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Okay men, here's a topic that is sure to piss off the women but please look at the Bible and not me.
Before we get to a specific number let's ask some basic questions:
If something was wrong in the OT did God not punish it or speak against it?
Now I'll give some examples and stories.
Abraham, the father of the faith (haha) couldn't wait for God's promises so he and his wife brought Hagar into him and she conceived producing Ishmael. Later his wife was sorry because she was despised….not for what she did mind you.
Now why was God “silent” on the matter? Oh, yes, He wasn't he told Abraham not to worry about it because He was going to bless Ishmael and make him a great nation and 12 princes.
What's that you say, “That was before the 10 commandments and the one about not commiting adultery, etc.
Fast forwarding a few hundred years to after the time of Moses…..
David, the man (beloved) after God's own heart had 7 wives and 3 concubines. Not to be outdone his son had 1,000.
Funny isn't it that Jesus is called the “son of David”? Why would he be associated with such a horrible person….didn't he know that God wanted man to have only one woman?
Jesus talked about a man divorcing his wife but didn't talk against having multiple wives.
He indirectly spoke against homosexuality because God's purpose was to multiply and fill the earth.
Jesus loved the sinner…..and so did his God Romans 5:8.
Oh, that was before Jesus' time…fast forwarding again…
An elder must have only ONE wife…..practice was having many wives at the time. But a leader of the flock should only have one.
If you are not going to be a leader, how many could a man have?
I know this may sound a bit ludicrous but let's start at the beginning, Genesis, how many times does it show that a man had multiple wives? How many times was it spoken against?
The father of the faith wasn't chastised he was praised and all of the families of the earth will be his children…..
David = beloved (I knew there was something I liked about that name)
Solomon = wisest man on earth.
Let's not forget about God's people the 12 tribes of Israel: How many wives? How many concubines? Doesn't God know that multiple wives is wrong? How could he bless such a bigamist and even call them His people?
Oh JA for even more stupidity…How many slaves are we allowed to have? God made His people slaves for their own benefit…..By the way Paul told the slaves to be good slaves… (Joseph was sold as a slave….)
Hopefully, this is an interesting subject….and will bring responses.
What does the Bible say, “Truth or Tradition”?
David
PS, please don't attack me, it serves no purpose…..attack the Thread and the Bible. Prove what you think by using the Bible. How many?
Wives must be a pretty good thing for them to want so many! Makes ya wonder why the women didn't want a bunch of men…I guess that doesn't say much for the men. Hmmm…
The Bible says that the TWO shall become ONE flesh.
Quote (Lightenup @ July 25 2010,10:45) Wives must be a pretty good thing for them to want so many! Makes ya wonder why the women didn't want a bunch of men…I guess that doesn't say much for the men. Hmmm… The Bible says that the TWO shall become ONE flesh.
You're so right….men are dogs….First 3 commandments from God dealt with…….
Be fruitful
Multiply
Fill the earthAnd who does it best? Women.
David
Quote (Lightenup @ July 25 2010,10:45) Wives must be a pretty good thing for them to want so many! Makes ya wonder why the women didn't want a bunch of men…I guess that doesn't say much for the men. Hmmm… The Bible says that the TWO shall become ONE flesh.
Kathi,Where does it say that the TWO are ONE God?
Yours is in Gen 2:24.
David
TO ALL…………….There is no limit to how many wife a man can have it is not sin to have many wives, according to scripture, but it does causes her to sin by putting her away, because it cause her to commit Adultery . How (because it causes her to become unfaithful to her covenant she made with her husband). Adultery is not what most think it is, most only see it as having sex outside of marriage but scripture shows Adultery as (BREAKING OF COVENANT) IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SEX. However the (LUST) of Sex can be the cause of Adultery. Jesus said if a man put away his wife (HE) causes her to commit adultery, and If a women puts away her husband she cases him to commit adultery (break covenant).
When a women marries a man she gives up her separate identity (her name changes to that of her husband) she becomes under his power so to speak and his responsibility to provide for. She is bound to her husband in covenant She no longer has a separate identity but identified with her husbands identity. A women will leave her father and become one with her husband. Scripturally speaking if a man can support and desires more then one wife he can have more, but do you think for a moment that would not present many problems for him and his other wives and his childern also. Look at Jacob and His wifes and his children's problems. How about Sarah and Hagar also. While polygamy is not a sin it is one hell of a way to live and you better have a dam good job not to mention nerves of steel. IMO
This will probably start a fire ball here but none the less Adultery is the Breaking of Covenant ONLY and nothing else. Many get it mixed up with Fornication. IMO
peace and love to you all………………………….gene
Gene,
Bravo! To the point and on topic.
