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- July 12, 2021 at 5:32 pm#872004kerasParticipant
Great will be the Day of the Lord’s Planting Isaiah 4:2
Hosea 1:1-6 The Word of the Lord came to Hosea: Go take a prostitute as your wife. Have children by her, for like an unfaithful woman My people have been unfaithful to their God. Call your son Jezreel, for very soon I will punish Israel and bring their kingly dynasty to an end. Gomer conceived again and bore a daughter. Call her Lo-ruhamah, for I shall no longer show love for Israel and will totally remove them.
Hosea 1:7-9 But Judah, I will love and save, not by any weapon of war, just by My power. Then Gomer bore another son. Call him Lo-ammi, for you are not My people and I shall no longer be your God.
Hosea 1:10-11 The Israelites shall be as countless as the sands of the sea and it will no longer be said of them: You are not My people, for they will be called ‘Children of the Living God’. The people of Judah and Israel will be re-united and will choose for themselves one leader, for they will re-inhabit the Holy Land. Great will be the Day of Jezreel!
Hosea 2:1 You are to say to your brothers: ‘You are the Lord’s people’, and to your sisters ‘You are loved’. Ref: REB. Some verses abridged.
‘I will punish Israel, totally remove them’, The Northern ten tribes conquered by Assyria in 722/21BC, but all exiled out of the Land by 715 BC by Sargon 2
The exile of Israel and Judah, 135 years later, are for set periods; Ezekiel 4;4-6
‘their kingly dynasty ended’, The kings of Israel were not from the Davidic line.
‘Judah, I will save’, Judah were spared by Assyria, but 130 years later they were taken into captivity by Babylon, cast off by God and called ’not My people’, for their sins.
‘The Israelites: countless numbers’, All of the 12 tribes of Israel remain scattered around the world, only God knows exactly who and where they all are. Amos 9:9, My people; Romans 9:24-26
‘Judah and Israel re-united’, the great prophecies of Ezekiel 37:1-28
‘choose one leader’, This undeniably places the return of the Israelites to the Promised Land before the Return of Jesus. Jeremiah 30:21, Isaiah 62:1-5
‘the Day of Jezreel’, Hebrew= God sows or plants. This refers to the extensively prophesied great Day of the Lord, when He punishes His enemies and at the same time, saves and protects His people. Isaiah 30:26 tells us how the punishment is instigated and that the Lord will ‘bind up the wounds of His people’. That is: once again care for them and gather them back to their heritage. In all of the holy Land, the Lord’s people, that is: true Christians, be they actual descendants of Jacob or grafted in, will live as always intended, being ‘a light to the nations’ and sending out 144,000 missionaries to proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus.
Isaiah 35:1-10, Jeremiah 50:4-5, Hosea 2:14, Hosea 8:10, Hosea 11:10-11, Joel 3:7, Zephaniah 3:20, Zechariah 8:7-8, Deuteronomy 30:1-5, Psalms 147:2, Isaiah 27:12-13, Isaiah 49:3-6, Isaiah 51:11, Jeremiah 31:1-14, Jeremiah 32:37-44, Ezekiel 11:17, Ezekiel 20:34, Ezekiel 36:9-12, Acts 3:17-26
July 13, 2021 at 9:59 pm#872029kerasParticipantHosea 1:10-11 The Israelites will be as countless as the sands of the sea. The time will come when it will no longer be said of them; ‘You are not My people’, and they will be called ‘Children of the Living God’. The people of Judah and Israel will be reunited and will choose for themselves one leader, they will prosper in the Land, for great will be the Day of Jezreel. Romans 9:24-27
Choose their leader; before the Return of Jesus. Jezreel means punishment, this refers to the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, that will clear the Land for this reunion and for the Lord’s favour to His people. Isaiah 10:22, Ezekiel 35:15-27, Jeremiah 30:21
Hosea 3:4-5 The Israelites will be for a long time without a King or leader and without the Temple sacrifices, or the sacred observances. After that, they will again seek the Lord and their Davidic King. All Israel will turn with reverence to their God and seek His favour for the days to come. Isaiah 55:6-7, Psalm 105:1-5
Hosea 12:6-9 Turn back by God’s help, maintain loyalty and justice and wait continually for your God. Ephraim says; surely I have become rich, I am strong and prosperous, sin will not be found in me. The Lord says; From your days in Egypt, I am still your God, you will live in tents yet again, as you did in the Exodus.
Ephraim, the leader of the ten Northern tribes: the House of Israel, among the Western nations, is strong and prosperous. They believe their kind of worship will save them. Isaiah 2:6-8, Isaiah 58:1-5
Hosea 2:13 I shall punish her [Israel] for her sins against Me, when forgetful of Me, she ran off to worship other gods. Ezekiel 4:4-6, Leviticus 26:18
Punishment by exile for a decreed time, now nearly completed.
