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If helping the white man with a problem that is predominately a white man's problem is racist, then it must be wrong to have woman's shelters for those who suffer domestic abuse by reason of excluding abused husbands.
I think if you go down that road then you need to be able to apply what you are saying to not only race, but gender, age, and every other possible grouping of which there are many. Further, we should remove the Believers Only section in Heaven Net too.
Like I mentioned before, the white man in New Zealand is susceptible to skin cancers and targeting them with education about the sun IMO is a good thing, and is not racist at all. It is just addressing a real problem with the affected group.
God made us all different and I think that is great. I am not into that philosophy that states that we are all the same because when I look at the natural world, I see variety and that is part of God's eternal nature because he is limitless.
Hi All,
Since 72% of arsonists in America are white males, should I personally be “linked” with arson because I'm a white male?
Should I personally have to take mandatory arson prevention classes because I'm a white male?
Or are we all ready to see that arson is not a “white” problem, as if skin color has anything at all to do with it, but instead a personal problem that CERTAIN people partake in?
Likewise, the people in prison are simply CERTAIN people who partook in crime. Skin color should NEVER come into play when discussing these things……..ESPECIALLY when it comes into play as a blanket statement covering EVERYONE in that particular race. As in: “Black people need to find good preachers and get with God.” Why include ALL black people in this statement just because SOME black people are in prison?
That has been the only point I've been trying to make since I first posted in this thread. The rest of you can either see that point, or you can't. Either way, I've spoken my piece.
Mike I don't think anyone is saying you can single out an individual because his/her race, gender, nationality, or age and then argue that they are guilty of certain things. I think people are making the case for a collection of people such as a race, nation, or whatever as to having their own unique set of problems and even blessings.
God deals not just with individuals but nations, tribes/kindreds, tongues, so is God a racist?
“Nation” is the Greek ethnos, which is where we get our word “Ethnicity or Ethnic”. It is used in a number of contexts such as highlighting the Samaritans, Jews, Gentiles, and foreigners in a land.
But God is not a racist because he judges these groups according to their collective works.
Racism is not about saying that races, nations, and tribes are different, but is more about hating others who are different to you by race or nationality. But I think when we try to say that we are all the same, then that only takes away from all our uniqueness.
Just as each person is unique, so is each tribe and nation under the sun is unique. This uniqueness is partly contributed with unique blessings and curses that have been inherited or passed down. Are not cultures for example defined as having their own uniqueness. When people travel, they often do so to taste a different culture and then they often remark how different it was to their own. It is natural to make comparisons to your own culture about what you thought was better and what you thought your culture did better. This in itself is not bad but is how we learn from each other.
I have travelled to most continents in the world and I can tell you first hand that South Americans are different to North Americans, who are different to Europeans, who are different to Asians, and where I come from in Oceania we are different too. Each continent has its own unique flavour. The same can be said about age, gender, race.
I acknowledge differences and think it is a good thing. I have spoken to people however who think that we are all the same. I disagree with that. If that was the case, then God wouldn't have different judgements, but one.
Did not God judge the woman and man differently too in the beginning? And were not unique curses passed down to each gender, even to this day?
Did not God bless and curse Isaac and Ishmael differently. They were both mighty nations were they not, yet had different blessings and curses.
Even the Seven Churches in Revelation had their unique blessings and curses.
So why is race to be exempted from all this?
Quote (t8 @ Dec. 19 2011,00:37) Mike I don't think anyone is saying you can single out an individual because his/her race, gender, nationality, or age and then argue that they are guilty of certain things. I think people are making the case for a collection of people such as a race, nation, or whatever as to having their own unique set of problems and even blessings. God deals not just with individuals but nations, tribes/kindreds, tongues, so is God a racist?
“Nation” is the Greek ethnos, which is where we get our word “Ethnicity or Ethnic”. It is used in a number of contexts such as highlighting the Samaritans, Jews, Gentiles, and foreigners in a land.
But God is not a racist because he judges these groups according to their collective works. Is it not true that if a country will humble themselves to God and seek forgiveness that he can heal their land?
Racism is not about saying that races, nations, and tribes are different, but is more about hating others who are different to you by race or nationality. But I think when we try to say that we are all the same, then that only takes away from all our uniqueness.
