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Quote (gsilva72 @ May 25 2008,08:04) To all, God said he would preserve his word. I guess if these so called “corrupt” scholars were able to change the word to fit these Trinitarian views as some on this web site have claimed, then God is a liar! But the word of God says ” let God be true and every man a liar! So if all these Bibles are “corrupt as some claim on this site, then which one do we use? Or do we just trash these Bibles since the scholars were corrupt as some claim! I believe in the way John 1:1 was written. In the begining was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God! That has exisited far longer than the New world Translation Version John 1:1 In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
By the way the New World Translation claims in John 1:2 This one was in [the] beginning with God. It doesn't say as a thought or idea! Show me where in that scripture it says he is a thought or an idea! It doesn't!
Hi gsilva72:Does the following scripture denote a plan before any action is taken?
Quote Gen 1:26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. Quote (942767 @ May 25 2008,09:15) Quote (gsilva72 @ May 25 2008,08:04) To all, God said he would preserve his word. I guess if these so called “corrupt” scholars were able to change the word to fit these Trinitarian views as some on this web site have claimed, then God is a liar! But the word of God says ” let God be true and every man a liar! So if all these Bibles are “corrupt as some claim on this site, then which one do we use? Or do we just trash these Bibles since the scholars were corrupt as some claim! I believe in the way John 1:1 was written. In the begining was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God! That has exisited far longer than the New world Translation Version John 1:1 In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
By the way the New World Translation claims in John 1:2 This one was in [the] beginning with God. It doesn't say as a thought or idea! Show me where in that scripture it says he is a thought or an idea! It doesn't!
Hi gsilva72:Does the following scripture denote a plan before any action is taken?
Quote Gen 1:26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Hi 94Was God talking to a “plan”? Who is the “Us” in the verse?
Yes the “us” had a plan, but the “us” was not the plan!
Blessings!
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 25 2008,09:55) Quote (942767 @ May 25 2008,09:15) Quote (gsilva72 @ May 25 2008,08:04) To all, God said he would preserve his word. I guess if these so called “corrupt” scholars were able to change the word to fit these Trinitarian views as some on this web site have claimed, then God is a liar! But the word of God says ” let God be true and every man a liar! So if all these Bibles are “corrupt as some claim on this site, then which one do we use? Or do we just trash these Bibles since the scholars were corrupt as some claim! I believe in the way John 1:1 was written. In the begining was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God! That has exisited far longer than the New world Translation Version John 1:1 In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
By the way the New World Translation claims in John 1:2 This one was in [the] beginning with God. It doesn't say as a thought or idea! Show me where in that scripture it says he is a thought or an idea! It doesn't!
Hi gsilva72:Does the following scripture denote a plan before any action is taken?
Quote Gen 1:26 ¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Hi 94Was God talking to a “plan”? Who is the “Us” in the verse?
Yes the “us” had a plan, but the “us” was not the plan!
Blessings!
Hi Bro. WJ:I in the past thought that God might be talking to the spirit of His Son, but now I believe that He was talking to the angels because of the following scripture:
Quote Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?But God did not tell us to whom he was speaking, but nevertheless, regardless of this, it was God's plan with the help of those to whom he was speaking to make man in His image.
God Bless
Quote (TimothyVI @ May 25 2008,08:48) Quote (gsilva72 @ May 25 2008,08:04) By the way the New World Translation claims in John 1:2 This one was in [the] beginning with God. It doesn't say as a thought or idea! Show me where in that scripture it says he is a thought or an idea! It doesn't!
Hi gsilva,The transllators can add as many words as they want to supposedly make the original easier to read. But it not only makes it easier to read, it changes the whole meaning.
the NWT says that John 1:2 says “this one was in the beginning with God”
The Greek interlineary which is the actual words says John 1:1
In the original (beginning) was the saying and the saying was toward the God, and God was the saying.John 1:2 This was in the original (beginning) toward the God.
Everything has been altered in the translations to make the saying seem like a person when the original script did not do that at all.
Tim
Hi Tim:Thanks for this about the Greek Interlinear. This is more in line with what I believe.
Quote I in the past thought that God might be talking to the spirit of His Son, but now I believe that He was talking to the angels because of the following scripture: Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Are we made in the image of God and the angels?Quote (gsilva72 @ May 25 2008,07:49) John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. If Jesus isn't God, then I guess he is a skitsofrantic. He said “WE will come unto him”
What sort of reasoning is that?These scriptures will give you the understanding if you are willing to see it.
John 14:20
Then you will know that I am one with the Father. You will know that you are one with me, and I am one with you.John 17:20-21
20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message,
21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.So according to your reasoning, we must also be God or skitsofrantic because we can be one with each other and one with both the Father and Son.
You see, we can be one with each other and one with Jesus and one with God. We can all be one in unity of spirit by God's Spirit. It is that simple. It is not a matter of us being the same being or skitsofrantic. That is a politicians question anyway.
Hi 94 Quote:”I in the past thought that God might be talking to the spirit of His Son, but now I believe that He was talking to the angels because of the following scripture:”
We were made in the image of God. Genesis 1:27 Scripture never says we were made in the image of angels.