Hosea 2:14-15 But now, I shall woo her and lead My people into a deserted place, I will encourage them and restore their Land. Then the Israelites will respond as did their ancestors when they came out of Egypt. Ezekiel 20:34-36, Deut. 30:5
Hosea 11:8-11 How can I reject you, Israel and make you like those nations that have died out? A change of heart moves Me; I am the Lord, not a mortal, I will not destroy My people. They will follow their Lord when He calls, they will come from all parts of the earth and I will settle them in houses in their own Land. This is the Word of the Lord. Isaiah 62:1-5, Jeremiah 30:1-40, Zechariah 8:2-8
Hosea 2:16-23 On that Day My people will call Me their ‘Husband’, for I shall betroth Myself to them forever, bestowing righteousness, justice, loyalty and love. I will remove all dangers from them, they will live without fear in a plentiful Land. The people once called ‘Not loved’, and ‘Not My people’, will inhabit their inheritance. I will say to them ‘You are My people’ and they will say; ‘You are our God’. Romans 9:24-26 This refers to every faithful Christian, from every race, nation and language.
Hosea 14:4-8 I shall heal My peoples apostasy, I shall love them freely for my anger is turned away from them. I shall be as dew to Israel, they will dwell in My shadow, so that they may flourish and prosper. I declare and affirm that I, the Lord am the strong tree that shelters My people, they will be famous for their prosperity. Ezekiel 38:11-13
Hosea 14:9 Let the wise consider these things and let the prudent acknowledge them. The Lord’s Laws are right and His people obey them, but sinners fall. Isaiah 1:27-28
Reference: REB, some verses abridged.
July 14, 2021 at 2:31 am#872036GeneBalthropParticipantKeras……..Very good post brother. God has greatly blessed the true,”Israel” , Joseph (Epheriam and Menassah ), the United States and England as the head, and the other eight tribes with them, they are the true ” Lost Sheep” of the House of Israel.
But the House of kingdom of Judah, ( the Jews, Benjamin, Levi ) , God cast them out of their land and sent a sword after them everywhere they went even unto this very day, why, because. They reject Jesus as the true “messiah” and as a result the curse remains on them, even unto this very day, they have no peace and won’t until Jesus returns and they except him as the true Messiah. IMOpeace and love to you and yours……..gene
July 14, 2021 at 4:01 am#872037gadam123ParticipantBut the House of kingdom of Judah, ( the Jews, Benjamin, Levi ) , God cast them out of their land and sent a sword after them everywhere they went even unto this very day, why, because. They reject Jesus as the true “messiah” and as a result the curse remains on them, even unto this very day, they have no peace and won’t until Jesus returns and they except him as the true Messiah. IMO
Hello brother Gene, this statement of yours is repeated on most of the threads on this Forum. It reflects your Anti-Semitism. In fact you are forgetting that the ten lost tribes were the first to be rejected by God and were exiled by the Assyrian king in 722 BCE and lost forever as they mingled with the world and followed gods other than Yahweh. Also Jewish people were exiled to Babylon but retained their identity and remain faithful to their God Yahweh and God was with them during those difficult times. He never left them. These are the promising words of their God to them;
Isaiah 2:
1 The word that Isaiah son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.
2 In days to come
the mountain of the Lord’s house
shall be established as the highest of the mountains,
and shall be raised above the hills;
all the nations shall stream to it.
3 Many peoples shall come and say,
“Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
to the house of the God of Jacob;
that he may teach us his ways
and that we may walk in his paths.”
For out of Zion shall go forth instruction,
and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
4 He shall judge between the nations,
and shall arbitrate for many peoples;
they shall beat their swords into plowshares,
and their spears into pruning hooks;
nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
neither shall they learn war any more.And Zech 8:
20 Thus says the Lord of hosts: Peoples shall yet come, the inhabitants of many cities; 21 the inhabitants of one city shall go to another, saying, “Come, let us go to entreat the favor of the Lord, and to seek the Lord of hosts; I myself am going.” 22 Many peoples and strong nations shall come to seek the Lord of hosts in Jerusalem, and to entreat the favor of the Lord. 23 Thus says the Lord of hosts: In those days ten men from nations of every language shall take hold of a Jew, grasping his garment and saying, “Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.”
Do you think that God left the Jewish people as often misquoted by you in your posts? No my brother God loves Jewish people forever as per the Hebrew Bible. Please remove your hatred towards this blessed nation.
July 14, 2021 at 5:44 pm#872056kerasParticipantPeople who believe that the Jewish State of Israel has any special attributes or place in world affairs, have very thick blinders on and are strongly biased for their own reasons.
