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Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 15 2013,10:47) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 15 2013,12:02) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 15 2013,04:18) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 15 2013,05:21) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 13 2013,23:02) Hi Pierre, Yes, “The day of the LORD” and “the day of Christ” do mean the same thing.
“The day of the LORD” is the “Feast of Tabernacles”, which the seventh feast of the LORD.
Jesus returned (in spirit form) on “Pentecost”, which is the fourth feast of the LORD. (Link)God bless
Ed J
edjto follow your understanding we have to assume that ;THE LORD (JESUS ) = THE LORD (JEHOVAH ) IN THE OLD TESTAMENT RIGHT
if not your understanding does not old a penny
No Pierre,YHVH is “The LORD”(the owner), HolySpirit. ……… “GOD”
Jesus is “Lord”(owner), spirit of Christ. ………..”Son of God”God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjwhy do feel always obligated to ad to scriptures or to interpret them
this is not right ;
YHVH is “The LORD”(the owner), HolySpirit. ……… “GOD”
Jesus is “Lord”(owner), spirit of Christ. ………..”Son of God”it should be ;The Lord Jehovah our God ,
Jesus our Lord and the son of God
Hi Pierre,I added nothing! – I merely lined things up for you, showing
how each name and title tie to God and to the definition of Lord.Giving interpretive and exegetical analysis along with
charts and graphs help to illustrate the big picture.What have you changed?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdjWhy are you making :::Jesus Christ = Spirit of Christ
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 15 2013,16:02) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 15 2013,10:47) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 15 2013,12:02) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 15 2013,04:18) Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 15 2013,05:21) Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 13 2013,23:02) Hi Pierre, Yes, “The day of the LORD” and “the day of Christ” do mean the same thing.
“The day of the LORD” is the “Feast of Tabernacles”, which the seventh feast of the LORD.
Jesus returned (in spirit form) on “Pentecost”, which is the fourth feast of the LORD. (Link)God bless
Ed J
edjto follow your understanding we have to assume that ;THE LORD (JESUS ) = THE LORD (JEHOVAH ) IN THE OLD TESTAMENT RIGHT
if not your understanding does not old a penny
No Pierre,YHVH is “The LORD”(the owner), HolySpirit. ……… “GOD”
Jesus is “Lord”(owner), spirit of Christ. ………..”Son of God”God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
edjwhy do feel always obligated to ad to scriptures or to interpret them
this is not right ;
YHVH is “The LORD”(the owner), HolySpirit. ……… “GOD”
Jesus is “Lord”(owner), spirit of Christ. ………..”Son of God”it should be ;The Lord Jehovah our God ,
Jesus our Lord and the son of God
Hi Pierre,I added nothing! – I merely lined things up for you, showing
how each name and title tie to God and to the definition of Lord.Giving interpretive and exegetical analysis along with
charts and graphs help to illustrate the big picture.What have you changed?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
EdjWhy are you making :::Jesus Christ = Spirit of Christ
Hi Pierre,Jesus Christ is the spirit of Christ, the son of God and owner of all.
YHVH is God, the “Holy Spirit” and “The Owner” of all.God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (2besee @ Jan. 15 2013,08:04) Hi EdJ,
The Day of the Lord (Return of Jesus) has not come yet, all of the writers in the NT were waiting for the day (future) and explanations were given as to what that day would be, and we are warned very clearly in 2nd Peter to beware of anyone who tries to say that the day of the Lord has come.Perhaps if you may for a moment pray before you read, that your eyes be open to truth, as you read the following slowly.
2Pet.3
This is now the second letter that I have written to you, beloved, and in both of them I have aroused your sincere mind by way of reminder;
that you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles.First of all you must understand this, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own passions
and saying, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things have continued as they were from the beginning of creation.”They deliberately ignore this fact, that by the word of God heavens existed long ago, and an earth formed out of water and by means of water,
through which the world that then existed was deluged with water and perished.
But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist have been stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.———————-
As you can see above, Peter has the coming of the Lord Jesus with the day of destruction and the day of destruction will be similar to the great flood which killed everybody except for a few. Only this time it will be with fire.
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continued on:
But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
The Lord is not slow about his promise as some count slowness, but is forbearing toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.—————
It has been 2000 years and counting because God is patiently waiting, hoping that all would reach repentance before that day comes.
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continued on:
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.
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There is no hidden secret spiritual meaning to this, this is clear and it goes in with all of the other scriptures.
