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Colter.
What is your Gods name then?
And dont judge the Holy bible by what the followers are doing with it. I agree that they have corrupted the teachings of the bible,and you seem to be one of them,mixing it With the teachings of strange books,and strange doctrines.1.Tim.4:1.Now the spirit speaks expressly,that in latter times some shall depart from the faith,and giving heed to seducing spirits,and doctrines of devils.
2. Speaking lies in hypocricy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron.
wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ July 09 2012,06:38) Hi Colter, JEHOVAH – is how the translators translated the name [יהוה] YÄ-hä-vā.
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org
Yes, as I stated, the term “Jehovah” wasn't in use until Galatinus began to defend the translation in 1520. The English use appeared in Tyndales translation of the Pentateuch.Can we get back to the topic? Do people understand that the fallen ones were originally trusted servants of God who turned of that faith, embraced sin and attempted a takeover?
Colter
Quote (Wakeup @ July 09 2012,06:54) Colter. What is your Gods name then?
And dont judge the Holy bible by what the followers are doing with it. I agree that they have corrupted the teachings of the bible,and you seem to be one of them,mixing it With the teachings of strange books,and strange doctrines.1.Tim.4:1.Now the spirit speaks expressly,that in latter times some shall depart from the faith,and giving heed to seducing spirits,and doctrines of devils.
2. Speaking lies in hypocricy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron.
wakeup.
The proper name of God the Father is not known, the term Jehovah evolved from Yahweh, which evolved from still other names and descriptive terms. If Jesus knew the actual name of the Father, he chose not to use it.The Jews saw Jesus' teaching as “strange”, they also hid behind their scriptures as a foundation to reject his teaching.
You are wasting time with the Halloween talk of demons and evil spirits, they are a figment of your imagination and likely something that some manipulator has used on you.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 08 2012,14:40) Do people understand that the fallen ones were originally trusted servants of God who turned of that faith, embraced sin and attempted a takeover?
What did they attempt to take over? God and his rule in heaven? Or did they just want to be left alone to rule earth as they saw fit?Quote (Colter @ July 09 2012,07:52) Quote (Wakeup @ July 09 2012,06:54) Colter. What is your Gods name then?
And dont judge the Holy bible by what the followers are doing with it. I agree that they have corrupted the teachings of the bible,and you seem to be one of them,mixing it With the teachings of strange books,and strange doctrines.1.Tim.4:1.Now the spirit speaks expressly,that in latter times some shall depart from the faith,and giving heed to seducing spirits,and doctrines of devils.
2. Speaking lies in hypocricy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron.
wakeup.
The proper name of God the Father is not known, the term Jehovah evolved from Yahweh, which evolved from still other names and descriptive terms. If Jesus knew the actual name of the Father, he chose not to use it.The Jews saw Jesus' teaching as “strange”, they also hid behind their scriptures as a foundation to reject his teaching.
You are wasting time with the Halloween talk of demons and evil spirits, they are a figment of your imagination and likely something that some manipulator has used on you.
Colter
Colter.I had this discussion about satan and his fallen angels with GeneB.He also does not believe that satan is a creature,but the fallen angels are; So if you follow up this discussion you will find my answers.lucifer is an angel,and satan was cast out from heaven with his angels,Jesus was tempted by satan; he did not tempt himself with the evil that is inside him,for he was perfect.Judas was tempted by satan going INSIDE HIM.
———————————————————–We can not put God in a box,for he called himself by many names.
I AM THAT I AM,THE LORD OF HOST,THE KING OF ISRAEL,THE REDEEMER,THE SAVIOUR,THE ALPHA AND OMEGA,THE FIRST AND THE LAST,YHWH.wakeup.
Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 09 2012,09:40) Quote (Colter @ July 08 2012,14:40) Do people understand that the fallen ones were originally trusted servants of God who turned of that faith, embraced sin and attempted a takeover?
What did they attempt to take over? God and his rule in heaven? Or did they just want to be left alone to rule earth as they saw fit?
That’s a very good question, really, I don't know why Christianity doesn’t spend more time asking serious questions. Just what did Satan or Lucifer expect by rebelling? Wouldn't that be somewhat illogical, suicidal, unwise and just plain undoable if one excepts the traditional view that theirs God, his Son, some angels and this rebellious Satan flittering about? I mean wouldn’t they know that things wouldn’t go well???The Urantia revelation reveals more, much much more about the universe, the inhabited worlds, the enormity of Paradise, the Sons of God and the faith that all created beings live by, whether angelic, celestial, mortal etc.
Lucifer and his assistant Satan were created celestial beings……they also lived by faith in the unseen Father. While they knew their elder creator brother Michael (Jesus of Nazareth) now “Christ Michael, they also had to live by faith in the unseen Father.
Authority is delegated in a descending chain of Sons, that’s how Satan or “the prince of this world” was ever able to be in a position to “fool the whole world”.