What I say, is not anti-Semitism, but valid criticism of a nation, consisting of a mixed racial population, who have successfully made their nation prosper, despite the constant external threats of annihilation.
They are a shining example of a democracy amid a sea of autocratic ruled countries.However, I and many other believers in the God of Creation, know from the Word He has given to His people, that what exists now in all of the Land designated to be given to Abrahams descendants: Genesis 15:18, is not yet occupied in accordance with God’s intentions.
I am confidant that one day it will be and those people will be descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, as their genetics are ubiquitous and as Isaiah 66:18b, Revelation 5:9 and Revelation 7:9 all say; they will be the faithful believers of God and the keepers of His Commandments, from every tribe, race, nation and language.
Great will be that Day!July 14, 2021 at 6:46 pm#872060gadam123ParticipantGod has greatly blessed the true,”Israel” , Joseph (Epheriam and Menassah ), the United States and England as the head, and the other eight tribes with them, they are the true ” Lost Sheep” of the House of Israel.
This is another myth of Christianity stating that American and British are the Lost tribes of Israel.
The ten lost tribes were the ten of the Twelve Tribes of Israel that were said to have been exiled from the Kingdom of Israel after its conquest by the Neo-Assyrian Empire circa 722 BC. These are the tribes of Reuben, Simeon, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Issachar, Zebulun, Manasseh, and Ephraim; all but Judah and Benjamin (as well as some members of Levi, the priestly tribe, which did not have its own territory). The Jewish historian Josephus (37–100 AD) wrote that “there are but two tribes in Asia and Europe subject to the Romans, while the ten tribes are beyond Euphrates till now, and are an immense multitude, and not to be estimated by numbers”.
In the 7th and 8th centuries CE, the return of the lost tribes was associated with the concept of the coming of the messiah. Claims of descent from the “lost tribes” have been proposed in relation to many groups, and some religions espouse a messianic view that the tribes will return.
Zvi Ben-Dor Benite, a professor of Middle Eastern history, states: “The fascination with the tribes has generated, alongside ostensibly nonfictional scholarly studies, a massive body of fictional literature and folktale.” Anthropologist Shalva Weil has documented various differing tribes and peoples claiming affiliation to the Lost Tribes throughout the world.
The scriptural basis for the idea of lost tribes is 2 Kings 17:6: “In the ninth year of Hoshea, the king of Assyria took Samaria, and carried Israel away unto Assyria, and placed them in Halah, and in Habor, on the river of Gozan, and in the cities of the Medes.”
According to the Bible, the Kingdom of Israel and Kingdom of Judah were the successor states to the older United Monarchy of Israel. The Kingdom of Israel came into existence in about the 930s BC after the northern tribes of Israel rejected Solomon’s son Rehoboam as their king. Nine tribes formed the Kingdom of Israel, the tribes of Reuben, Issachar, Zebulun, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Ephraim, and Manasseh.
The tribes of Judah and Benjamin remained loyal to Rehoboam, and formed the Kingdom of Judah. In addition, members of the Tribe of Levi were located in cities in both kingdoms. According to 2 Chronicles 15:9, members of the tribes of Ephraim, Manasseh, and Simeon fled to Judah during the reign of Asa of Judah (c. 911–870 BC).
In c. 732 BC, the Assyrian king Tiglath-Pileser III sacked Damascus and Israel, annexing Aramea[7] and territory of the tribes of Reuben, Gad and Manasseh in Gilead including the desert outposts of Jetur, Naphish, and Nodab. People from these tribes were taken captive and resettled in the region of the Khabur River system in Assyria/Mesopotamia. Tiglath-Pilesar also captured the territory of Naphtali and the city of Janoah in Ephraim, and an Assyrian governor was placed over the region of Naphtali. According to 2 Kings 16:9 and 15:29, the population of Aram and the annexed part of Israel was deported to Assyria.
Israel Finkelstein estimated that only a fifth of the population (about 40,000) were actually resettled out of the area during the two deportation periods under Tiglath-Pileser III, Shalmaneser V and Sargon II. Many also fled south to Jerusalem, which appears to have expanded in size fivefold during this period, requiring a new wall to be built, and a new source of water (Siloam) to be provided by King Hezekiah. Furthermore, 2 Chronicles 30:1–11 explicitly mentions northern Israelites who had been spared by the Assyrians—in particular, members of Dan, Ephraim, Manasseh, Asher, and Zebulun—and how members of the latter three returned to worship at the Temple in Jerusalem at that time.
The story of Anna on the occasion of the Presentation of Jesus at the Temple in the New Testament names her as being of the (lost) tribe of Asher (Luke 2:36).
The Hebrew Bible does not use the phrase “ten lost tribes”, leading some to question the number of tribes involved. 1 Kings 11:31 states that the kingdom would be taken from Solomon and ten tribes given to Jeroboam:
And he said to Jeroboam, Take thee ten pieces: for thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, Behold, I will rend the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and will give ten tribes to thee.
