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Hi WJ,
If you knew Jesus you would know the Father in him too.
Did you not know he worked in the name and anointing of his God?Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 01 2010,16:44) hi WJ ,
you are not guided by Christ spirit, i say this because you are more intensely involved with your own views and application of the scriptures than anything else,you place your self above God and Christ,this i hope will help the viewers of this quote to pay attention.
tWho has made you judge over my heart and my relationship with God and the Holy Spirit?
Is that all you can do is spat off accusations and condemnation and attacks on my personal relationship with God?
I think the readers can well see that you have nothing to say to my post because you cannot refute the truth!
WJ
Thinker………Another good dodge of the issues, Did Jesus say the WORDS HE SPOKE were (NOT) HIS WORDS?, A SIMPLE YES or NO Answer will suffice, not a bunch of TRINITARIAN GARBAGE. I have quoted WORD FOR WORD GOD'S WORDS , HERE I WILL DO IT AGAIN FOR YOU AND THEN TELL ME DOES THAT MAKE ME A GOD?…>” YOU SHALL HAVE (NO) OTHER GOD BESIDE ME” , there now am i a GOD too, Like you falsely say of Jesus. Because he did (NOT) speak (HIS) words either, did HE?, Just like i Did (NOT) speak (MY) Words. So are we EQUAL then, Equal GOD'S. But then again you (REALLY) don't care about what Jesus HIMSELF SAID, it's what you want to make HIM into a false GOD, is what counts to deluded TRINITARIANS. You have fallen head over heels into delusions , Denying both Jesus and GOD the FATHER. YOU believe neither nor what they each have said. IMO
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 02 2010,08:57) Hi WJ,
If you knew Jesus you would know the Father in him too.
Did you not know he worked in the name and anointing of his God?
Nick………they absolutely do not or they would not be trying to make another GOD out of the flesh and blood (MAN) Jesus. Creating the False (IMAGE) of the MAN OF SIN . They neither know the FATHER or The SON. Or they would teach the teachings of Jesus and Glorify the FATHER as the (ONLY)TRUE GOD< as Jesus DID. IMOQuote (Gene @ Jan. 01 2010,17:10) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 02 2010,08:57) Hi WJ,
If you knew Jesus you would know the Father in him too.
Did you not know he worked in the name and anointing of his God?
Nick………they absolutely do not or they would not be trying to make another GOD out of the flesh and blood (MAN) Jesus. Creating the False (IMAGE) of the MAN OF SIN . They neither know the FATHER or The SON. Or they would teach the teachings of Jesus and Glorify the FATHER as the (ONLY)TRUE GOD< as Jesus DID. IMO
NH and GeneAre you still following Jesus after the flesh?
WJ
WJ………..Jesus is our Brother and we do not push him away from our (EXACT) identity as you and the rest of the TRINITARIANS do,WE are very comfortable knowing He is our elder Brother and watches over us before the FATHER. While you on th other Hand can not say that, because you Have made a deference between Jesus and Yourself and separated Him from your identity, howbeit you don't understand that. IMO
Hi WJ,
But you follow the catholic church's novel trinity.
Should you not abide in the teachings of Jesus?Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 01 2010,17:20) WJ
i just read your quotes its says all about you and your believes is it not
So you think that because your beliefs are different than mine on the nature of God that you can judge me and say “I am not guided by the Spirit and place myself above the Father and Jesus”?Why don't you just show me where I have ever exalted myself above the Father or Jesus instead of making such an accusation.
You spout off words yet you cannot make “One” single defence against the post Jack and I post!
“I know in whom I have believed and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have commited unto him against that day“.
Do you know who made that statement and to whom he was speaking of? Was it the Father or Jesus?
Just to set the record straight I believe Jesus is the “Son of God”. But the term does not imply that Jesus is less than the Father in nature.
You are just as human as your Father or mother, yet they may be greater than you. So your argument is a straw mans.
Why don't you point by point explain how the scriptures that Jack and I post here proving the Deity of Christ cannot be as we share it?
Why don't you enter into intelligent debate without all the accusations and personal judgments about our walk with God or our relationship with him?
WJ
Quote (Gene @ Jan. 01 2010,17:49) WJ………..Jesus is our Brother and we do not push him away from our (EXACT) identity as you and the rest of the TRINITARIANS do,WE are very comfortable knowing He is our elder Brother and watches over us before the FATHER. While you on th other Hand can not say that, because you Have made a deference between Jesus and Yourself and separated Him from your identity, howbeit you don't understand that. IMO
GeneGood for you! If you want to view Jesus after the image of a human brother and are comfortable with that fine.
I choose to see Jesus as being the Lord of Lords and King of Kings who has all things and all authority and Power who sits in the Fathers throne being worshipped with the Father, all things being subject to him, with the Spirit proceeding from him.
Jesus is “My Way, My Truth, and My Life”! John 14:6
If you have Jesus then you have the Father!
