quote (georg @ Oct. 10 2009,18:47) thinker (I believe we should love Jesus the same as we love God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength.) That is not what Jesus said, but he did say, “he who loves father or mother more than me, is not worthy of me”. Georg God is our Father and Christ is our Husband. Do you love your father more than your husband? Furthermore, in the old testament Israel's Husband was God. The same is true in the new testament. thinker

I love God more than my wife! Without God I would not have my wife!

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Quote (thethinker @ Oct. 10 2009,20:17)

Quote (georg @ Oct. 10 2009,18:47) thinker (I believe we should love Jesus the same as we love God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength.) That is not what Jesus said, but he did say, “he who loves father or mother more than me, is not worthy of me”. Georg Explain how much less we are to love Jesus and how you come to your conclusion. thinker

Is there a scale of measurement?

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Quote (princess of the king @ Oct. 13 2009,18:34)

Thinker, yes you must present scriptures and preach like this to establish your god, this is well known and seen many times over in your post. Christ has commanded us, he makes no demands. How you represent Christ; thinker, is like an ungrateful child, demanding that everyone love him more than Christ's Father and my Father. When it is clearly written in Matthew: `Teacher, which is the great command in the Law?' Christ said to him, `Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thine understanding this is a first and great command;

He is trying to make Christ God.

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TT are you Pedro Primavera?

[NickHassan]

Hi WJ,
You know how we in Christ are meant to do everything in his name then in whose name do you preferentially worship the Son of God?

[RokkaMan]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 25 2009,05:03)

Hi WJ, You know how we in Christ are meant to do everything in his name then in whose name do you preferentially worship the Son of God?

You don't worship Jesus in anyone's name.
You worship The Father in Jesus' Name.

Jesus is the bridge from Mankind to YHWH…you must cross the bridge if you are to get to YHWH.

But without that bridge you could never get to YHWH, so that bridge needs to be respected. But even more so, respect the one who built the bridge.

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