Quote (gsilva72 @ May 25 2008,11:29) Hi 94 Quote:”I in the past thought that God might be talking to the spirit of His Son, but now I believe that He was talking to the angels because of the following scripture:” We were made in the image of God. Genesis 1:27 Scripture never says we were made in the image of angels.
Hi gsilva72:What I am indicating by this is that angels apparently are made in the image of God. In Job 38 they are called sons of God. And so, if they, the angels are in the image of God, God could be speaking to them when he says “Let 'us' make man in 'our' image.
God Bless
Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 25 2008,10:44) Quote I in the past thought that God might be talking to the spirit of His Son, but now I believe that He was talking to the angels because of the following scripture: Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Are we made in the image of God and the angels?
Hi Bro. Isaiah:I addressed this in my post to gsilva72.
God Bless
Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 25 2008,08:56) Isn't the interlineary a translation too?
Hi Is 1:18,It is a translation from Greek to English, but I believe it is more of a word for word translation. That doesn't make it easy to read but it leaves out added words by other translators.
Tim
Quote (t8 @ May 25 2008,00:13) Jesus is not God because scripture tells us that Jesus is the son of God. This is not a passing comment in scripture but a foundational truth of the Church that needs to be brought out into the light in these days. Scripture says that God is invisible and Jesus is the image of this invisible God.
Scripture says that there is one God, the Father.
Scripture does not say that Jesus is the invisible God and that no one can see him. Plenty of people have seen Jesus, even in Heaven.
No one can see the invisible God and that God is simply not Jesus. No clever doctrine will destroy the truth that Jesus is the son of God. Not even the gates of Hell will prevail against that truth. It might prevail in certain people's lives, but that truth will never be snuffed out.
Hi T8, wonderful post my brother. I agree with you. That is the simple truth. Even after Jesus' glorification John says in 1Jn 4:12, “no man has seen God”. God is some one different from Jesus or angels. Invisible God will be seen through angels (like in Old Testament) or through Jesus as happenning now.
Peace to you all
AdamT8.and Adam…….i agree with you both brothers…….And what your are doing is standing up for the truth. While these trinitarians are twisting the scriptures to there own destruction. They will not talk about the plain solid scriptures because they go against there false teachings. We will never be able to open what God Has blinded, but the good thing is that perhaps others will see these debates and come out of their false teachings.
These are those who say Jesus the almighty God, but they don't do what He said nor believe what he said either or they wouldn't be so deceived.
Quote (TimothyVI @ May 25 2008,12:26) Quote (Is 1:18 @ May 25 2008,08:56) Isn't the interlineary a translation too?
Hi Is 1:18,It is a translation from Greek to English, but I believe it is more of a word for word translation. That doesn't make it easy to read but it leaves out added words by other translators.
Tim
Sure, but the translators of the interlinears still have to make decisions on the 'best fit' for English to Greek words. And it's not often the added words that are contentious, at least not in this forum, it's the words that exist in the original texts…..like theos in John 1:1 or theotes in Col 2:9….Quote 1Jo 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. Hi 94 Quote “What I am indicating by this is that angels apparently are made in the image of God. In Job 38 they are called sons of God. And so, if they, the angels are in the image of God, God could be speaking to them when he says “Let 'us' make man in 'our' image.”
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy? Still doesn't say they are made in the image of God. Where are you getting that? The Bible does say that angels are ministering spirits.
Matthew 22:30
At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.Quote (gollamudi @ May 25 2008,12:42) Quote (t8 @ May 25 2008,00:13) Jesus is not God because scripture tells us that Jesus is the son of God. This is not a passing comment in scripture but a foundational truth of the Church that needs to be brought out into the light in these days. Scripture says that God is invisible and Jesus is the image of this invisible God.
Scripture says that there is one God, the Father.
Scripture does not say that Jesus is the invisible God and that no one can see him. Plenty of people have seen Jesus, even in Heaven.
No one can see the invisible God and that God is simply not Jesus. No clever doctrine will destroy the truth that Jesus is the son of God. Not even the gates of Hell will prevail against that truth. It might prevail in certain people's lives, but that truth will never be snuffed out.
Hi T8, wonderful post my brother. I agree with you. That is the simple truth. Even after Jesus' glorification John says in 1Jn 4:12, “no man has seen God”. God is some one different from Jesus or angels. Invisible God will be seen through angels (like in Old Testament) or through Jesus as happenning now.
Peace to you all
Adam
And peace to you.T8….right and Jesus called us his brethren, And we are to come to the (full) measure of Christ, and we are heirs and Joint heirs with Christ, Sounds like Jesus and us will be pretty much alike if you ask me. We are called a Kingdom of Kings and Priests, Jesus is called a King and a High Priest also.
We should never separate ourselves from the likeness of Christ Jesus, we are called to be identical to him. Like it says until Christ be formed in you.
I totally agree with Jesus Humanity and His divine nature he received from the Father, but no him being a preexistent Deity.
peace to you and yours……………gene:)
Quote Act 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Act 17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
Act 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
Act 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
Act 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Act 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by [that] man whom he hath ordained; [whereof] he hath given assurance unto all [men], in that he hath raised him from the dead.There is only “One God”.
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