The UB reveals that Christ Michael is the creator Son of 10,000,000 inhabited (evolved) worlds. Lucifer had responsibility for a number of those worlds, in his rebellion he was able to lead 38 worlds into darkness and sin by converting the respective resident “planitary princes” over to his cause.
At the time of the rebellion some 200,000 years ago, the rebel worlds were “cut off” from the planetary circuits, isolated to stem the spread of the rebellion.
This is the Lucifer manifesto from the UB:
3. The Lucifer Manifesto
(603.2) 53:3.1 Whatever the early origins of trouble in the hearts of Lucifer and Satan, the final outbreak took form as the Lucifer Declaration of Liberty. The cause of the rebels was stated under three heads:
(603.3) 53:3.2 1. The reality of the Universal Father. Lucifer charged that the Universal Father did not really exist, that physical gravity and space-energy were inherent in the universe, and that the Father was a myth invented by the Paradise Sons to enable them to maintain the rule of the universes in the Father’s name. He denied that personality was a gift of the Universal Father. He even intimated that the finaliters were in collusion with the Paradise Sons to foist fraud upon all creation since they never brought back a very clear-cut idea of the Father’s actual personality as it is discernible on Paradise. He traded on reverence as ignorance. The charge was sweeping, terrible, and blasphemous. It was this veiled attack upon the finaliters that no doubt influenced the ascendant citizens then on Jerusem to stand firm and remain steadfast in resistance to all the rebel’s proposals.
(603.4) 53:3.3 2. The universe government of the Creator Son — Michael. Lucifer contended that the local systems should be autonomous. He protested against the right of Michael, the Creator Son, to assume sovereignty of Nebadon in the name of a hypothetical Paradise Father and require all personalities to acknowledge allegiance to this unseen Father. He asserted that the whole plan of worship was a clever scheme to aggrandize the Paradise Sons. He was willing to acknowledge Michael as his Creator-father but not as his God and rightful ruler.
(603.5) 53:3.4 Most bitterly did he attack the right of the Ancients of Days — “foreign potentates” — to interfere in the affairs of the local systems and universes. These rulers he denounced as tyrants and usurpers. He exhorted his followers to believe that none of these rulers could do aught to interfere with the operation of complete home rule if men and angels only had the courage to assert themselves and boldly claim their rights.
(603.6) 53:3.5 He contended that the executioners of the Ancients of Days could be debarred from functioning in the local systems if the native beings would only assert their independence. He maintained that immortality was inherent in the system personalities, that resurrection was natural and automatic, and that all beings would live eternally except for the arbitrary and unjust acts of the executioners of the Ancients of Days.
(604.1) 53:3.6 3. The attack upon the universal plan of ascendant mortal training. Lucifer maintained that far too much time and energy were expended upon the scheme of so thoroughly training ascending mortals in the principles of universe administration, principles which he alleged were unethical and unsound. He protested against the agelong program for preparing the mortals of space for some unknown destiny and pointed to the presence of the finaliter corps on Jerusem as proof that these mortals had spent ages of preparation for some destiny of pure fiction. With derision he pointed out that the finaliters had encountered a destiny no more glorious than to be returned to humble spheres similar to those of their origin. He intimated that they had been debauched by overmuch discipline and prolonged training, and that they were in reality traitors to their mortal fellows since they were now co-operating with the scheme of enslaving all creation to the fictions of a mythical eternal destiny for ascending mortals. He advocated that ascenders should enjoy the liberty of individual self-determination. He challenged and condemned the entire plan of mortal ascension as sponsored by the Paradise Sons of God and supported by the Infinite Spirit.
(604.2) 53:3.7 And it was with such a Declaration of Liberty that Lucifer launched his orgy of darkness and death.
4. Outbreak of the Rebellion
(604.3) 53:4.1 The Lucifer manifesto was issued at the annual conclave of Satania on the sea of glass, in the presence of the assembled hosts of Jerusem, on the last day of the year, about two hundred thousand years ago, Urantia time. Satan proclaimed that worship could be accorded the universal forces — physical, intellectual, and spiritual — but that allegiance could be acknowledged only to the actual and present ruler, Lucifer, the “friend of men and angels” and the “God of liberty.”
(604.4) 53:4.2 Self-assertion was the battle cry of the Lucifer rebellion. One of his chief arguments was that, if self-government was good and right for the Melchizedeks and other groups, it was equally good for all orders of intelligence. He was bold and persistent in the advocacy of the “equality of mind” and “the brotherhood of intelligence.” He maintained that all government should be limited to the local planets and their voluntary confederation into the local systems. All other supervision he disallowed. He promised the Planetary Princes that they should rule the worlds as supreme executives. He denounced the location of legislative activities on the constellation headquarters and the conduct of judicial affairs on the universe capital. He contended that all these functions of government should be concentrated on the system capitals and proceeded to set up his own legislative assembly and organized his own tribunals under the jurisdiction of Satan. And he directed that the princes on the apostate worlds do the same.
