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No I do not believe Mary is a surrogate mother but the true mother of the Son of Man[Adam].
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Nick,
So you do believe that Mary is the “true” mother of the Son of Man. But what of the Son of God?
OK, I'm getting closer now….:)
But if true son of Mary, then the spirit person who existed before was united with the contributions Mary gave during conception? And if so, wouldn't that alter this previous spirit person into an all together different person?
Quote (Not3in1 @ April 20 2007,04:07) OK, I'm getting closer now….:) But if true son of Mary, then the spirit person who existed before was united with the contributions Mary gave during conception? And if so, wouldn't that alter this previous spirit person into an all together different person?
Hi not3,
Who knows?Ahhhhhh, come on, Nick. Don't leave me hanging here like this.
See, if you admit that it DOES alter the pre-existent spirit being…….we have a problem, don't we?
If you admit that there is no altering done during conception/birth, then you are subscribing to a more incarnation belief.
Some on this forum just want to look at Bible verses that are in the context of Christ mission as Messiah but don't like when shown the multitude of scripture identifying Him as the divine Jehovah God. They wish that He will stay eternally incarnate. For some, this is willful blindness which is sin.
They myopically focus on Christ's incarnation as a man, yet they ignore the overwhelming evidence of His deity. When confronted with these truths they then try to “dance around” them. They are dishonest with the Word of God and with themselves.
Phi 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Phi 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Phi 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
]Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us]Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom
JOHN 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; the darkness comprehended it not
They myopically focus on Christ's incarnation as a man, yet they ignore the overwhelming evidence of His deity.
************And visa-versa. Thanks for pointing this out.
Hi CB,
You need to know the Son of God.
God was still in heaven when Jesus told his disciples how to pray to Him.
How can you be restored to relationship with Father God is you refuse to recognise His Son?God in the flesh…….
Because God is not a man, it is safe to say that God was “in” Jesus, or a part of Jesus.
I've heard it said of me that I look just like my mother (my mother is dead and resting in the Lord) – they say, “Mandy, you are your mother in the flesh!” What they are meaning, of course, is that we look so much a like.
Could this be the same with Jesus – that he is God in the flesh – because he is his true Son?
Quote (Not3in1 @ April 27 2007,16:04) God in the flesh……. Because God is not a man, it is safe to say that God was “in” Jesus, or a part of Jesus.
I've heard it said of me that I look just like my mother (my mother is dead and resting in the Lord) – they say, “Mandy, you are your mother in the flesh!” What they are meaning, of course, is that we look so much a like.
Could this be the same with Jesus – that he is God in the flesh – because he is his true Son?
Hi not3,
Scripture does not rely on colloquial meanings in english but is truth.The Son of God came from heaven and was filled with the Spirit of God at the Jordan thence revealing that God to men.Nick Hassen
Quote Hi CB,
You need to know the Son of God.
God was still in heaven when Jesus told his disciples how to pray to Him.
How can you be restored to relationship with Father God is you refuse to recognise His Son?Nick. And do you recognise who the son is?
JOHN 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
TITUS 2:13 awaiting our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ;
JOHN 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
JOHN 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
PHILIPPIANS 2:5-6 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: (6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
COLOSSIANS 2:9-10 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
1 TIMOTHY 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Compare
Psa 41:13 Blessed be the LORD God of Israel from everlasting, and to everlasting. Amen, and Amen.
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MICAH 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, {though} thou be little among the thousands of Judah, {yet} out of thee shall he come forth unto me {that is} to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth {have been} from of old, from everlasting.Compare
1 CHRONICLES 28:9 . . . the Lord searcheth all hearts, and understandeth all the imaginations of the thoughts:
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MATTHEW 9:4 And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?
MATTHEW 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, . . .
REVELATION 2:23 . . . I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: . . .Compare
Isa 40:3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
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Mat 3:3 For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.Compare1Sa 2:2 There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
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1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.Compare
Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
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Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Joh 18:6 When therefore he said unto them, I am, they went backward, and fell to the ground.Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Zec 7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.
Hi CB,
Your unique view of a three deity theory not even found written in scripture can hardly be taken seriously among those who worship ONE GOD.Hi,
God, as Spirit, was in the flesh of Jesus, from the Jordan.
But Jesus was not that God that was in him.God is not a man.
God's Son is a man.God is spirit and gave his spirit without measure to his Son (makes sense).
We also have access to this divine nature through the same spirit.Is God in our flesh because his spirit dwells in us?
Amen not3
Eph 3
” 19And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God. “
Phil2
” 13For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”Hi,
It is the Mystery of godliness.
We are into spiritual matters in 1tim.3.16.
God manifested in the flesh of the prophets as His Spirit.
But the fullness of God’s nature and abilities was expressed in the man Jesus of Nazareth.
All this happened after his anointing by the Holy Spirit at the Jordan.
Many deny the anointing, imagining that he not conceived in Mary but was a preexistent spirit being.
They believe that he was born anointed and that “coming in the flesh” just means birth, so he was never truly a Son of Man.
Hi,
Man erred when he tried to decipher spiritual mysteries using useless simplistic human logic.
To make a man his God seemed the simple answer but it broke sacred Scripture.
Sadly these foolish theologians misled millions coming after them.
Nick….Very well put brother, these false assumptions started early on in the church by false teachers, even in the time of the apostles were these INIQUITIES forming, it all HAD TO DO WITH THE IDENITY OF WHO THE REAL JESUS WAS. JUST AS JESUS SAID, “MANY” shall come in my name saying I AM, and decieve many”. Yes a false “IMAGE” of Jesus which is the “LIE” Spoken of in 2ths2. The “LIE” taught about JESUS, WHICH CHANGES THE TRUE “IMAGE” OF HIM INTO, A “MAN OF SIN”,
Remember God the Fathers first commandment, “you shall have “NO” OTHER GOD BESIDES ME”; You shall make “NO IMAGE” OF ME IN HEAVEN ABOVE OR EARTH BENEATH. Any “IMAGE” Thats creates ANOTHER GOD is a “LIE” AND a “SIN”.
ALL Those who preach Jesus as a God, are IDOLATERS, “little childern keep yourselves from IDOLS”.
Peace and love to you and yours. …….gene.
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