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Quote (Nick Hassan @ May 29 2010,15:38) Hi Jodi,
Is not the universalism manipulation clever?
We are so easily convinced by smooth talkers.But of course it is another myth.
Ironic Nick!!……you admitting that man is so easily convinced!Man is so easily convinced you say, however it is apparent that to you this only applies with man's own influences, but when it comes to God's influences, well God's influences apparently in your eyes Nick are subpar.
WHEN is God's CALLING for ALL People Nick?…if you say it is NOW, does not your god then become a complete failure?….especially when He Himself has said that He is NOT WILLING that any should perish but ALL come to repentance?
Nick, YHWH hasn't even BEGUN His influences, He hasn't begun making Himself known to the world. When He does you can be certain that EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW!!
Jodi Lee………..Amen Sis, you have said it right. Nicks GOD is Weak that Man's WILL can overpower Him and control HIM, He is just not able to truly convience us of His truth. He want so much for us to empower ourselves to come to the Knowledge of the truth and by our own (FEARS) some how figure out how we can save ourselves. After all who would trust his weak GOD to save us, teach us, guide our thoughts and give us right hearts, so we need to do it ourselves. Even though GOD said he looked for (ONE) righteous man and could find (NONE) and therefor took it upon His (OWN) arm to Bring salvation. True FAITH in that GOD has nothing to do with it, we need to have faith in ourselves, because his GOD is to weak to save us and guide our hearts and minds, we need to rely on ourselves. Pure rubbish to all who truly Know their GOD is the CREATOR of ALL Thing (including the righteous) IMO.
peace and love to you and yours Jodi……………….gene
Jodi Lee.
Good post Jodi. In Romans 11:24-36…24 For if you were hewn out of an olive wild by nature, and, beside nature, are grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much rather shall these, who are in accord with nature, be grafted into their own olive tree!
25 For I am not willing for you to be ignorant of this secret, brethren, lest you may be passing for prudent among yourselves, that callousness, in part, on Israel has come, until the complement of the nations may be entering.
26 And thus all Israel shall be saved, according as it is written, Arriving out of Zion shall be the Rescuer. He will be turning away irreverence from Jacob.
27 And this is my covenant with them Whenever I should be eliminating their sins.
28 As to the evangel, indeed, they are enemies because of you, yet, as to choice, they are beloved because of the fathers.
29 For unregretted are the graces and the calling of God.
30 For even as you once were stubborn toward God, yet now were shown mercy at their stubbornness,
31 thus these also are now stubborn to this mercy of yours, that now they also may be shown mercy.
32 For God locks up all together in stubbornness, that He should be merciful to all.
33 O, the depth of the riches and the wisdom and the knowledge of God! How inscrutable are His judgments, and untraceable His ways!
34 For, who knew the mind of the Lord? or, who became His adviser?
35 or, who gives to Him first, and it will be repaid Him?
36 seeing that out of Him and through Him and for Him is all: to Him be the glory for the eons! Amen!I know many won't read this in detail, it says ” And thus all Israel shall be saved”. They won't believe that even Judas will in fact be saved.
It goes on to say “For God locks up all together in stubbornness, that He should be merciful to all”.
The final verse says “seeing that out of Him and through Him and for Him is all: to Him be the glory for the eons! Amen!”
This one verse, who many that trust in their own 'free will', will have to admit, they do not believe.
All the glory should go to God, not in our ability to “save ourselves” by choosing to do so.
God Bless, Jerry.
Jerry…………Excellent post, if only all could understand that, it is GOD alone despite ourselves that saves US. “BUY GRACE ARE WE SAVED , NOT OF OURSELVES, NOT OF WORKS WE HAVE DONE, LEAST ANY SHOULD BOAST”. “For He (God) work (IN) us BOTH to (WILL) and do of (HIS) good pleasure”. You have presented it rightly and truthfully IMO.
peace and love to you and yours………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 29 2010,08:43) (captivated Wills)
Wait a minute. a “will” can be “captivated” but it can't be free?Nah, I think this lie was invented by satan as a liscense to sin.
Do what ever you feel like because it really doesn't matter because your will is a slave to do it anyway!
WJ
WJ………Just as you are caused to do what you do when you ignore and skirt around the truth in scriptures. What does this mean to you> “For he came to set the (captives) Free, pleas explain what that means to you, O Wise one.