(604.5) 53:4.3 The entire administrative cabinet of Lu
cifer went over in a body and were sworn in publicly as the officers of the administration of the new head of “the liberated worlds and systems.”(605.1) 53:4.4 While there had been two previous rebellions in Nebadon, they were in distant constellations. Lucifer held that these insurrections were unsuccessful because the majority of the intelligences failed to follow their leaders. He contended that “majorities rule,” that “mind is infallible.” The freedom allowed him by the universe rulers apparently sustained many of his nefarious contentions. He defied all his superiors; yet they apparently took no note of his doings. He was given a free hand to prosecute his seductive plan without let or hindrance.
(605.2) 53:4.5 All the merciful delays of justice Lucifer pointed to as evidence of the inability of the government of the Paradise Sons to stop the rebellion. He would openly defy and arrogantly challenge Michael, Immanuel, and the Ancients of Days and then point to the fact that no action ensued as positive evidence of the impotency of the universe and the superuniverse governments.
(605.3) 53:4.6 Gabriel was personally present throughout all these disloyal proceedings and only announced that he would, in due time, speak for Michael, and that all beings would be left free and unmolested in their choice; that the “government of the Sons for the Father desired only that loyalty and devotion which was voluntary, wholehearted, and sophistry-proof.”
(605.4) 53:4.7 Lucifer was permitted fully to establish and thoroughly to organize his rebel government before Gabriel made any effort to contest the right of secession or to counterwork the rebel propaganda. But the Constellation Fathers immediately confined the action of these disloyal personalities to the system of Satania. Nevertheless, this period of delay was a time of great trial and testing to the loyal beings of all Satania. All was chaotic for a few years, and there was great confusion on the mansion worlds.
5. Nature of the Conflict
(605.5) 53:5.1 Upon the outbreak of the Satania rebellion, Michael took counsel of his Paradise brother, Immanuel. Following this momentous conference, Michael announced that he would pursue the same policy which had characterized his dealings with similar upheavals in the past, an attitude of noninterference.
(605.6) 53:5.2 At the time of this rebellion and the two which preceded it there was no absolute and personal sovereign authority in the universe of Nebadon. Michael ruled by divine right, as vicegerent of the Universal Father, but not yet in his own personal right. He had not completed his bestowal career; he had not yet been vested with “all power in heaven and on earth.”
(605.7) 53:5.3 From the outbreak of rebellion to the day of his enthronement as sovereign ruler of Nebadon, Michael never interfered with the rebel forces of Lucifer; they were allowed to run a free course for almost two hundred thousand years of Urantia time. Christ Michael now has ample power and authority to deal promptly, even summarily, with such outbreaks of disloyalty, but we doubt that this sovereign authority would lead him to act differently if another such upheaval should occur.
(605.8) 53:5.4 Since Michael elected to remain aloof from the actual warfare of the Lucifer rebellion, Gabriel called his personal staff together on Edentia and, in counsel with the Most Highs, elected to assume command of the loyal hosts of Satania. Michael remained on Salvington while Gabriel proceeded to Jerusem, and establishing himself on the sphere dedicated to the Father — the same Universal Father whose personality Lucifer and Satan had questioned — in the presence of the forgathered hosts of loyal personalities, he displayed the banner of Michael, the material emblem of the Trinity government of all creation, the three azure blue concentric circles on a white background.
(606.1) 53:5.5 The Lucifer emblem was a banner of white with one red circle, in the center of which a black solid circle appeared.
(606.2) 53:5.6 “There was war in heaven; Michael’s commander and his angels fought against the dragon (Lucifer, Satan, and the apostate princes); and the dragon and his rebellious angels fought but prevailed not.” This “war in heaven” was not a physical battle as such a conflict might be conceived on Urantia. In the early days of the struggle Lucifer held forth continuously in the planetary amphitheater. Gabriel conducted an unceasing exposure of the rebel sophistries from his headquarters taken up near at hand. The various personalities present on the sphere who were in doubt as to their attitude would journey back and forth between these discussions until they arrived at a final decision.
(606.3) 53:5.7 But this war in heaven was very terrible and very real. While displaying none of the barbarities so characteristic of physical warfare on the immature worlds, this conflict was far more deadly; material life is in jeopardy in material combat, but the war in heaven was fought in terms of life eternal.
Quote (Wakeup @ July 09 2012,09:42) Quote (Colter @ July 09 2012,07:52) Quote (Wakeup @ July 09 2012,06:54) Colter. What is your Gods name then?
And dont judge the Holy bible by what the followers are doing with it. I agree that they have corrupted the teachings of the bible,and you seem to be one of them,mixing it With the teachings of strange books,and strange doctrines.1.Tim.4:1.Now the spirit speaks expressly,that in latter times some shall depart from the faith,and giving heed to seducing spirits,and doctrines of devils.
2. Speaking lies in hypocricy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron.
wakeup.
The proper name of God the Father is not known, the term Jehovah evolved from Yahweh, which evolved from still other names and descriptive terms. If Jesus knew the actual name of the Father, he chose not to use it.The Jews saw Jesus' teaching as “strange”, they also hid behind their scriptures as a foundation to reject his teaching.