But what about this,,,,one wife is sufficient problems,,,why multiply them?
And don't get me started on the husbands…..
David
Db…………………No two people will ever see everything exactly alike IMO, rather married or not. I have to laugh at people who say they never have a armaments or disagreements, in their marriages that to me is a big lie and a Joke. As far as i am concerned after my experience in life i believe One wife is plenty, I personally believe a man or women is better off single as Paul said , but if they can not contain they should marry and they have not sinned by marring, if they so chose.
Now there are some who were born uniques and some who were made uniques by men, and some who God makes uniques for the kingdom of God's sake. But as Paul said, marriage is good but a man who can contain himself is better of in his opinion and , IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 25 2010,05:30) Db…………………No two people will ever see everything exactly alike IMO, rather married or not. I have to laugh at people who say they never have a armaments or disagreements, in their marriages that to me is a big lie and a Joke. As far as i am concerned after my experience in life i believe One wife is plenty, I personally believe a man or women is better off single as Paul said , but if they can not contain they should marry and they have not sinned by marring, if they so chose. Now there are some who were born uniques and some who were made uniques by men, and some who God makes uniques for the kingdom of God's sake. But as Paul said, marriage is good but a man who can contain himself is better of in his opinion and , IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
The primary reason Paul remained single was because of the great persecution he was under. A wife would have been put in harms way and used against him. Paul could have married if he chose and God would have used him in a different manner. It was Paul's choice. He chose the cellebit life to further the gospel. The same is true of Christ.Also knowing human nature and the traditions we still hold in our lives and to avoid stumbling others it is not wise to have multiple wives or husband.
I have seen interviews with mormons that when finally deprogramed admit to deep resentment of their husbands and jelousy of the other wives. Why tempt God?DavidBFun,
You seem to have stripped all the points where god is angry with those who committed Adulterous Sin.
Abraham 'lost' Ishmael, who he loved (It was only his Wife didn't love Ishmael) but because God had made an [unbreakable] Covenant with Abraham that from his loins would come kings God could not break the covenant without being called a liar
David was punished for taking another wife with the child dying and David in mourning for an overly long period of time while the child was sick.
Solomon had many wives but by far the majority were POLITICAL wives – he never actually slept with them. Kings were given daughters of other kings as political alliance – to unite two families, tribes, nations, etc.
Having more than one wife was permitted because of WAR and men getting killed left many women widowed. Having no husband meant that woman was destitute of she had no other family (Hence Jesus' compassion with the Widow who's only son had died)
D, you speak as a disaffected female. Please reveal yourself, your true self.
Your arguments are Pro-female – feminist almost, well, not almost, actual, but yet you claim that you are male.
Not sure who you posting SLAVES to – but what has that got to do with anything?
We are all “slaves” to one person or another – Define “Slave”!
Jesus says that whatever you are do that is good it to the best of your ability in the manner of your master but put God first above all things.
Jesus also say that the slave master should likewise treat his slave with dignity
for each is born to a station and in that station is the test of your self to god's word. The Rich are tested with vice, avarice, wealth, fineries, glutton, selfisness; the poor are tested with lacking, vice, impoverishment; desire, foolishness, procrastination, slovenness, dis integrity; the Free are tested with precrastinatiion and lanquishment of Freedom and the Slave is tested with being in bondage and lowliness of Slavery.Two is just enough for me but three would be nice.
Did you say children – I can't remember – what was the question again?
Quote (JustAskin @ July 25 2010,17:45) Two is just enough for me but three would be nice. Did you say children – I can't remember – what was the question again?
Must be blonde, like me? I think.In America we are trying to do away with the traditional standard of what constitutes marriage.
Many women wasn't enough for men, now they want men.
When is God going to destroy the good ole USA?
Wait, He is in the process, watch closely.
Quote (martian @ July 25 2010,14:37) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 25 2010,05:30) Db…………………No two people will ever see everything exactly alike IMO, rather married or not. I have to laugh at people who say they never have a armaments or disagreements, in their marriages that to me is a big lie and a Joke. As far as i am concerned after my experience in life i believe One wife is plenty, I personally believe a man or women is better off single as Paul said , but if they can not contain they should marry and they have not sinned by marring, if they so chose. Now there are some who were born uniques and some who were made uniques by men, and some who God makes uniques for the kingdom of God's sake. But as Paul said, marriage is good but a man who can contain himself is better of in his opinion and , IMO
peace and love to you and yours……………………gene
The primary reason Paul remained single was because of the great persecution he was under. A wife would have been put in harms way and used against him. Paul could have married if he chose and God would have used him in a different manner. It was Paul's choice. He chose the cellebit life to further the gospel. The same is true of Christ.Also knowing human nature and the traditions we still hold in our lives and to avoid stumbling others it is not wise to have multiple wives or husband.