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continued:
Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness,
waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire!
But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.—————
Peter repeated this twice in the one chapter – that everything would be melted and burnt up (literally).
And Peter is waiting not for a temporary kingdom or what we are living in now, but for the new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.——————-
Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace.
And count the forbearance of our Lord as salvation.
2Besee.Where would you fit in Gog and magog,and the consuming of satan?
wakeup.
Anyone feeling so secure with the doctrine they hold fast to the heart.
Can you FIT IN Isaiah 11:6—11. 65:19–25.
in your doctrine?
And also revelation20:6–10.NO; YOU CAN NOT:
WHY? BECAUSE YOUR DOCTRINE HAS BIG HOLES IN IT.
IT IS FAULTY. ITS A PATCHED UP DOCTRINE.
DOCTRINE INSPIRED BY MEN.YOU HAVE BEEN FEEDING ON MANS FLESH.wakeup.
Wakeup,
Can you fit in all of Jesus and the Disciples words (into your dispesationalist view)?The Jews have a second chance according to you, as do all people.
No.
THE DAY OF SALVATION IS NOW.
Now is when you should be trying to 'save people' before 'the end' comes.Not according to your doctrine.
Wakeup,
I understand clearly what Jesus said, and what the Disciples said, without adding anything to their words.Quote (2besee @ Jan. 16 2013,08:41) Wakeup,
I understand clearly what Jesus said, and what the Disciples said, without adding anything to their words.
2Besee.Good; then why dont you fit in those scriptures into your beloved doctrine.
And show me. NO.YOU CAN NOT.wakeup.
“So it will be at the close of the age.
The angels will come out and separate the evil from the righteous,
and throw them into the furnace of fire;
there men will weep and gnash their teeth.“Have you understood all this?” They said to him, “Yes.”
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 16 2013,10:45) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 16 2013,08:41) Wakeup,
I understand clearly what Jesus said, and what the Disciples said, without adding anything to their words.
2Besee.Good; then why dont you fit in those scriptures into your beloved doctrine.
And show me. NO.YOU CAN NOT.wakeup.
Wakeup, I don't have a doctrine, which is why I don't answer some of your questions. If I don't know, I don't answer.Quote (2besee @ Jan. 16 2013,08:46) “So it will be at the close of the age.
The angels will come out and separate the evil from the righteous,
and throw them into the furnace of fire;
there men will weep and gnash their teeth.“Have you understood all this?” They said to him, “Yes.”
2Besee.Where do these scriptures fit into your doctrine?
There is no where in your present doctrine you could fit in these scriptures.Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isaiah 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
Isaiah 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
Isaiah 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all MY HOLY MOUNTAIN: FOR THE EARTH SHALL BE FULL OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Isaiah 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the *GENTTILES SEEK*: and *HIS REST* shall be glorious.
wakeup.
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 16 2013,03:53) Wakeup, now you may understand 'baptism for the dead'.
2bband what is your understanding of it
Quote (Wakeup @ Jan. 16 2013,08:56) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 16 2013,08:46) “So it will be at the close of the age.
The angels will come out and separate the evil from the righteous,
and throw them into the furnace of fire;
there men will weep and gnash their teeth.“Have you understood all this?” They said to him, “Yes.”
2Besee.Where do these scriptures fit into your doctrine?
There is no where in your present doctrine you could fit in these scriptures.Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isaiah 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
Isaiah 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
Isaiah 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all MY HOLY MOUNTAIN: FOR THE EARTH SHALL BE FULL OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Isaiah 11:10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the *GENTTILES SEEK*: and *HIS REST* shall be glorious.
wakeup.
So? 2Besee? where are you hiding?
And the rest.wakeup.
2Besse
First you state that you are amillenialist.
Then you confess that you do not know who Gog and Magog is,
whilst still holding strong your view,despite; the scriptures stating that the beast and the false prophet will be thrown alive into the burning lake of fire
despite; the scriptures stating that Satan will be bound for a thousand years so that he can deceive the nations no more until the thousand years have expired,
despite; the scriptures stating that the saints will rule with Christ for a thousand years,
despite; the scriptures stating that after the thousand years have expired that Satan will be loosed from his prison
despite; the scriptures stating that Gog and Magog will surround the holy camp to attack it;
despite; the scriptures in Ezekiel giving a detailed description regarding the war of Gog and Magog
despite; fire coming down from heaven by God himself (not Christ) and killing Gog and his armies, and Gog being buried there amongst the graves in the valley of Hamon-Gog.