You are wasting time with the Halloween talk of demons and evil spirits, they are a figment of your imagination and likely something that some manipulator has used on you.
Colter
Colter.I had this discussion about satan and his fallen angels with GeneB.He also does not believe that satan is a creature,but the fallen angels are; So if you follow up this discussion you will find my answers.lucifer is an angel,and satan was cast out from heaven with his angels,Jesus was tempted by satan; he did not tempt himself with the evil that is inside him,for he was perfect.Judas was tempted by satan going INSIDE HIM.
———————————————————–We can not put God in a box,for he called himself by many names.
I AM THAT I AM,THE LORD OF HOST,THE KING OF ISRAEL,THE REDEEMER,THE SAVIOUR,THE ALPHA AND OMEGA,THE FIRST AND THE LAST,YHWH.wakeup.
Satan was a fallen Son of God, he was no creature. An animal didn't have a conversation with Eve, it took someone very real, very high in authority and brilliance to deceive the whole world, not some sort of lizard.Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 08 2012,01:33) Quote (Wakeup @ July 07 2012,22:49) Quote (Colter @ July 07 2012,12:44) Quote (Wakeup @ July 07 2012,10:07) Colter. Which of the two revelations would you believe; The revelation from God (the book of revelation) or the revelation of urantia?
What is wrong with the flesh of Christ? Is it not to your taste,that you have to feed on strange flesh?
Eating strange flesh is just like eating junk food,its not good for your health,in this case your spirit.wakeup.
Jesus didn't teach the vampire doctrines, your flesh eating is foreign to the original gospel of spiritual rebirth and living faith.You asked a serious question and you got the answer, however your mind is sealed by the corrupt churches idolatrous book fetish.
The books which comprise the bible don't even claim to be “the word of God.” The Son is “the word”, the human narratives about the doings of God and man are imperfect.
Colter
Colter.I am confused; you are saying that Jesus is the word of God,but then you say the words of jesus in the bible is not the word of God.Jesus did mention the old prophets,and the 12 apostles,they and others saw Jesus hanging on the cross and also taken up to heaven.
No, Jesus teachings are not vampire doctrines of eating flesh, as of red meat. But his flesh is the word of God; for he is the word of God.
I am not influenced by any church doctrine.But you seem to be influenced by some unknown doctrine to me; may I ask what doctrine?
If the Holy bible is not the word of God; then which one is?
wakeup.
To the extent that the words and teachings of Jesus were accurately preserved within the books of the Bible then I see those as the “word of God.'” But nothing that the hand of man has touched can be considered the inerrant word of God.Doctrine petrifies, crystallises and stagnates. The religion OF Jesus is a living faith/trust in God >now< not the fetish of book worship.
The church used the supposed perfection of the scripture to control people, the churches followers in tern do the same to others. The Jews used the scripture to deny Jesus because in truth he was really quite different then the expected Jewish Messiah.
I have living faith but no doctrines.
Colter
Colter.Please tell me: where does Jesus birth ,cross,ascension,fit in this doctrine;and also israel brought out of egypt,and moses and the crossing of the sea.
The prophets etc.
You have a lot to explain,and please do.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ July 09 2012,16:13) Quote (Colter @ July 08 2012,01:33) Quote (Wakeup @ July 07 2012,22:49) Quote (Colter @ July 07 2012,12:44) Quote (Wakeup @ July 07 2012,10:07) Colter. Which of the two revelations would you believe; The revelation from God (the book of revelation) or the revelation of urantia?
What is wrong with the flesh of Christ? Is it not to your taste,that you have to feed on strange flesh?
Eating strange flesh is just like eating junk food,its not good for your health,in this case your spirit.wakeup.
Jesus didn't teach the vampire doctrines, your flesh eating is foreign to the original gospel of spiritual rebirth and living faith.You asked a serious question and you got the answer, however your mind is sealed by the corrupt churches idolatrous book fetish.
The books which comprise the bible don't even claim to be “the word of God.” The Son is “the word”, the human narratives about the doings of God and man are imperfect.
Colter
Colter.I am confused; you are saying that Jesus is the word of God,but then you say the words of jesus in the bible is not the word of God.Jesus did mention the old prophets,and the 12 apostles,they and others saw Jesus hanging on the cross and also taken up to heaven.
No, Jesus teachings are not vampire doctrines of eating flesh, as of red meat. But his flesh is the word of God; for he is the word of God.
I am not influenced by any church doctrine.But you seem to be influenced by some unknown doctrine to me; may I ask what doctrine?
If the Holy bible is not the word of God; then which one is?
wakeup.
To the extent that the words and teachings of Jesus were accurately preserved within the books of the Bible then I see those as the “word of God.'” But nothing that the hand of man has touched can be considered the inerrant word of God.Doctrine petrifies, crystallises and stagnates. The religion OF Jesus is a living faith/trust in God >now< not the fetish of book worship.