— 1 Kings 11:31
But I will take the kingdom out of his son’s hand, and will give it unto thee, even ten tribes.— 1 Kings 11:35
Historians generally concluded that the groups which were referred to as the Lost Tribes merged with the local population. For instance, the New Standard Jewish Encyclopedia states: “In historic fact, some members of the Ten Tribes remained in Palestine, where apart from the Samaritans some of their descendants long preserved their identity among the Jewish population, others were assimilated, while others were presumably absorbed by the last Judean exiles who in 597–586 BC were deported to Assyria … Unlike the Judeans of the southern Kingdom, who survived a similar fate 135 years later, they soon assimilated .
Adherents of British Israelism and Christian Identity both believe that the lost tribes migrated northward, over the Caucasus, and became the Scythians, Cimmerians and Goths, as well as the progenitors of the later Germanic invaders of Britain.
The theory first arose in England and then spread to the United States. During the 20th century, British Israelism was promoted by Herbert W. Armstrong, founder of the Worldwide Church of God.
Tudor Parfitt, author of The Lost Tribes: The History of a Myth, states that the proof cited by adherents of British Israelism is “of a feeble composition even by the low standards of the genre”, and these notions are widely rejected by historians.
July 14, 2021 at 7:33 pm#872061gadam123Participant‘The Israelites: countless numbers’, All of the 12 tribes of Israel remain scattered around the world, only God knows exactly who and where they all are. Amos 9:9, My people; Romans 9:24-26
‘Judah and Israel re-united’, the great prophecies of Ezekiel 37:1-28
‘choose one leader’, This undeniably places the return of the Israelites to the Promised Land before the Return of Jesus. Jeremiah 30:21, Isaiah 62:1-5
‘the Day of Jezreel’, Hebrew= God sows or plants. This refers to the extensively prophesied great Day of the Lord, when He punishes His enemies and at the same time, saves and protects His people. Isaiah 30:26 tells us how the punishment is instigated and that the Lord will ‘bind up the wounds of His people’. That is: once again care for them and gather them back to their heritage. In all of the holy Land, the Lord’s people, that is: true Christians, be they actual descendants of Jacob or grafted in, will live as always intended, being ‘a light to the nations’ and sending out 144,000 missionaries to proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus.
Hosea prophesied during a dark and melancholic era of Israel’s history, the period of the Northern Kingdom’s decline and fall in the 8th century BC. According to the book, the apostasy of the people was rampant, having turned away from God in order to serve both the calves of Jeroboam and Baal, a Canaanite god.
The Book of Hosea says that, during Hosea’s lifetime, the kings of the Northern Kingdom, their aristocratic supporters, and the priests had led the people away from the Law of God, as given in the Pentateuch. It says that they forsook the worship of God; they worshiped other gods, especially Baal, the Canaanite storm god, and Asherah, a Canaanite fertility goddess. Other sins followed, says the Book, including homicide, perjury, theft, and sexual sin. Hosea declares that unless they repent of these sins, God will allow their nation to be destroyed, and the people will be taken into captivity by Assyria, the greatest nation of the time.
The prophecy of Hosea centers around God’s unending love towards a sinful Israel. In this text, God’s agony is expressed over His betrayal by Israel. Stephen Cook asserts that the prophetic efforts of this book can be summed up in this passage “I have been the Lord your God ever since the land of Egypt; you know no God but me, and besides me there is no savior”. Hosea’s job was to speak these words during a time when they had been essentially forgotten.
Union of Judah and Israel is yet to happen not a history as claimed by you by quoting Ezekiel 37:1-28.
The claim of Christians as true Israel is myth of Christianity and the so called 144000 Christian missionaries is another imagination of Christianity. Hebrew Bible differs on these lines on End times.
July 15, 2021 at 3:11 am#872079GeneBalthropParticipantAdam…..First of all there are 13 tribes of Israel not 12, and the Jew’s are but a speck 1/13th one tribes, God did cast the 10 tribes out of their land into the world by the Assyrians, but he also cast the Jews out and said they were more treacherous then Israel was , in fact said Israel showed her self more righteous then treacherous Judah did. In fact when God cast out the Jews he sent a sword after them to PERSUE THEM EVERYWHERE THEY WENT, EVEN TO THIS VERY DAY THE HAVE NO PEACE IN THE LAND THEY LIVE IN. There history proves they were one of the most persecuted people of the whole word, and trust me it was not because they were God’s precious people, that is a delusion unless they repent and except Jesus as the true messiah, there curse will remain on them, and all those who side with the rejection of Jesus as the true Messiah of God. IMO, THEY, AND IT NOW SEEMS YOU, MUST REPENT BROTHER.