Just as each person is unique, so is each tribe and nation under the sun is unique. This uniqueness is partly contributed with unique blessings and curses that have been inherited or passed down. Are not cultures for example defined as having their own uniqueness. When people travel, they often do so to taste a different culture and then they often remark how different it was to their own. It is natural to make comparisons to your own culture about what you thought was better and what you thought your culture did better. This in itself is not bad but is how we learn from each other.
I have travelled to most continents in the world and I can tell you first hand that South Americans are different to North Americans, who are different to Europeans, who are different to Asians, and where I come from in Oceania we are different too. Each continent has its own unique flavour. The same can be said about age, gender, race.
I acknowledge differences and think it is a good thing. I have spoken to people however who think that we are all the same. I disagree with that. If that was the case, then God wouldn't have different judgements, but one.
Did not God judge the woman and man differently too in the beginning? And were not unique curses passed down to each gender, even to this day?
Did not God bless and curse Isaac and Ishmael differently. They were both mighty nations were they not, yet had different curses and blessings.
Even the Seven Churches in Revelation had their unique blessings and curses.
So why is race to be exempted from all this?
T8This is rare but it gives me a brize of fresh air
Thank you
Pierre
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 17 2011,10:43) Should I personally have to take mandatory arson prevention classes because I'm a white male?
No because even though they might be the majority of people who do that, it still works out that very few whites are doing this. If it was say 25% of whites, then it might be a good idea.And anyway, who said that we should give classes to Black people or Asians in a similar way?
I think this started as an honest look at the unique problems that different races can have and the example was taken from Pastor Mannings sermon. Equally, a white could give a sermon about a problem that is predominately white too. I don't think that would be too hard.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 16 2011,12:49) Quote (theodorej @ Dec. 15 2011,11:26) My question to you is how would I apply the stats to real people without deceminating key elements such as age,income,education,community and race ….
Theo,White people make up only 45% of America's population, yet they make up 99% of all white collar criminals.
Do you think that ALL of the white people in America need to find new God-fearing pastors because of this stat?
What's the percentage of white serial killers versus black ones? Do white people in general need to be scolded and racially stereotyped because there are WAY more white serial killers than black ones?
What is your point??? If you want to make believe that the blackman is not responsible for his position in society then give all that you have to a cause that will elevate him and while you are doing that why don't you go live in one of his neighborhoods… Iam so tired of this bleeding heart politically correct nonsense…. every human being is equal in Gods'eyes,however,we are all responsible for our actions…We are all responsible for our own actions. But “black people” in general are not responsible for the actions of black INDIVIDUALS who committed crimes.
Just as I'm not responsible for any arson. And as a person who is not responsible for burning down any buildings, I would take offense if someone said, concerning the high percentage of white arsonists, “White people need to find God so THEY can stop burning down buildings”, as if we are ALL responsible for the ones who DID actually burn down a building.
And that is what is often done to “blacks” – a practice with which you seem to agree. People throw the color around, as if ALL people with dark skin are somehow now responsible for the INDIVIDUAL black people who commit crime; as if ALL of them should be included in “blanket statements” – statements that should rightly be attributed ONLY to the black people who have committed crimes.
“Blacks are more prone to crime” is as lame a statement as “Whites are more prone to arson”.
I'M not prone to arson…………are you? If not, why should the color of our skin automatically include US, as INDIVIDUALS, into that blanket statement?
Quote (theodorej @ Dec. 22 2011,06:58) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 16 2011,12:49) Quote (theodorej @ Dec. 15 2011,11:26) My question to you is how would I apply the stats to real people without deceminating key elements such as age,income,education,community and race ….
Theo,White people make up only 45% of America's population, yet they make up 99% of all white collar criminals.
Do you think that ALL of the white people in America need to find new God-fearing pastors because of this stat?
What's the percentage of white serial killers versus black ones? Do white people in general need to be scolded and racially stereotyped because there are WAY more white serial killers than black ones?