The church used the supposed perfection of the scripture to control people, the churches followers in tern do the same to others. The Jews used the scripture to deny Jesus because in truth he was really quite different then the expected Jewish Messiah.
I have living faith but no doctrines.
Colter
Colter.Please tell me: where does Jesus birth ,cross,ascension,fit in this doctrine;and also israel brought out of egypt,and moses and the crossing of the sea.
The prophets etc.
You have a lot to explain,and please do.wakeup.
Wakeup,I vastly simplified a huge amount of supporting data from the Urantia Papers in order to give you the shortest answer I could. I took the time to write this so I would appreciate a fair reading.
The collection of books which comprise the Bible are a young history; further complicated by the complete editing and redaction of the Old Testament books during the Babylonian captivity by the elite Hebrew priest class. After the Israelites lost their national identity and were again in captivity in Babylon, the priest (in a sincere attempt to salvage their heritage and maintain their faith identity) completely recast their secular history into a “miraculous history”. The OT books are “retrospective”, written by the >HebrewsHebrewsHebrew< audience. They see the rest of the people of the world as Gentile dogs while quite naturally they are the apple of Gods eye.
In short, they wrote a story for public consumption to make it appear that all of their history was guided by God.
The Urantia revelation explains that all evolutionary worlds receive a succession of Sons of various orders, these divine Sons rule on behalf of the Father, they are in effect “representatives” of the spiritual, universe government on the evolutionary worlds of time and space. Because our world fell into sin and was blessed with hosting the required incarnation of our Creator Son “Christ Michael” then we are somewhat out of order from the way things would have progressed had our world not fallen.
There have been 5 epochal revelations to this 4.5 billion year old evolutionary planet. [Man as we know it became will conscious about 1,000,000 years ago.]
1)500,000 years ago our Planetary Prince arrived with his staff of 100 super mortals. The Prices rule was interrupted by the Lucifer rebellion 200,000 years ago.(he became the crafty beast) Half of the staff enlisted in the rebellion, the other half remained loyal to the Fathers rule. [The rebel half, whose leader was “Nod” of the Nodites attempted to repopulate and rule the earth] Genesis 6:4
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.2)39,000 years ago Adam & Eve arrived on our dark, demoralized and backward world; all evolutionary worlds receive a Material Son and Daughter. Bodies are constructed for them by “celestial surgeons” using the most superior genetics available on the planet….but, they also bring something new and unique with them, a new gene of the Violet race. Adam & Eves ordinarily take over where the Prince leaves off; the Prince would then relinquish his responsibilities, except our prince (the crafty beast) had rebelled and was attempting to thwart the plan of redemption and support Lucifer’s attempt to be “God of this world”. A & E are teachers and biological uplifters; they have their own mortal children who are eventually expected to marry with others. In short, after over 100 years A & E were dispirited on this fallen world, the “craft beast” was able to carry out a flank attack on Eve by convincing her that mating with a mortal directly would speed up the biologic regeneration of the planet which was so debased do to the rebellion. IT WORKED! Eve didn’t eat a piece of fruit; she mated with one that she found “pleasing to the eye”. That was the sin! That was how she traded Gods will for her own little plan of world saving. For a second time the world fell, Gods plan was wrecked. The pair lost the use of “The Tree of Life”, they became like one of us, subject to mortal death and the ascension path that man must follow. They repented, were forgiven and left the First Garden site for the Second Garden. Cain ( a farmer) was the bastard child, constantly reminded of the sin, taunted by Able (a hunter) and (a pure line Son of A & E) Cain slew Able, in grief repented and was (spirit born-given the mark of the Lord) left the garden in search of his real/mortal fathers people “the Nodites” in the land of “Nod” where he found a wife and built a city.
When the new story was written by the Hebrew priest, they
were unable to trace their blood lines back to Adam, so they used Noah’s well known legend (part factual, but a much smaller, local flood in the Tigris/Euphrates region) in order to “drown the whole world in it’s own wickedness…..blood line problem solved, for an age, until science came along and just a little common since. Noah’s flood story in the Bible is fiction, the world did not rapidly re-evolve from Jews.
3)Roughly 3,500 years ago a celestial being from the Order of the Melchizedeks incarnate on the earth. Machiventia Melchizedek was on the earth for 90 years, his origin was a mystery to those taught by him, he hosted a monotheistic school in Salem where he taught of salvation by faith in The One God. He sent missionaries out across the world, those missionaries influenced many of the world religions.
It was Melchizedek who established the covenant with Abraham on behalf of the unseen God. By the time the Hebrews were writing their history they no longer believed in such a spectacular story so they had God himself coming down and talking directly to Abraham when in fact it had been Melchizedek. Melchizedek left as unceremoniously as he had arrived, however the author of Hebrews glimpsed something of how important he was.