Peace and love to you and yours Adam………..gene
July 15, 2021 at 4:02 am#872081gadam123ParticipantSorry brother Gene I can not agree with you on Jewish people as the cursed ones. Please read my post above on how God is favourable to them.
Question of rejection of Jesus is matter of debate if he was the true Messiah. The evidence is too weak if you compare it with the Hebrew Bible on the concepts of Messiah. Other concepts like the so called Vicarious Atonement is a mythology created by Paul and other Christian writers. The second coming of the Messiah is another invention by the Christianity which is no where found in the Hebrew Bible.
I think you should come out of Christianity to understand true Messiah based on the Hebrew Bible.
July 15, 2021 at 7:16 am#872085GeneBalthropParticipantAdam……Thats all you have to do is look at the history of the Jewish people, one persecution after another. Read the Hebrew scriptures of what God said he would do to them, through Jeremiah, Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah and other prophets, they were persecuted and rejected by God, and God did exactly what he said he would do to them and it has happen to them.
It doesn’t take a genius to see that, they would have nearly all in Germany been exterminated completely, if it weren’t for the United Staes and Great Britain, who also Gave them back the land they now have and the weapons to defend it. , but aside from that, they still have no peace in their country. And won’t till they come to except Jesus Christ as the Messiah. The day will come when the Jew’s will accept their guilt and weep for forgiveness for what they did to Jesus Christ our lord. Then they will be forgiven and there land heald and then they will have Peace they desire .
Adam, By the way, the word “anti-shemite”. Doesn’t just pertain to the Jews only, >. It pertains to all descendent “Shem”. Basically all the white race. The Jews try to make it “just” about them, it’s not. Just Another deception .
The Greatest blessing of God was given to the decedents of Joseph (Ephraim and Manasseh ). Adam please read this, and come back and explain that to us. Who does that look like it’s talking about today, England and the United States, right? Now how many original states were there in the United States, 13, original colonies right, now with Joseph’s double portion (Ephraim and Manasseh ) add into the tribe count of the Israelites are there, 13 right?. We have 13, Stars and Stripes on our flag. We have all the blessings given by Jacob on our Nations, United States and England , the United States has all 13 tribes living here, there is more Jews in New York then in the land of Israel, today. We are modern day nation of Israel, Rather you believe it or not. The Jew never represented Israel, now or even the Hebrew scriptures. Many, many, scriptures prove that in our Hebrew texts.
Adam read this and explain how that prophesy fits today. Gen 49;22-26
peace and love to you and yours Adam………gene
July 15, 2021 at 7:57 am#872086BereanParticipantGene
We have all the blessings given by Jacob on our Nations, United States and England , the United States has all 13 tribes living here, there is more Jews in New York then in the land of Israel, today.
We are modern day nation of Israel, Rather you believe it or not. The Jew never represented Israel, now or even the Hebrew scriptures. Many, many, scriptures prove that in our Hebrew texts.
Me
the true Israël are those 👇
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.(Rev.14:12)
July 16, 2021 at 1:33 am#872093GeneBalthropParticipantBerean…… I was not talking about “the Spiritual Israel of God” , but the actual physically blessed tribes of ancient Israel, the 13 tribes that exist today, and the fulfillment of the blessing given them in the world today.
peace and love to you and yours……..geneJuly 16, 2021 at 2:00 am#872095gadam123ParticipantThe Greatest blessing of God was given to the decedents of Joseph (Ephraim and Manasseh ). Adam please read this, and come back and explain that to us. Who does that look like it’s talking about today, England and the United States, right? Now how many original states were there in the United States, 13, original colonies right, now with Joseph’s double portion (Ephraim and Manasseh ) add into the tribe count of the Israelites are there, 13 right?. We have 13, Stars and Stripes on our flag. We have all the blessings given by Jacob on our Nations, United States and England , the United States has all 13 tribes living here, there is more Jews in New York then in the land of Israel, today. We are modern day nation of Israel, Rather you believe it or not. The Jew never represented Israel, now or even the Hebrew scriptures. Many, many, scriptures prove that in our Hebrew texts.
Adam read this and explain how that prophesy fits today. Gen 49;22-26
Hi brother Gene, I know you can not come out of this conviction of yours against Jewish people whom God never left and they are the one now holding to God Yahweh and the true Hebrew religion.
Coming to Gen 49:22-26;
22 Joseph is a fruitful bough,
a fruitful bough by a spring;
his branches run over the wall.[a]
23 The archers fiercely attacked him;
they shot at him and pressed him hard.
