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Quote (Devolution @ Jan. 08 2013,02:29) There are many more, but for now, could you please explain how these 2nd coming scriptures fit into Pentecost?
You are correct that there are more (1 Cor 15:23, 1 Thess 4:16, etc). But doesn't this one say all that really needs to be said:2 Thessalonians 2
1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come.3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
Ed, doesn't it even bother you to be one of those who are warned against in scripture? (Btw, Paul wrote this letter WAY after Pentecost.)
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 09 2013,11:05) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 08 2013,00:06) Does this verse not indicate that they could go in while still in the flesh? Matt 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees,
hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men:
for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Hi Ed,I've just addressed this very scripture for Pierre in another thread. Fourth post from top.
Hi Mike,Can you please enlarge that part where you answer is located, because I don't see it?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 09 2013,10:20) Hi Pierre, While most of Matthew chapter 23 is filled with examples that answer your question, I will use instead a teaching from Mark 7. The lesson starts with verse 6, but I'll post the latter part:
Mark 7
10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’11 But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban’ (that is, a gift devoted to God), 12 then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother.
13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”
The Pharisees were the “pop stars” of Jesus' day. And like many current celebrities, many of them were divas – expecting great honor from everyone – just for walking into a place. They walked around with a feeling of entitlement – like the whole world needed to bow down and kiss their butts, because they were more important than anyone else.
They were not the kind of people who were bound to inherit the Kingdom of God. But on top of that, they also mislead the uneducated people of Israel in many ways – one of which was convincing those people to not help their aging and hurting parents with some much needed financial support.
God said to honor your parents. The Pharisees taught that doing the opposite was okay. They made the word of God null and void by teaching instead their own traditions – traditions designed to keep them within their “pop-star” status.
So not only were they not going to ever enter God's Kingdom, but they were convincing the uneducated Jews that it was alright to do things that would also keep them out of the Kingdom. In this way, not only were the Pharisees not entering, but they were also blocking the way from those who might have had a chance – if not for the Pharisees' false teachings.
The answer to your question can be summed up by Jesus' words: You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.
It is not only the Pharisees who won't be entering the Kingdom, but perhaps also those converts that they made twice as much a son of hell as they were.
Where in this post is the answer suppose to be?
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 09 2013,11:20) Quote (Devolution @ Jan. 08 2013,02:29) There are many more, but for now, could you please explain how these 2nd coming scriptures fit into Pentecost?
You are correct that there are more (1 Cor 15:23, 1 Thess 4:16, etc). But doesn't this one say all that really needs to be said:2 Thessalonians 2
1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come.3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
Ed, doesn't it even bother you to be one of those who are warned against in scripture? (Btw, Paul wrote this letter WAY after Pentecost.)
Hi Mike, when discussing “The Bible” with me you should quote “The Bible”, not corrupted translations that deceive.2 Thess 2:1-3 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Now please show me what you want me to address here; OK?
Everyone experiences their personal “Pentecost” at different times. …hope this helps.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 09 2013,11:20) Quote (Devolution @ Jan. 08 2013,02:29) There are many more, but for now, could you please explain how these 2nd coming scriptures fit into Pentecost?
You are correct that there are more (1 Cor 15:23, 1 Thess 4:16, etc). But doesn't this one say all that really needs to be said:2 Thessalonians 2
1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come.3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
Ed, doesn't it even bother you to be one of those who are warned against in scripture? (Btw, Paul wrote this letter WAY after Pentecost.)
Good observation.wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 09 2013,16:22) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 09 2013,11:20) Quote (Devolution @ Jan. 08 2013,02:29) There are many more, but for now, could you please explain how these 2nd coming scriptures fit into Pentecost?
You are correct that there are more (1 Cor 15:23, 1 Thess 4:16, etc). But doesn't this one say all that really needs to be said:2 Thessalonians 2
1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come.3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
Ed, doesn't it even bother you to be one of those who are warned against in scripture? (Btw, Paul wrote this letter WAY after Pentecost.)
Hi Mike, when discussing “The Bible” with me you should quote “The Bible”, not corrupted translations that deceive.2 Thess 2:1-3 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Now please show me what you want me to address here; OK?
Everyone experiences their personal “Pentecost” at different times. …hope this helps.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDj.2thess.2.
Pauls was writing about the second coming of Christ? This was written way after pantecost.hello.
Anybody there.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 09 2013,18:15) EDj. 2thess.2.
Pauls was writing about the second coming of Christ? This was written way after pantecost.hello.
Anybody there.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,He was writing about our gathering back together in Christ.
This can only be done when one has their own personal “Pentecost”.
“The day of Christ” is just another way of saying “The Day of the LORD”,
(The last of the three feasts of The LORD: called the “Feast of Tabernacles” or feast of engathering)God orchestrated the pattern of the Three Great Feasts, the last two of which relate
to rain (e.g. Former Rain=117 & The Latter Rain=151). [GOD the Father=117] begins
the feast of Pentecost with the Spirit of God indwelling mankind. On Pentecost, the
Spirit of Christ returns along with His Father, the Spirit of God. The Bible describes
God’s spirit as RAIN coming down on mankind. Water is used as a metaphor for the
Spirit of God in verses such as Eph. 5:26 and Titus 3:5, and for doctrine in Deut.32:2.Gematria is used to show how the three great feasts relate to the rain of God,
both the “Former Rain” and especially “The Latter Rain”. (see also Prob.16:15)Also note how the numerical signatures of the last two feasts (117 & 151)
match precisely with “God's Signature”. (previous post: 26, 63, 74, 117 & 151)God's Name [יהוה] translates DIRECTLY into English as “YHVH”=63
The “Divine”=63 “Deity”=63 of “The Bible”=63 is “YHVH”=63 !