Abraham “trusted” the promise without really knowing that his descendants were chosen to host the Son of God incarnate on the earth, not because they were a special race of people with a special nation, but because of their geographical proximity as the “crossroads of the world”. The region of Israel proper was the best place to send out massagers of the Gospel of the “kingdom of heaven.” But the Jews lost sight of their spiritual mission; they turned inward on themselves as a special race of people and fell victims to their evolved religion of priest and rituals. Their concept of the “Messiah” was inaccurate, their expectations were wrong, so when the Son of God stood before them they neither recognized him or his gospel of spiritual rehabilitation meant for the entire world.
Moses was a reformer, a great leader, the parting of the Red Sea was an exaggeration, the slaves that he lead out of Egypt also combined with other nomadic Bedouin people at Mt Sinai who subsequently intermarried with the Canaanites to become the Israelites.
4)Our Creator Son incarnate as a babe of the realm 2000 years ago for two reasons, first, it is a requirement of the Father for the Son to pass through the experience of his own co-created beings 7 incarnations the last of which is as a human.
The second reason for the incarnation was for a greater revelation of God to mankind, not only on this world, but on ALL the inhabited worlds under Christ Michael’s creatorship. Other worlds were able to observe the drama of Jesus life as it played out here.
The purpose of the cross was the voluntary submission to death by the Son for the purpose of experiencing all that man is called to experience, while maintaining faith in the Father. The cross was an incredible act of Love on behalf of our savior; he knows all that man is required to experience for he really spent his life on the cross of the human drama.
The Pagans, who adopted Peter and Paul’s new religion ABOUT Jesus, interpreted the cross as a human sacrifice. Jesus taught a gospel 3 + years before the cross in which God was already forgiving; salvation was by living faith, spiritual rebirth.
But sadly the visible, social church would become a substitute for the invisible fellowship of believers in the gospel of the kingdom of heaven as taught by Jesus. The gospel of Jesus has yet to be proclaimed to all the world.5) “The Urantia Papers. The papers, of which this is one, constitute the most recent presentation of truth to the mortals of Urantia. These papers differ from all previous revelations, for they are not the work of a single universe personality but a composite presentation by many beings. But no revelation short of the attainment of the Universal Father can ever be complete. All other celestial ministrations are no more than partial, transient, and practically adapted to local conditions in time and space. While such admissions as this may possibly detract from the immediate force and authority of all revelations, the time has arrived on Urantia when it is advisable to make such frank statements, even at the risk of weakening the future influence and authority of this, the most recent of the revelations of truth to the mortal races of Urantia.” UB
Caino
Thank you for all that work Colter.
1. Who is the creator of all of them?
2. Who are the good guys,and who are the bad guys?
3 How will all this drama end up,do you know?
4. Is there anything written about love.
5. Who are we to follow the good guys or the bad guys,since they all seem to have their own agenda in the universe.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ July 10 2012,05:51) Thank you for all that work Colter. 1. Who is the creator of all of them?
2. Who are the good guys,and who are the bad guys?
3 How will all this drama end up,do you know?
4. Is there anything written about love.
5. Who are we to follow the good guys or the bad guys,since they all seem to have their own agenda in the universe.wakeup.
1) God is the creator of all things and beings, his Sons are endowed with free will.2) The “good guys” are those loyal to the rule and will of the universal Father via his subordinates.
3) Righteousness will always prevail in the end.
4) Yes, very much about Love, God is Love
5) The good guys, for there is no truth in the bad guys. Besides, they have been taken into custody and put on trial in the universe courts. They were offered mercy, many lesser beings like angels etc. repented and are in the process of rehabilitation. Lucifer, Satan and our Prince refused the forgiveness offered to them.
A day is like 1,000 years in heaven, the entire rebellion and apprehensive orders happened in a very short period of time. Jesus terminated the Lucifer rebellion on Mt. Herman just prior to his public career.
Colter
Quote (Wakeup @ July 11 2012,22:33) Colter. Are we to worship Jesus; and is he comingback again
wakeup?
Jesus is, to all intents and purposes “God” to us, but we will, as we progress towards paradise by passing through the many mansions in heaven, eventually pass through Christ Michael and on to our destiny as “finalitors” wherein we can safely be in the presence of God on Paradise. From there we will return to the material universe to serve in an undisclosed, eternal future.Yes, the Master will return……for a visit…..that may not be for thousands of more years, perhaps when the world is settled in “light and life”. But earth will not be the permanent home of our Lord however his spirit, combined with the Father will always be here, it is here even now.
Worship Jesus? To have seen Jesus was to have seen the father manifest.I adore him, I Love him, he and the Father are my master, to me they are spiritually indistinguishable, I generally think in conceptual terms of worshiping the Father.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 12 2012,00:49) Quote (Wakeup @ July 11 2012,22:33) Colter. Are we to worship Jesus; and is he comingback again
wakeup?
Jesus is, to all intents and purposes “God” to us, but we will, as we progress towards paradise by passing through the many mansions in heaven, eventually pass through Christ Michael and on to our destiny as “finalitors” wherein we can safely be in the presence of God on Paradise. From there we will return to the material universe to serve in an undisclosed, eternal future.Yes, the Master will return……for a visit…..that may not be for thousands of more years, perhaps when the world is settled in “light and life”. But earth will not be the permanent home of our Lord however his spirit, combined with the Father will always be here, it is here even now.