24 Yet his bow remained taut,
and his arms were made agile
by the hands of the Mighty One of Jacob,
by the name of the Shepherd, the Rock of Israel,
25 by the God of your father, who will help you,
by the Almighty[c] who will bless you
with blessings of heaven above,
blessings of the deep that lies beneath,
blessings of the breasts and of the womb.
26 The blessings of your father
are stronger than the blessings of the eternal mountains,
the bounties[d] of the everlasting hills;
may they be on the head of Joseph,
on the brow of him who was set apart from his brothers.These were the blessings Joseph by his Father Jacob. There is no mention of America or Britain here in these verses in fact the whole Hebrew Bible never mentioned these countries. You can find my country India in book of Esther but not these two countries as you claim for Ephraim and Manasseh. Please read my earlier post on the Lost tribes of Israel for more details. Here are some more details on the Lost Tribes of Israel;
Ten Lost Tribes of Israel, 10 of the original 12 Hebrew tribes, which, under the leadership of Joshua, took possession of Canaan, the Promised Land, after the death of Moses. They were named Asher, Dan, Ephraim, Gad, Issachar, Manasseh, Naphtali, Reuben, Simeon, and Zebulun—all sons or grandsons of Jacob. In 930 BCE the 10 tribes formed the independent Kingdom of Israel in the north and the two other tribes, Judah and Benjamin, set up the Kingdom of Judah in the south. Following the conquest of the northern kingdom by the Assyrians in 721 BCE, the 10 tribes were gradually assimilated by other peoples and thus disappeared from history. Nevertheless, a belief persisted that one day the Ten Lost Tribes would be found. Eldad ha-Dani, for instance, a 9th-century Jewish traveler, reported locating the tribes “beyond the rivers of Abyssinia” on the far side of an impassable river called Sambation, a roaring torrent of stones that becomes subdued only on the sabbath, when Jews are not permitted to travel. Manasseh Ben Israel (1604–57) used the legend of the lost tribes in pleading successfully for admission of Jews into England during Oliver Cromwell’s regime. Peoples who at various times were said to be descendants of the lost tribes include the Assyrian Christians, the Mormons, the Afghans, the Beta Israel of Ethiopia, the American Indians, and the Japanese. Among the numerous immigrants to the State of Israel since its establishment in 1948 were a few who likewise claimed to be remnants of the Ten Lost Tribes. The descendants of the tribes of Judah and Benjamin have survived as Jews because they were allowed to return to their homeland after the Babylonian Exile of 586 BCE.
The following is one recent example of India which can claim for the Lost Tribes of Israel.
The return of a Lost Tribe of Israel, 27 centuries later Thousands of Bnei Menashe in northeast India began coming back to their ancestors’ homeland in the 1980s. About 6,000 more are waiting to join them.
On January 3 2021, three Lhanghal sisters from northeast India – Rut, 28; Dina, 21; and Avigail, 13 – immigrated to Israel, the land their ancestors were forced to leave 27 centuries ago.
The remarkable story begins in 722 BCE, when the Assyrian Empire conquered and deported the nine tribes of the northern kingdom of Israel, which had split from the southern kingdom of Judea 200 years earlier.
Menashe (Manasseh) was the largest of these so-called Lost Tribes. They wandered through Central Asia and the Far East for centuries, eventually settling in the villages of Manipur and Mizoram along the borders of Burma (now Myanmar) and Bangladesh.
Isolated from the world, the Bnei Menashe (children of Manasseh) continued practicing biblical Judaism and dreaming of their return for 2,700 years.
In the 1970s and possibly earlier, letters began reaching Israel’s prime ministers from a group of Indians claiming Jewish heritage. The leaders had their hands full with building and defending a nation, and the letters were ignored.
Still, they kept arriving. And in the spring of 1997, a crumpled envelope from India landed on the desk of Michael Freund, a young New York immigrant working in Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s communications office.
Freund tells ISRAEL21c that the letter “was a very emotional appeal” from people saying they were descendants of the tribe of Menashe and they wanted to come home.
“My initial reaction was, ‘This is nuts.’ I didn’t believe there could be a lost tribe of our brethren somewhere in northeastern India. But there was something sincere and heartfelt about the letter and I chose to answer it.”
That act changed Freund’s life and the lives of thousands of Bnei Menashe in Mizoram and Manipur.
There are now nearly 4,500 Bnei Menashe in Israel, including those born here.
The Lhanghal sisters were in the latest group to arrive, shortly after another 252 community members landed in Israel in December.
he remaining more than 6,000 hope to join them, with the aid of the Israeli government and Freund’s Shavei Israel nonprofit organization. Shavei means “returnees.”
In the mid-1980s, Bnei Menashe leaders connected with Israeli Rabbi Eliyahu Avichail, founder of an organization dedicated to finding descendants of the Lost Tribes.