I view Jesus as being exactly like the Father in every way and who is the only means by and through whom I recieve anything from God!
That is because to me John, Thomas, Paul and others, Jesus is Our Great God and Savour!
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 02 2010,08:55) Quote (942767 @ Jan. 01 2010,15:55) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 01 2010,05:06) Quote (thethinker @ Dec. 31 2009,12:52) Gene said: Quote YOU fail to see the forest because of all the trees, dump your 600 scholars and rely on GOD to reveal His the truth to you.
Gene correctly says that God reveals truth. The Son reveals truth. Therefore, the Son is God.THE SON REVEALS THE FATHER TO US:
” All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him” Matthew 11:27
Major premise: God reveals truth
Minor premise: The Son reveals the Father
Conclusion: Therefore, the Son is GodJESUS CHRIST REVEALED THE GOSPEL TO PAUL:
“But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ” Galatians 1:11-12
There it is friends! Paul said that the gospel did not come to him by man but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. It was Jesus who revealed the gospel truth to Paul andt it did not come to him by man. Then Jesus is clearly God for the truth did not come to Paul by man.
Thanks Gene buddy.
thinker
JackHome run!
Gene what do you say to Pauls statement that he didn't get his revelation from man?
Paul's view of Jesus is he was his “Great God and Savour”. Tit 2:13
WJ
Hi WJ:Did I not hear you acknowledge to your buddy Jack that Jesus stated that the words that he spoke were coming from the Father?
Maybe I am wrong, but I thought you had acknowledged this.
Love in Christ,
Marty
MartyYou heard what you wanted to hear!
My point is Paul says the revelation he recieved was not from man, but then gives Jesus credit for giving him the revelation without mention of the Father.
My point is Paul's mindset is, Jesus is not a mere man, but in fact Pauls understanding of him is he is God as other scriptures indicate!
WJ
Hi WJ:No, Jesus is not any “mere” man, but the scriptures state that he is a man. He is God's Christ, and so, the revelation comes from God through him. He has already made that understanding clear.
He is God in that he is the “express image of God's person”, but he has said:
Quote Jhn 17:3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. Maybe the following scriptures will help:
Quote Jhn 12:47 And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, [fn] I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. Jhn 12:48 He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him–the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.
Jhn 12:49 For I have not spoken on My own [authority]; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.
Jhn 12:50 And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak.”
And so, whether or not you acknowledged it to Jack or not, this is what Jesus said.
Quote 1Ti 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus Love in Christ,
MartyWorshiping Jesus wrote to Marty:
Quote My point is Paul says the revelation he received was not from man, but then gives Jesus credit for giving him the revelation without mention of the Father.
2 Peter 1:21(NIV) reads:
Quote For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
I certainly believe that Jesus speaks the word of God even when scripture does not state that.
Quote (Gene @ Jan. 02 2010,09:04) Thinker………Another good dodge of the issues, Did Jesus say the WORDS HE SPOKE were (NOT) HIS WORDS?, A SIMPLE YES or NO Answer will suffice, not a bunch of TRINITARIAN GARBAGE. I have quoted WORD FOR WORD GOD'S WORDS , HERE I WILL DO IT AGAIN FOR YOU AND THEN TELL ME DOES THAT MAKE ME A GOD?…>” YOU SHALL HAVE (NO) OTHER GOD BESIDE ME” , there now am i a GOD too, Like you falsely say of Jesus. Because he did (NOT) speak (HIS) words either, did HE?, Just like i Did (NOT) speak (MY) Words. So are we EQUAL then, Equal GOD'S. But then again you (REALLY) don't care about what Jesus HIMSELF SAID, it's what you want to make HIM into a false GOD, is what counts to deluded TRINITARIANS. You have fallen head over heels into delusions , Denying both Jesus and GOD the FATHER. YOU believe neither nor what they each have said. IMO
Gene,
Jesus did say that the words He spoke were not His own. I have admitted to this a zillion times. I also said that when He was exalted all truth became His as well as the Father's. No “dodging” on my part Gene.You are the one who picks and chooses what if what Jesus said is true or not.
Quote I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. 15All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.
Jesus said in reference to truth, “All that the Father has IS MINE.” What about this do you not understand?Now you accuse me of “dodging” the issues. But you still have not answered my question: Did Jesus Himself reveal the Father to you or not? Answer plainly. Everyone is watching.
WJ and I are winning the argument because you are making false accusations and now even terraricca is bad mouthing WJ. This is what people do when they cannot win an argument.
Quote All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
THE SON REVEALED THE FATHER TO YOU ACCORDING TO HIS OWN WILL! PLAIN AND SIMPLE! YOU DENY HIS EXALTATION!thinker
hi TT
“all that the father has is mine; does not means that Christ is God ,Christ is the first creation of God and it is for him ,so whats your problem,you just do not want to believe and recognise God and his Son,
if you believe in the trinity that you privilege it is your free will of decision you will bare the load of your choice.
there is so many quotes that we only repeat everything over and over.