What is your point??? If you want to make believe that the blackman is not responsible for his position in society then give all that you have to a cause that will elevate him and while you are doing that why don't you go live in one of his neighborhoods… Iam so tired of this bleeding heart politically correct nonsense…. every human being is equal in Gods'eyes,however,we are all responsible for our actions…
theosee you did it again ;putting a sticker to ALL blacks and generalizing your opinion ,that would mean that there are no good people in the black community,what is false ,because there are good people in that group,the same is true for any group,
this is why we will stand in God alone for what we have done and not what anyone else did ,i think this is what Mike is debating here ,
My question is WHY IS IT THAT WE (THE GOOD BEHAVIOR PEOPLE)ARE PAYING THE BILL FOR THOSE WHO ARE COMMITTING THE CRIMES AND GO TO PRISON ON OUR MONEY
THIS I FEEL IS AN INJUSTICE TO THE GOOD PEOPLE,
it is the same with all the misery in the world ,some government are having all the money to buy arms but no money to buy food for their people ,this is beating my brain,Pierre
Pierre
In case you haven't heard, Christchurch has been hit today with a swarm of big earthquakes.
People are starting to think that Christchurch should be abandoned. Every time they try to fix the city and clean up after a quake it all goes back to chaos with crumbling hills, liquefaction, flooding, and broken buildings and houses. The damage this time was less, but that had more to do with the fact that most of the weak buildings have already fallen.
Christchurch is a beautiful city of gardens and Cathedrals and most of the cathedrals have fallen. It is said to be the most distant city from Jerusalem in the world. It is literally the utmost part of the Earth, when Jesus said preach this gospel to Jerusalem, Samaria, and to the utmost part of the world.
In the Book of Revelation, it talks about every island moving out of its place from a great earthquake. And we know that earthquakes will increase like birth pains.
New Zealand lies on the Ring of Fire as does, Japan, Indonesia, Chile, and the North American west coast. The only region in the Ring of Fire that hasn't recently been shaken significantly is the west coast of the USA.
There use to be a topic in the Prayer section on the Christchurch earthquake. Does anyone know where that topic is?
t8
Zep 2:1 Gather together, gather together,
O shameful nation,
Zep 2:2 before the appointed time arrives
and that day sweeps on like chaff,
before the fierce anger of the LORD comes upon you,
before the day of the LORD'S wrath comes upon you.
Zep 2:3 Seek the LORD, all you humble of the land,
you who do what he commands.
Seek righteousness, seek humility;
perhaps you will be sheltered
on the day of the LORD'S angerRev 12;12 Woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, knowing that he has only a short time.”
we see
Pierre
Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 22 2011,12:17) … Quote (theodorej @ Dec. 22 2011,06:58) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 16 2011,12:49) Quote (theodorej @ Dec. 15 2011,11:26) My question to you is how would I apply the stats to real people without deceminating key elements such as age,income,education,community and race ….
Theo,White people make up only 45% of America's population, yet they make up 99% of all white collar criminals.
Do you think that ALL of the white people in America need to find new God-fearing pastors because of this stat?
What's the percentage of white serial killers versus black ones? Do white people in general need to be scolded and racially stereotyped because there are WAY more white serial killers than black ones?
What is your point??? If you want to make believe that the blackman is not responsible for his position in society then give all that you have to a cause that will elevate him and while you are doing that why don't you go live in one of his neighborhoods… Iam so tired of this bleeding heart politically correct nonsense…. every human being is equal in Gods'eyes,however,we are all responsible for our actions…
theosee you did it again ;putting a sticker to ALL blacks and generalizing your opinion ,that would mean that there are no good people in the black community,what is false ,because there are good people in that group,the same is true for any group,
this is why we will stand in God alone for what we have done and not what anyone else did ,i think this is what Mike is debating here ,
My question is WHY IS IT THAT WE (THE GOOD BEHAVIOR PEOPLE)ARE PAYING THE BILL FOR THOSE WHO ARE COMMITTING THE CRIMES AND GO TO PRISON ON OUR MONEY
THIS I FEEL IS AN INJUSTICE TO THE GOOD PEOPLE,
it is the same with all the misery in the world ,some government are having all the money to buy arms but no money to buy food for their people ,this is beating my brain,Pierre
Pierre
Pierre … Your question has been begging for an answer for ages…..Iam not labeling or speaking accusatory…. There are certain statistical facts that apply stereotypicaly to gender ,color,religion and ethnically….. And there are those who choose to ignore these facts and make excuses for bad behavior….Quote (t8 @ Dec. 23 2011,21:20) In case you haven't heard, Christchurch has been hit today with a swarm of big earthquakes. People are starting to think that Christchurch should be abandoned. Every time they try to fix the city and clean up after a quake it all goes back to chaos with crumbling hills, liquefaction, flooding, and broken buildings and houses. The damage this time was less, but that had more to do with the fact that most of the weak buildings have already fallen.