So something big is happening here. Something a little different from what happened at the second coming when Christ himself destroys all the armies, then melting the earth straight away as many of you claim.
Gog and Magog hold the key, and we just try to guide you to it, to take a look at the scriptures yourself, as God is revealing something big here to us,
…but still you wont budge, you stand firm on your doctrine, claiming that you are not 7DA, whilst praising them and blessing them on the other channel, so your heart is with them, and your teachings are theirs which you have adopted unknowingly,
so please 2Besse, these conversations with you have been good,
and please 2Besse, take another look for the love of the truth.
Reason and discern the scriptures. Divide the word of truth.Quote (Ed J @ Jan. 14 2013,22:30) Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 15 2013,11:30)
Jesus will never return in the flesh, Ed. He became a life-giving spirit. He is flesh no more – nor will he ever be again.
Hi Mike,Substitute the word “PHYSICAL” for 'flesh'.
Okay.I'll need a scriptural context for this one.
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 15 2013,08:11) BTW that also makes all you premillenialists and dispensationalists wrong too.
Peter is waiting for the new heavens and the new earth. No mention of a temporary kingdom is there.
Not so 2besee.We CAN explain it quite easily but you will not accept it.
We CAN explain what you have quoted & it fits perfectly into what we say…
BUT…
YOU & yours can NOT explain NOR fit the scriptures we offer into your interpretation!
Oh…they do do it…but the holes!
Oh the holes!!
Is there none to stand in the breach?
Sadly…NO.2besee…
BEFORE the 2nd coming…ISRAEL gets CONQUERED…
She gets INFILTRATED and her land gets DIVIDED by the nations that CONQUER her…she goes into CAPTIVITY one LAST time.
YET…
Gog & Magog only gets to SURROUND Israel…
He does NOT conquer Israel…
He does NOT infiltrate her…
He does NOT divide her land…
Israel suffers NO captivity…Before Gog even gets to attack…
He is destroyed by fire from heaven…
From the Father Himself…
NOT Jesus this time…
But the Father Himself intervenes…
Not even a “shot” gets fired by Gog.You admit you don't know much about this topic…
So how can you say we are wrong?
What? Because the SDA says so?
So why are you investing your faith in other men's explanations before even understanding it for yourself?
It makes no sense…without personal understanding…you can NOT even TEST the words of those you side with!!
Isn't that called blind faith?
A very dangerous practice friend.And what is this “temporary kingdom” you assign to us?
We never said it is temporary…
Again, you prove that you do not fully grasp what we are saying.Didn't you notice?
Jesus hands this kingdom back to His Father…
HANDS IT BACK!!
The thing handed back doesn't all of a sudden cease to exist…
Otherwise, why even bother handing it back?
What? Handing back a handful of nothingness?
Gee, what a futile endeavour!Brother, UNTIL you can work this out for yourself, it is unwise to pass judgment by your heart alone…
Cheers.
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 16 2013,10:58) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 16 2013,03:53) Wakeup, now you may understand 'baptism for the dead'.
2bband what is your understanding of it
Hi T,MY understanding of baptism for the dead is this:
Firstly, I believe that baptism is an important step (first) to accepting Jesus into your life (I say Jesus because it is in Jesus name that we are to be baptized).
It is only a step, the first step. There may be many many more steps and mistakes made and distance between heaven and us until things begin to happen.
Many people begin to think about truth and God. and then something tragic could happen to them whilst they are still in sin. Now, IF..IF..IF there is any truth to the need to be baptized, then …. if their eternity depended on it, and my love for them and my prayers and even my being baptized for them could save them then I would do it.
Perhaps I am wrong but I am going to see what i can find out in early writings.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 15 2013,13:26) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 14 2013,15:04) Hi EdJ,
The Day of the Lord (Return of Jesus) has not come yet, all of the writers in the NT were waiting for the day (future) and explanations were given as to what that day would be………………….
Good post, 2B.
Thanks Mike, yours were good too!Wakeup, Journey and Devo,
1) I do not follow the SDA teachings on prophecy, I do not even KNOW what they teach (much) but, one or two things that they do teach I agree with partly. So, can you please stop saying that I follow the SDA teachings, because, I don't. Thank-you.
2) Journey, I did enjoy talking to you, but…. then nothing that I said meant anything because you three were 100% right whilst everybody else was wrong.
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