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Jesus is lord and our personal saviour and I know this and believe because God is Jesus our Father and he loves us and died so that we can have eternal life.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 27 2009,16:18) Hi EF,
Then Who is his God?[jn20]Your god died??
WJ would agree with you but please confess here and now that GOD Died if you do not your theology is on the ropes.Hi BD,
Perhaps it is a language or culture problem or perhaps you need the Spirit but you get the reverse of what I mean.
You need the Spirit.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 27 2009,18:32) Hi BD,
Perhaps it is a language or culture problem or perhaps you need the Spirit but you get the reverse of what I mean.
You need the Spirit.
Sorry nick,My Mistake. I understood what you meant.
Quote (Everlasting father Jesus @ July 27 2009,16:00) Jesus is lord and our personal saviour and I know this and believe because God is Jesus our Father and he loves us and died so that we can have eternal life.
Jesus is our Lord and Savior. He is God in the flesh. But He is NOT the Father. This is just another side of anti-trinitarianism. There are so many sides to anti-trinitarianism it is hard to keep up with them all.thinker
Quote (thethinker @ July 27 2009,19:29) Quote (Everlasting father Jesus @ July 27 2009,16:00) Jesus is lord and our personal saviour and I know this and believe because God is Jesus our Father and he loves us and died so that we can have eternal life.
Jesus is our Lord and Savior. He is God in the flesh. But He is NOT the Father. This is just another side of anti-trinitarianism. There are so many sides to anti-trinitarianism it is hard to keep up with them all.thinker
Hi thinker.Why is it hard to keep up with? All you have to do is put down where you can see it, something that comprises trinitarian doctrine. It will be negated by scripture in the hand of a Christian.
Quote (Everlasting father Jesus @ July 27 2009,16:00) Jesus is lord and our personal saviour and I know this and believe because God is Jesus our Father and he loves us and died so that we can have eternal life.
Jesus is our BROTHER, not our father. “Firstborn among many brethren.”The reason Messiah was to be given a name “everlasting father” is because of God's children who were given to Jesus to start his church.
Its kinda like when a farmer gives his son “starter seed” to plant his first crop.
Isaiah 8:18 Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.
John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
Heb 2:13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. -John 17:2
I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. -John 17:6
For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me. -John 17:8
I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine. -John 17:9
And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. -John 17:11
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. -John 17:12
And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: -John 17:22
Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. -John 17:24
That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none. -John 18:9
Paladin………..Amen brother. Thinker look at the (THOU) and the (ME) They are not the same there is ONLY one GOD and HE gave us to Christ Jesus, for safe keeping, WE are Heirs and JOINT HEIRS with Jesus. He is one of US not separate in any way our brother in every way, who is the (first) born into the kingdom of GOD, of (many) brethren.
peace and love to you and yours………………………gene
Thinker………..Man!, what do we have to do to get that (TRINITARIAN) Garbage out of your head brother.
peace and love to you and yours brother………………………gene
Quote (Paladin @ July 28 2009,00:11) Quote (thethinker @ July 27 2009,19:29) Quote (Everlasting father Jesus @ July 27 2009,16:00) Jesus is lord and our personal saviour and I know this and believe because God is Jesus our Father and he loves us and died so that we can have eternal life.
Jesus is our Lord and Savior. He is God in the flesh. But He is NOT the Father. This is just another side of anti-trinitarianism. There are so many sides to anti-trinitarianism it is hard to keep up with them all.thinker
Hi thinker.Why is it hard to keep up with? All you have to do is put down where you can see it, something that comprises trinitarian doctrine. It will be negated by scripture in the hand of a Christian.
Paladin,
You don't know what you are talking about. Anti-trinitarians are a “Heinz 57” bunch. They come in many varieties. They cannot agree with one another. On the other hand, trinitairans pretty much speak with one mind.thinker
Quote (Gene @ July 28 2009,02:34) Paladin………..Amen brother. Thinker look at the (THOU) and the (ME) They are not the same there is ONLY one GOD and HE gave us to Christ Jesus, for safe keeping, WE are Heirs and JOINT HEIRS with Jesus. He is one of US not separate in any way our brother in every way, who is the (first) born into the kingdom of GOD, of (many) brethren. peace and love to you and yours………………………gene
Gene,
I believe ALL the scriptures. 1 John 5:20 says that the Son is the “true God and eternal life.” I don't pick and choose which scriptures I believe and don't believe.thinker
thinker……….Then why don;t you believe where Jesus said “FOR THOU ART THE ONLY TRUE GOD” then” , and where God said “YOU SHALL HAVE (NO OTHER) GOD BESIDES ME. And where GOD said I ALONE AN GOD AND THERE IS (NO) OTHER. Seems you don't believe all scripture or you would not believe in a trinity brother. IMO
peace and love …………………….gene
Quote (Gene @ July 28 2009,06:13) thinker……….Then why don;t you believe where Jesus said “FOR THOU ART THE ONLY TRUE GOD” then” , and where God said “YOU SHALL HAVE (NO OTHER) GOD BESIDES ME. And where GOD said I ALONE AN GOD AND THERE IS (NO) OTHER. Seems you don't believe all scripture or you would not believe in a trinity brother. IMO peace and love …………………….gene
Jesus is the only true God and so is the Father and the Holy Spirit because these are simply 3 layers of God that's why Jesus is the Everlasting Father I agree with thinker.Hi EF,
So now we have a MULTILAYERED GOD?Will there ever be an end to this evolving human trinity folly?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 30 2009,12:20) Hi EF,
So now we have a MULTILAYERED GOD?Will there ever be an end to this evolving human trinity folly?
Nick,I don't get it, I thought you were a Christian, are you a muslim too? Every Christian knows that Jesus is God in the flesh.
If Jesus was not God in the flesh then he could not be greater than any other man because God is not a respector of persons.
Hi EF,
God was in Christ[2cor5.19]
Was God in God?Was Jesus his own father?
Did he really pray to Himself?
Quote (Everlasting father Jesus @ July 30 2009,12:31) Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 30 2009,12:20) Hi EF,
So now we have a MULTILAYERED GOD?Will there ever be an end to this evolving human trinity folly?
Nick,I don't get it, I thought you were a Christian, are you a muslim too? Every Christian knows that Jesus is God in the flesh.
If Jesus was not God in the flesh then he could not be greater than any other man because God is not a respector of persons.
Jesus was not God in the flesh, but I guess in a way you could say he was God in the flesh as God was with him and indwelling in him was the Holy Spirit. I guess the point is not that God was “in” the flesh but that the fleshis not comprehensive of God.So the point is Jesus is not God although God was with him.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 30 2009,12:20) Hi EF,
So now we have a MULTILAYERED GOD?Will there ever be an end to this evolving human trinity folly?
Nick……….It will not end until Jesus returns and abolishes the LIE, as 2Ths 2 shows. We are called to defend the Truth against all these deluded Trinitarian Idolaters. Thanks be to GOD the FATHER He has blessed us with this understanding. IMOpeace and love to you and yours……………………gene
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