Worship Jesus? To have seen Jesus was to have seen the father manifest.I adore him, I Love him, he and the Father are my master, to me they are spiritually indistinguishable, I generally think in conceptual terms of worshiping the Father.
Colter
Colter.You believe that Jesus is also Michael,where in scripture does it state this?
Who is the word of God to you?
Lucifer and satan are they ruling this earth today?
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ July 12 2012,10:28) Quote (Colter @ July 12 2012,00:49) Quote (Wakeup @ July 11 2012,22:33) Colter. Are we to worship Jesus; and is he comingback again
wakeup?
Jesus is, to all intents and purposes “God” to us, but we will, as we progress towards paradise by passing through the many mansions in heaven, eventually pass through Christ Michael and on to our destiny as “finalitors” wherein we can safely be in the presence of God on Paradise. From there we will return to the material universe to serve in an undisclosed, eternal future.Yes, the Master will return……for a visit…..that may not be for thousands of more years, perhaps when the world is settled in “light and life”. But earth will not be the permanent home of our Lord however his spirit, combined with the Father will always be here, it is here even now.
Worship Jesus? To have seen Jesus was to have seen the father manifest.I adore him, I Love him, he and the Father are my master, to me they are spiritually indistinguishable, I generally think in conceptual terms of worshiping the Father.
Colter
Colter.You believe that Jesus is also Michael,where in scripture does it state this?
Who is the word of God to you?
Lucifer and satan are they ruling this earth today?
wakeup.
The fragments of the great revelation to John on Patmos, 50 years after Jesus left, contain the reference to Jesus as Michael when he was on the earth in the great battle when Jesus finally terminated the Lucifer rebellion.This portion of the Book of Revelation is retrospective, it was past tense.
Revelation 12
“Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.”
The book of revelation was distorted by apocalyptic writers, it did not survive intact.
* Lucifer and Satan don't exist any more.
Colter
Quote (Wakeup @ July 12 2012,10:28) Quote (Colter @ July 12 2012,00:49) Quote (Wakeup @ July 11 2012,22:33) Colter. Are we to worship Jesus; and is he comingback again
wakeup?
Jesus is, to all intents and purposes “God” to us, but we will, as we progress towards paradise by passing through the many mansions in heaven, eventually pass through Christ Michael and on to our destiny as “finalitors” wherein we can safely be in the presence of God on Paradise. From there we will return to the material universe to serve in an undisclosed, eternal future.Yes, the Master will return……for a visit…..that may not be for thousands of more years, perhaps when the world is settled in “light and life”. But earth will not be the permanent home of our Lord however his spirit, combined with the Father will always be here, it is here even now.
Worship Jesus? To have seen Jesus was to have seen the father manifest.I adore him, I Love him, he and the Father are my master, to me they are spiritually indistinguishable, I generally think in conceptual terms of worshiping the Father.
Colter
Colter.You believe that Jesus is also Michael,where in scripture does it state this?
Who is the word of God to you?
Lucifer and satan are they ruling this earth today?
wakeup.
The word of God occurs when the will of God is expressed in “truth”.Johns beautiful, poetic opening to his book about Jesus is Johns way of addressing Jesus' pre-existence in eternity as The Son of God, the co-creator.
John is also making a philosophical concession when he says “in the beginning” because with God there was no beginning, he is eternal.
In the Urantia Book Jesus is a “Son of” the Trinity, not the second person of the Paradise Trinity.
Colter
Quote (Colter @ July 12 2012,13:38) Quote (Wakeup @ July 12 2012,10:28) Quote (Colter @ July 12 2012,00:49) Quote (Wakeup @ July 11 2012,22:33) Colter. Are we to worship Jesus; and is he comingback again
wakeup?
Jesus is, to all intents and purposes “God” to us, but we will, as we progress towards paradise by passing through the many mansions in heaven, eventually pass through Christ Michael and on to our destiny as “finalitors” wherein we can safely be in the presence of God on Paradise. From there we will return to the material universe to serve in an undisclosed, eternal future.Yes, the Master will return……for a visit…..that may not be for thousands of more years, perhaps when the world is settled in “light and life”. But earth will not be the permanent home of our Lord however his spirit, combined with the Father will always be here, it is here even now.
Worship Jesus? To have seen Jesus was to have seen the father manifest.I adore him, I Love him, he and the Father are my master, to me they are spiritually indistinguishable, I generally think in conceptual terms of worshiping the Father.
Colter
Colter.You believe that Jesus is also Michael,where in scripture does it state this?
Who is the word of God to you?
Lucifer and satan are they ruling this earth today?
wakeup.
The word of God occurs when the will of God is expressed in “truth”.Johns beautiful, poetic opening to his book about Jesus is Johns way of addressing Jesus' pre-existence in eternity as The Son of God, the co-creator.