Hosea 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth
is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as
[“The Latter Rain“=151 and “former rain“=117] unto the earth.“The Passover“=148
[74+74=148]
Jesus=74 + cross=74 = (פסח=148) “The Passover”=148
“Pentecost“=117
“Former Rain”=117
(Jesus was alive on day FOUR)
63=”YHVH” RAISED JESUS BACK TO LIFE,
+54 days after the 'cross': STARTED…
117=”Pentecost” [63+54=117]
“The Latter Rain”=151
“Feast of Booths“=151
(Feast [of] Tabernacles=151)
“Jesus is Lord”=151,
because “HolySpirit”=151 (Jesus' Father) is…
“The LORD JEHOVAH”=151Hope this helps.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
(LINK to the thread THAT PROVES GOD’s EXISTENCE)EdJ.
This is what the resurrection is all about ,and if you still refuse,and say otherwise,you are simply ignoring the holy scriptures for your own gain.
Matthew 22:30 For in the RESURRECTION they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are AS THE ANGELS. of God in heaven.
Pantecost is not the coming and resurrection.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 09 2013,19:43) EdJ. This is what the resurrection is all about ,and if you still refuse,and say otherwise,you are simply ignoring the holy scriptures for your own gain.
Matthew 22:30 For in the RESURRECTION they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are AS THE ANGELS. of God in heaven.
Pantecost is not the coming and resurrection.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,I never said “Pentecost” was the resurrection,
why do you keep inferring that people say things that they have never said?
You have done this to many now. I suggest that you desist from bearing false witness against the brethren.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgHi Wakeup,
You tie things together in your mind, things that don't really go together, like…
“The resurrection” you tie to Jesus second coming (which occurred at Pentecost).
“The Son of Perdition” you tie to the false prophet (which was Muhammad of Islam).
Only you can untie these things, we can only help by showing you the evidence of this.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd wrote:[/quote]
Hello EdYou say this to Wakeup;
Quote Hi Wakeup, I never said “Pentecost” was the resurrection,
why do you keep inferring that people say things that they have never said?
You have done this to many now. I suggest that you desist from bearing false witness against the brethren.
you said this herethen you say this; then in the next breathe, you say this to him
Quote Hi Wakeup, You tie things together in your mind, things that don't really go together, like…
“The resurrection” you tie to Jesus second coming (which occurred at Pentecost).Only you can untie these things, we can only help by showing you the evidence of this.
Ed
You are giving mixed signals. The day of Pentecost, and the first resurrection are two separate events. Why do you insist that the resurrection happened here on this day? Who got resurrected?
Fair suck of the sav Ed.
Hi Journey42,
perhaps I did not make myself clear?My point was the resurrection:
DID NOT, DID NOT, DID NOT, occur at Jesus second coming.
“Pentecost” was Jesus' (in spirit form) second coming.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 09 2013,21:18) Hi Journey42,
perhaps I did not make myself clear?My point was the resurrection:
DID NOT, DID NOT, DID NOT, occur at Jesus second coming.
“Pentecost” was Jesus' (in spirit form) second coming.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdJ.You are playing with words again and again.
Now you have invented A SPIRIT FORM OF SECOND COMING.
Whats next? A flesh form of second coming? And then a physical form of second coming.
Whats next? The second coming is symbolical.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,
Jesus being born was Jesus' first coming.
Jesus returning with his father (in spirit form on
“Pentecost” was Jesus second coming. (see John 14:23)Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many;
and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time
without sin unto salvation. (His and his father's Holy Spirit quickens)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 09 2013,22:06) Hi Wakeup, Jesus being born was Jesus' first coming.
Jesus returning with his father (in spirit form on
“Pentecost” was Jesus second coming. (see John 14:23)Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many;
and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time
without sin unto salvation. (His and his father's Holy Spirit quickens)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed…that makes no sense at all!!Quote Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many;
and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time
without sin unto salvation. (His and his father's Holy Spirit quickens)Notice it says them that look for Him?
To them (Christians) shall He appear the second time Ed.
That means us too
Tell me, when did Christ appear the second time to you?
Hi Devolution,
When I was baptized with God's Holy Spirit. (see Romans 14:17)
“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the
Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the
Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.” (Romans 8:9)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Devolution @ Jan. 10 2013,01:02) Ed. To them (Christians) shall He appear the second time Ed.
That means us too
Hi Devolution,Yes, you too can have your own personal “Pentecost”!
“For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear,
neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him.
Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways:” (Isaiah 64:4-5)“But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world
unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it,
they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written,Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared
for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit:
for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.” (1 Cor 2:7-10)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Jan. 10 2013,01:34) Hi Devolution, When I was baptized with God's Holy Spirit. (see Romans 14:17)
“But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the
Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the
Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.” (Romans 8:9)God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EDJ.If one is in the spirit,one is baptised by the Holy spirit.
One is NOT resurrected.Matthew 22:30 **FOR IN THE RESURRECTION** they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are **AS THE ANGELS OF GOD IN HEAVEN**.
This will happen in the first resurrection at the 2nd coming.we will be as the angels in heaven.
Combining pantecost and resurrection is the scribes and pharisees teachings.
YOU ARE DEFENITELY NOT RESURRECTED,JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE BABTISED IN THE HOLY SPIRIT.
YOU ARE DEFENITELY NO ANGEL OF HEAVEN.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 10 2013,02:05) EDJ. Combining pantecost and resurrection is the scribes and pharisees teachings.
wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,You do know bearing false witness is a sin; don't you?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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