Please go through this complete article https://www.israel21c.org/the-return-of-a-lost-tribe-of-israel-27-centuries-later/
July 16, 2021 at 5:20 am#872098BereanParticipantAnd, behold,
I (Jesus)come quickly;
and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. (After judgment)
[13] I(Jesus) am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
[14] Blessed are they that do his commandments,
that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.(in HEAVEN)
[15] For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
July 16, 2021 at 8:24 am#872100BereanParticipantMy soul, bless the Lord! He said, “May your heart
do not get confused. Believe in God, also believe in me. He
there are many mansions in my Father’s house.
Otherwise, I would have told you; because I will prepare you a
square. So if I go and prepare a place for you, I
will come back and I will take you with me, so that where I
am, you are there too. »(John 14.1-3.)
Thank you Lord ! I long for these mansions, and
not after those here below, for they will be shaken by the
great earthquake coming. I think about these
mansions that Christ went to prepare for the faithful.
We have no home yet, because we do not
are only pilgrims and strangers here below, in
road to a more beautiful country, the heavenly homeland. May
God help us earn the fortune of eternal life.
In Heavenly Places, p. 354July 17, 2021 at 3:02 am#872103GeneBalthropParticipantAdam……So you deny scriptures, that show the prophesied blessings on Joesph dependents Ephesians and Mannessah . Then deny prophesy that God would scatter “Israel “, trough out al the nations of the world and then would gather them back again, not Just the Jews which he also scattered and sent a sword after them everywhere they went as history proves over and over even unto this very day. The very idea that a small nation as the Jews are represents all of Israel s a joke at best. As they kept their identity as a single tribe of the kingdom of Judah, they are not reckoned according to scripture as part of Israel, after the left that kingdom, after king Salmon’s reign . All things I have shown you written in the Hebrew Scriptures are there and the Jews ad it seems you will not accept. Scripture clearly say the kingdom of Judah was more corrupt the the kingdom of Israel, that they were more treacherous and only acted like they were the people of God they “feignedly” returned .
Adam……Go and read this and come and tell us what you believe it says, Jer 3: 8-12, notice it calls Israel to return , not Judah. Trying to turn the Jew into the representative of all Israel is a joke at best, they are only a fraction , a small fraction at best of all of Israel . The sword will never leave them until, they repent of not believing Jesus is the true Messiah and that their ancestors killed him .Adam you had fallen for their deceptions and twisting up of scriptures, They pick some scriptures and reject others , they put on as they are the trues “Israel ” servants of God . Nothing could be further from the truth.IMO
peace and love to yo ad yours……….gene
July 17, 2021 at 3:49 am#872104gadam123ParticipantChristian-Jew hatred ?
July 17, 2021 at 8:39 am#872105kerasParticipantHosea 4:1-6 You inhabitants of the Land of Israel, hear the Word of the Lord: There is no good faith or loyalty and no [very little] acknowledgement of God in the Land. People break oaths, they kill and commit adultery. Violence and apostasy rule, there is no justice.
But it is not for mankind to bring charges, it is My contention and it is with you, the prophets and priests. Day and night you blunder on in your ignorance of My true Word. You bring your nation to ruin with your want of knowledge. As you reject the teaching of God, so I reject you as My priests.
Therefore the Land will be made desolate and all who live in it will suffer, the animals, birds and even the fish will vanish.
Hosea 4:7-19 The more priests there are, the more they sin against Me. Their dignity I shall turn into dishonour. The leaders of My people [Judah and Israel] have given themselves to immorality and strong drink, their wits are dulled and they seek advice from divinators. A people so devoid of understanding will soon come to grief, a powerful wind will hit them and they will realize their practices and beliefs are a delusion.
Hosea 5:1-12 Hear then, you congregation leaders of My people: Sentence is passed on you because you have misled your flocks. I shall punish all those who spread false doctrines and now all Ephraim, Israel [the Western nations] have become promiscuous and their misdeeds have barred their way back to their God. So now a terrible invader is set to devour their lands.
Sound the alarm! On the Day of wrath and punishment Ephraim will be laid waste, certain desolation is decreed for Israel and Judah.
Hosea 6:1-3 Come let us go back to the Lord, He has punished us but He will heal us. After two days He will revive us and on the third day, He will raise us up to live in His presence.
Let us press on to know the Lord, His coming is as sure as the sunrise. He will come to us like a refreshing shower, like the spring rains He will water His people with the Holy Spirit. Ref: REB, NIV. Some verses abridged and paraphrased.