Christchurch is a beautiful city of gardens and Cathedrals and most of the cathedrals have fallen. It is said to be the most distant city from Jerusalem in the world. It is literally the utmost part of the Earth, when Jesus said preach this gospel to Jerusalem, Samaria, and to the utmost part of the world.
In the Book of Revelation, it talks about every island moving out of its place from a great earthquake. And we know that earthquakes will increase like birth pains.
New Zealand lies on the Ring of Fire as does, Japan, Indonesia, Chile, and the North American west coast. The only region in the Ring of Fire that hasn't recently been shaken significantly is the west coast of the USA.
There use to be a topic in the Prayer section on the Christchurch earthquake. Does anyone know where that topic is?
Greetings T8 ….. Standby ….. The west coast of the US has been expecting the Big One for quite some time now ….. Over the years there have been several …. In 2004 I believe the epicenter for a significant one was in the middle of the Porn Capital of the world… the citys' name escapes me but its contribution to filth has not…Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 22 2011,11:22) We are all responsible for our own actions. But “black people” in general are not responsible for the actions of black INDIVIDUALS who committed crimes. Just as I'm not responsible for any arson. And as a person who is not responsible for burning down any buildings, I would take offense if someone said, concerning the high percentage of white arsonists, “White people need to find God so THEY can stop burning down buildings”, as if we are ALL responsible for the ones who DID actually burn down a building.
And that is what is often done to “blacks” – a practice with which you seem to agree. People throw the color around, as if ALL people with dark skin are somehow now responsible for the INDIVIDUAL black people who commit crime; as if ALL of them should be included in “blanket statements” – statements that should rightly be attributed ONLY to the black people who have committed crimes.
“Blacks are more prone to crime” is as lame a statement as “Whites are more prone to arson”.
I'M not prone to arson…………are you? If not, why should the color of our skin automatically include US, as INDIVIDUALS, into that blanket statement?
I'll start this off by mentioning my view of a black person is a human being with dark skin, most aren't really black but brown. Comparing a white, Asian, Indian or black people is like comparing a black and a a silver tv. Different color on the outside same color and stuff inside.I believe saying x percent of black people do this that or the other thing came out for the purpose of knowledge and help to prevent it again. I think it has failed. Sterotypes are like molds they shape a person on what they the creators view on how they should be or are. Some people try to fill these ti feel complete and try fulfill their purpose in life. All sin can be pretty much be traced to a God problem. I went to a campus with the majority being black. The music they listened to was mostly hood music that glorified money, sex, and other sins , also racial stereotypes on what a black person is. All lot of black students over their tried to feel fulfilled by filling the stereotype molds their false Gods gave them through their music. There are also sooo many other things that promote the same thing and some black people try to fill those molds.
Not to say entertainment other races partake in is soo much more Christ like. maybe instead of saying x amount of people do this or that we should say 100% of people true God is the God almighty and all the false Gods people have should be thrown away because they will rot and be stolen. God loves people to much for that and all they need to do is turn away and go to the true God.
Quote (theodorej @ Dec. 23 2011,22:46) Pierre … Your question has been begging for an answer for ages…..Iam not labeling or speaking accusatory…. There are certain statistical facts that apply stereotypicaly to gender ,color,religion and ethnically….. And there are those who choose to ignore these facts and make excuses for bad behavior….
This is a good point. Are we to ignore that there are facts that do apply to different groups of people.e.g., men probably commit crimes that are different to woman, and races do have differences too.
Mike said that white people make up the bulk in white collar crime for example.
Should all this be ignored for the sake of offence?
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