I come to the conclution that you will not change your believe or stop arguing on this abomination agains God and his Son.
the king is dead, long live the king they chant.
roman teachings, pure and simple, not hard to understand at all.
Quote (thethinker @ Jan. 02 2010,12:00) Quote (Gene @ Jan. 02 2010,09:04) Thinker………Another good dodge of the issues, Did Jesus say the WORDS HE SPOKE were (NOT) HIS WORDS?, A SIMPLE YES or NO Answer will suffice, not a bunch of TRINITARIAN GARBAGE. I have quoted WORD FOR WORD GOD'S WORDS , HERE I WILL DO IT AGAIN FOR YOU AND THEN TELL ME DOES THAT MAKE ME A GOD?…>” YOU SHALL HAVE (NO) OTHER GOD BESIDE ME” , there now am i a GOD too, Like you falsely say of Jesus. Because he did (NOT) speak (HIS) words either, did HE?, Just like i Did (NOT) speak (MY) Words. So are we EQUAL then, Equal GOD'S. But then again you (REALLY) don't care about what Jesus HIMSELF SAID, it's what you want to make HIM into a false GOD, is what counts to deluded TRINITARIANS. You have fallen head over heels into delusions , Denying both Jesus and GOD the FATHER. YOU believe neither nor what they each have said. IMO
Gene,
Jesus did say that the words He spoke were not His own. I have admitted to this a zillion times. I also said that when He was exalted all truth became His as well as the Father's. No a”dodging” on my part Gene.You are the one who picks and chooses what Jesus if what said is true or not.
Quote I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. 15All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.
Jesus said in reference to truth, “All that the Father has IS MINE.” What about this do you not understand?Now you accuse me of “dodging” the issues. But you still have not answered my question: Did Jesus Himself reveal the Father to you or not? Answer plainly. Everyone is watching.
WJ and I are winning the argument because you are making false accusations and now even terraricca is bad mouthing WJ. This is what people do when they cannot win an argument.
Quote All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
THE SON REVEALED THE FATHER TO YOU ACCORDING TO HIS OWN WILL! PLAIN AND SIMPLE! YOU DENY HIS EXALTATION!thinker
Hi thethinker:No man can come to the Father except through Jesus, but you are making it sound that like he(Jesus) picks and chooses to whom he will reveal the Father, but let me remind you:
Quote Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. Jhn 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
And,
Quote 2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning [His] promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, [fn] not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. Love in Christ,
Martyhi marty
Jn 12:26 Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves meJn 12:44 Then Jesus cried out, “When a man believes in me, he does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me.
Jn 12:45 When he looks at me, he sees the one who sent me.
Jn 12:46 I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.
Jn 12:47 “As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it.
Jn 12:48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day.
Jn 12:49 For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it.
Jn 12:50 I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.”Thinker………The son revealing the FATHER to us WAS THE FATHERS WILL, JESUS PLAINLY SAID HE COULD DO NOTHING ON HIS OWN INITIATIVE AND NOW YOU BELIEVE JESUS IS DIFFERENT AND DOES WHAT EVER HE WILL AND WANTS TO DO. PURE GARBAGE IF THAT IS SO THEN WHY DOES HE GIVE BACK THE KINGDOM TO THE FATHER A BECOME SUBJECT (TO HIM) WHO GAVE HIS AUTHORITY. Now you would like us to believe when Jesus was on earth he obeyed the FATHER but NOW He doesn't, Just His (OWN) Will, is this the very will he put to death , must not be because you say HE has His own way and does what soever it wants to. Without regard to GOD the FATHER, because in you mind he has returned to be GOD HIMSELF. SO now we are not to give honor to Jesus to the GLORY of GOD any longer. Because He is fully GOD HIMSELF. PURE GARBAGE . IMO
Quote (terraricca @ Jan. 02 2010,15:03) hi marty
Jn 12:26 Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves meJn 12:44 Then Jesus cried out, “When a man believes in me, he does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me.
Jn 12:45 When he looks at me, he sees the one who sent me.
Jn 12:46 I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.
Jn 12:47 “As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it.
Jn 12:48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day.
Jn 12:49 For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it.
Jn 12:50 I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.”
Amen!!! This is the Word of God.Love in Christ,
MartyMarty said:
Quote No man can come to the Father except through Jesus, but you are making it sound that like he(Jesus) picks and chooses to whom he will reveal the Father, but let me remind you:
Marty,Jesus CLEARLY said that He reveals the Father to men according as He wills:
” All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father. Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.”
He said that “ALL things have been delivered to Me by my Father.” Then He said that the Son reveals the Father to whom “HE WILLS”. Both statements together clearly infer that Jesus now has ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY.
Why did you avoid this verse? My guess is that you don't believe that Jesus was really exalted.
thinker
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