‘not for mankind to bring charges’ – Isa. 3:13-15, Zeph. 3:8, Mal. 3:5, Hebrews 10:26-27
‘the Land made desolate’ – Isa.28:22, Eze.20:47, Jer.6:7, Jer.7:34, Zeph.1:18, Micah 1:6
‘a powerful wind will hit them’ – Jer.23:19, Jer.4:26-28, Psalm 3:14-15, Joel 1:15-20
‘the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath’, Isaiah 13:9-13, Isaiah 30:26-30, Isaiah 66:15-17, Ezekiel 30:3-5, Zephaniah 1:14-18, 2 Peter3:7, Revelation 6:12-17
‘destruction decreed for Israel and Judah’ Jer.23:9-18, Isa.25:2, Isa 28:22, Amos 6:11
‘teachers and leaders of the flock judged’, James 3:1, Jer.23:1-2, Rev. 2:20-22
‘after two days comes revival, on the third day we will live in His presence’. – Luke 13:32, 2 Peter 3:8 The Lord’s timeline: 4000 years before Christ = 4 days to God in heaven. Then 2000 years of church dispensation = the 2 ‘days’ that Hosea prophesies. His people will be revived and back in the holy Land. Isaiah 62:1-5
Then after the Return of Jesus, He reigns for 1000 earthly years = 1 heavenly day, giving a total of 7000 years of earth time and 7 days of heaven time from Creation until Completion. Ref; logostelos.info
July 17, 2021 at 7:34 pm#872142BereanParticipantThen after the Return of Jesus, He reigns for 1000 earthly years = 1 heavenly day, giving a total of 7000 years of earth time and 7 days of heaven time from Creation until Completion. Ref; logostelos.info
Hi Keras
When Jesus returns, the earth will be such that life will be IMPOSSIBLE for humans to live there …. BECAUSE THE LAST 7 WOUNDS (Rev. 16) HAVE FALLEN ON THE EARTH AND ONLY THE SAINTS OF THE HIGHEST WILL RECHAP life)
The last plague:Revelation 16: 17-21
And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
[18] And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
[19] And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
[20] And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
[21] And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.July 17, 2021 at 8:54 pm#872148gadam123ParticipantAdam……Go and read this and come and tell us what you believe it says, Jer 3: 8-12, notice it calls Israel to return , not Judah. Trying to turn the Jew into the representative of all Israel is a joke at best, they are only a fraction , a small fraction at best of all of Israel . The sword will never leave them until, they repent of not believing Jesus is the true Messiah and that their ancestors killed him .
Hi brother Gene, I think you are simply held up at one passage Jer 3:8-12; please read the following from Jer 3:
6 The Lord said to me in the days of King Josiah: Have you seen what she did, that faithless one, Israel, how she went up on every high hill and under every green tree, and played the whore there? 7 And I thought, “After she has done all this she will return to me”; but she did not return, and her false sister Judah saw it. 8 She[c] saw that for all the adulteries of that faithless one, Israel, I had sent her away with a decree of divorce; yet her false sister Judah did not fear, but she too went and played the whore. 9 Because she took her whoredom so lightly, she polluted the land, committing adultery with stone and tree. 10 Yet for all this her false sister Judah did not return to me with her whole heart, but only in pretense, says the Lord.
11 Then the Lord said to me: Faithless Israel has shown herself less guilty than false Judah. 12 Go, and proclaim these words toward the north, and say:
Return, faithless Israel,
says the Lord.
I will not look on you in anger,
for I am merciful,
says the Lord;
I will not be angry forever.13 Only acknowledge your guilt,
that you have rebelled against the Lord your God,
and scattered your favors among strangers under every green tree,
and have not obeyed my voice,
says the Lord.
14 Return, O faithless children,
says the Lord,
for I am your master;
I will take you, one from a city and two from a family,
and I will bring you to Zion.So what do you infer from this? God was comparing the faithlessness of both Israel and Judah as both had gone to idols by leaving Yahweh. Yes Judah was more sinful than Israel as per this chapter and God asked them to return to him. But you are only struck at this point and not going further in the history.
If we see the history of Israel and Judah you can understand who had returned to Yahweh from their faithlessness. The so called the Ten Lost tribes of Israel had never returned to their God Yahweh expect for few who could join with Jewish people as per the historians. The majority of the Lost Tribes had left their God Yahweh and absorbed into Pagan world till today. Only Judah had returned to Jerusalem from Babylonian Exile and they never left their Hebrew religion and their God even in their Exile. This was clearly visible in the history as well as even at the time of Jesus. These are the only the people now formed into nation of Israel in our time.
Coming to your claim of Americans and British as the Lost Tribes of Israel is another myth and not based any historical evidence. Please read my posts for more details. Yes America and Britain may have soft corner for Jewish people because of their religion Christianity but that does not prove that Jewish people are helpless. They are the blessed people and most intellectuals on this earth when we see their history and achievements of these people.
So please read the Hebrew Bible with broad mind and you will realize that God’s continuous protection to his people. I hope you will come out of such hatred towards these people.
Please think over….
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