John is also making a philosophical concession when he says “in the beginning” because with God there was no beginning, he is eternal.
In the Urantia Book Jesus is a “Son of” the Trinity, not the second person of the Paradise Trinity.
Colter
Hi ColterHow did you come across this book?
I am looking into it for the first time.Do you find it suspect that this book emerged between 1924-1955 from Chicago Illinios?
The holy bible became available to us in the 1600's, so have the last 300 years worth of generations prior to that book been deceived this whole time, or kept in the dark? Not to mention those before them even…even those who lived during the days of Christ?You do know that we have to compare everything to the holy scriptures? Not the other way round. For this Christ warns us, and we have to take heed
Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Matthew 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
Christ was the one that gave light. Any other prophets he sent out would of only confirmed Christ's words, not added to what he already told us. The only prophets to come mentioned are the two in revelations, and they will be in Israel preaching. No other prophets mentioned that we have to listen to and relearn everything.
Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
So the only way to test these writings is to compare with the holy scriptures right? Then we can see if it agrees or contradicts. Are you up for it?
journey42,July wrote:[/quote]
Urantia Book
PAPER 1:0.1 – THE UNIVERSAL FATHER
By the Sons of God were the universes made.Holy Bible
JOHN 1: All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.No mention of the sons of God being involved in the creation of the universe. All things, includes the universe. The sons of God (angels) are a creation, not creators, otherwise they would be gods.
Contradiction No. 1 – warning signThe so called Jewish religious authorities used the man made scriptures to reject Jesus, they still do. They were moral cowards and hid behind the man made law to withstand the spiritual teachings of Jesus, to reject the revelation of the Father to mankind in the person of Jesus of Nazareth.
The religions of authority stunt the growth of their followers by making their respective scriptures into Gods writing, therefore they cannot learn anything new.
Besides, all the various groups who claim the Bible to have been written by God disagree on what the Bible book collection says. In fact there were OTHER books considered inspired up until 300 AD but the Roaman church uninspired them.
Colter
Urantia Book
– SPIRITUAL VALUE OF THE PERSONALITY CONCEPT
1:7.9 Presented by a Divine Counselor, a member of a group of celestial personalities assigned by the Ancients of Days on Uversa, the headquarters of the seventh superuniverse, to supervise those portions of this forthcoming revelation which have to do with affairs beyond the borders of the local universe of Nebadon. I am commissioned to sponsor those papers portraying the nature and attributes of God because I represent the highest source of information available for such a purpose on any inhabited world. I have served as a Divine Counselor in all seven of the superuniverses and have long resided at the Paradise center of all things. Many times have I enjoyed the supreme pleasure of a sojourn in the immediate personal presence of the Universal Father. I portray the reality and truth of the Father's nature and attributes with unchallengeable authority; I know whereof I speak.This authority is challengeable. Who is speaking?
Christ always let us know when he was speaking, for he has the authority.
God never speaks about life on other universes. He has never mentioned it once. Earth alone is too complicated to understand, but now we have to understand these other galaxies?This is all leading up to aliens, I can see it. Part of the great delusion.
Urantia Book
2:1.7 And all this necessitates such arrangements for contact and communication with his manifold creatures as have been ordained, first, in the personalities of the Paradise Sons of God, who, although perfect in divinity, also often partake of the nature of the very flesh and blood of the planetary races, becoming one of you and one with you; thus, as it were, God becomes man, as occurred in the bestowal of Michael, who was called interchangeably the Son of God and the Son of Man.Where does it say Michael was called the son of God and the son of man?
Michael is an archangel. He serves the Lord. Michael was the angel in charge of kicking Satan out of heaven.
Michael is given high authority and position as an angel.Daniel 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.
If Michael were Jesus, he would be the chief prince, not one of them.
Daniel 10:21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.
If Michael is one of the chief princes
and Persia has a prince
then this shows that every nation has a prince (angel) over them and the Prince of Persia is an evil angelDaniel 10:20 Then said he, knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of persia: and when I am gone forth, lo the prince of Grecia shall come.
These are Satan's princes (angels)
Israel's prince is Michael, an angel serving the Lord.
This shows that God is in control, and restrains the kingdoms from conquering, until the timing is according to God's timing, not theirs.Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Jesus comes with all his angels. Michael is the chief of them, like a captain. He takes his orders from Christ. The chief angel of Israel. The great war will be in Israel.
Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Here it is revealed. Michael is an Archangel. Proof.
Not called the Son of God, or the Son of man, for the NT only refers to Jesus as the Son of God, and the son of man.
Michael didn't even dare accuse Satan, but said the Lord rebuke thee. Jesus would of rebuked him straight out of his own authority, if this were he, but he wasn't born yet, as he was still the Word of God, not yet made flesh.Contradictions. And I havn't even barely started.
also look at the speech. This is not the same lingo as God speaking. God's speech is unique. No other talks like him, nor can even imitate him. Dead give away.
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