I have seen interviews with mormons that when finally deprogramed admit to deep resentment of their husbands and jelousy of the other wives. Why tempt God?
Hi Martian,I was taught in college that Paul was married and his wife was sick and he waited 14 years until her death before taking his act on the road.
Tradition was that to be a Rabbi a man had to be at least 26, and married…and Paul listed his credentials fo who he studied under.
Jesus was called Rabbi, was he married?
If not, how could he be like us in every way? And know what it is like…..
Odd how we will be the “Bride” of Christ…..how many will that make for him?
David
DavidBFun,
If you are Male then stop talking like a woman (sorry ladies – I mean 'stop posting as if you are a female…', I mean… oh, you know what i mean…)
martian……….A married man cares about things of his wife and a married women cares about the things of her husband, but he who is not married cares about thing pertaining to GOD, Paul's said. If you like i can quote all the scriptures dealing with this subject. there are quit a few, and Paul not being married had nothing to do with his dangerous circumstances, Because he understood the danger of the other Apostles and Disciples were under at that time as well as his. IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………………..gene
Quote (davidbfun @ July 25 2010,03:47) You're so right….men are dogs…. First 3 commandments from God dealt with…….
Be fruitful
Multiply
Fill the earthAnd who does it best? Women.
David
OK, you are entitled to your opinion that you are a dog.But others disagree that they are dogs.
I guess we are all entitled to our opinions.
Quote (JustAskin @ July 25 2010,17:42) DavidBFun, You seem to have stripped all the points where god is angry with those who committed Adulterous Sin.
Abraham 'lost' Ishmael, who he loved (It was only his Wife didn't love Ishmael) but because God had made an [unbreakable] Covenant with Abraham that from his loins would come kings God could not break the covenant without being called a liar
David was punished for taking another wife with the child dying and David in mourning for an overly long period of time while the child was sick.
Solomon had many wives but by far the majority were POLITICAL wives – he never actually slept with them. Kings were given daughters of other kings as political alliance – to unite two families, tribes, nations, etc.
Having more than one wife was permitted because of WAR and men getting killed left many women widowed. Having no husband meant that woman was destitute of she had no other family (Hence Jesus' compassion with the Widow who's only son had died)
D, you speak as a disaffected female. Please reveal yourself, your true self.
Your arguments are Pro-female – feminist almost, well, not almost, actual, but yet you claim that you are male.
Not sure who you posting SLAVES to – but what has that got to do with anything?
We are all “slaves” to one person or another – Define “Slave”!
Jesus says that whatever you are do that is good it to the best of your ability in the manner of your master but put God first above all things.
Jesus also say that the slave master should likewise treat his slave with dignity
for each is born to a station and in that station is the test of your self to god's word. The Rich are tested with vice, avarice, wealth, fineries, glutton, selfisness; the poor are tested with lacking, vice, impoverishment; desire, foolishness, procrastination, slovenness, dis integrity; the Free are tested with precrastinatiion and lanquishment of Freedom and the Slave is tested with being in bondage and lowliness of Slavery.
Hi JA,You make many valid points, thanks.
But none of them were punishments because of the many women. They were consequences for actions.
David killed Uriah.
Sarah threw out Ishmael…probably because of Hagar's haughtiness and taunting.There are now more wars than ever so more wives should be allowed.
Gene, I think, spoke well about warning against “discarding' women/wives….we are to take care of them…as Christ loves us.
Men have very little self control because of the first 3 commandments of God in Gen 1:26 & 28; that's why I called men “dogs”. lol
I am an all male “hot dog”.
I live in Colombia and the culture is Catholic. However, it's safe to say that over 80% of the married men have girlfriends on the side….which is also part of the culture and displayed on all the TV shows and in life. Women know of it but only want to make sure the paycheck stays within the family and look the other way.
Almost all nations have laws against bigamy but I don't see anything against it in the Bible.
One of the biggest problem in my little city is that of fornication and having babies outside of marriage. The problem is the girl gets stuck with a baby and the guy takes off to another city.
Quote (Lightenup @ July 24 2010,10:45) Wives must be a pretty good thing for them to want so many! Makes ya wonder why the women didn't want a bunch of men…I guess that doesn't say much for the men. Hmmm… 
Hi:
How man wives did God make for Adam? If he intended for man to have more than one, would he have not made more than one for Adam?
Jesus said the following:
Quote Matthew 19:4And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, thathe which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
And so, it was not God's intent for a man to have more than one wife, but he did allow men their freedom to learn from their mistakes. It is hard enough to keep one wife happy.
Love in Christ,
Marty
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