Is it not what is in their minds and does that not (CAUSE) them to error. Again note he did not say He came to set the “FREE” Wills, FREE did he? But I am sure you can find some other explanation for this to support you so-called “FREE WILL” stance. A will would not be a WILL if it were “FREE” , common sense should tell you that wJ> THE WORD “FREE” WILL IS AN OXYMORON. No “FREE” WILL EXISTS, or it would not be a WILL, simple if you think about it. IMO
peace and love………………gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 29 2010,15:42) WJ………Just as you are caused to do what you do when you ignore and skirt around the truth in scriptures. What does this mean to you> “For he came to set the (captives) Free, pleas explain what that means to you, O Wise one. Is it not what is in their minds and does that not (CAUSE) them to error. Again note he did not say He came to set the “FREE” Wills, FREE did he? But I am sure you can find some other explanation for this to support you so-called “FREE WILL” stance. A will would not be a WILL if it were “FREE” , common sense should tell you that wJ> THE WORD “FREE” WILL IS AN OXYMORON. No “FREE” WILL EXISTS, or it would not be a WILL, simple if you think about it. IMO
peace and love………………gene
GeneI have shown you scriptures that deny your theory!
WJ
WJ…….. Another cop out . Show us again so we can see< i don't recall you proving anything from scripture that say we all HAVE "FREE WILL" (IN) US. But you have chosen a good way to dodge my question about what did Jesus mean when He said He came to set the captives FREE , Free from What WJ ? Was it their own so-called "FREE WILLS". Or their (CAPTIVATED WILLS)?
Peace and love………………..gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 30 2010,08:05) WJ…….. Another cop out . Show us again so we can see< i don't recall you proving anything from scripture that say we all HAVE "FREE WILL" (IN) US. But you have chosen a good way to dodge my question about what did Jesus mean when He said He came to set the captives FREE , Free from What WJ ? Was it their own so-called "FREE WILLS". Or their (CAPTIVATED WILLS)? Peace and love………………..gene
geneyou do not know what is a WILL and you do not understand FREE, the old American people the pioneers use to know what that words means, and also WILL,
but you do not.even God knows what how he wants us to use our will ,by given him freely the worship he want in the truth and spirit.
Pierre
Ro.9:16… Consequently, then, it is not of him who is willing, nor of him who is racing, but of God, the Merciful.
Your opinion what this means.
I will quote the verses before and after, so you won't say I only quote verses that say what I want it to mean. Here they are: Ro.9:14-24. You can read yourself if you need more.
14 What, then, shall we be declaring? Not that there is injustice with God? May it not be coming to that!
15 For to Moses He is saying, “I shall be merciful to whomever I may be merciful, and I shall be pitying whomever I may be pitying.”
16 Consequently, then, it is not of him who is willing, nor of him who is racing, but of God, the Merciful.
17 For the scripture is saying to Pharaoh that “For this selfsame thing I rouse you up, so that I should be displaying in you My power, and so that My name should be published in the entire earth.”
18 Consequently, then, to whom He will, He is merciful, yet whom He will, He is hardening.
19 You will be protesting to me, then, “Why, then, is He still blaming? for who has withstood His intention?”
20 O man! who are you, to be sure, who are answering again to God? That which is molded will not protest to the molder, “Why do you make me thus?”
21 Or has not the potter the right over the clay, out of the same kneading to make one vessel, indeed, for honor, yet one for dishonor?
22 Now if God, wanting to display His indignation and to make His powerful doings known, carries, with much patience, the vessels of indignation, adapted for destruction,
23 it is that He should also be making known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He makes ready before for glory —
24 us, whom He calls also, not only out of the Jews, but out of the nations also.Just in case you quote verse 23, the word “destruction” does not mean “eternal”.
Terraricca………What part of the above post you don't understand , You make all kinds of accusations but little or no scripture support. Show (ONE) scripture that says WE HAVE (IN) US a “FREE WILL. Not that GOD allows us LIBERTY, to A point, to express our (CAPTIVATED WILLS) like a so-called Free Will offering , which is really a (INFLUENCED) OFFERING from the SELF.
there is no such thing in existence as a WILL that is “FREE” of INFLUENCE. Free WILL is an OXYMORON. A will can (NOT) be a WILL and Be FREE at the same time. WILL are driven by our intellects and are never free. That is why scripture does not say we have a :FREE WILL (IN) US.In fact that is why men are separated from GOD and they abide (ALONE) and unless there WILLS die they will always abide alone, BUt if there Wills are put to death and GOD”S WILL takes it's Place them they are not alone any longer.
Joh 12:24…..> Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abides alone: but it it die, it brings forth much fruit. 25….> He that loves his life shall lose it; and he that hates his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. 26…> If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be; if any mand serve me, him will the Father honor.
peace and love to you and yours……………..gene
CO and gene
14 What, then, shall we be declaring? Not that there is injustice with God? May it not be coming to that!
15 For to Moses He is saying, “I shall be merciful to whomever I may be merciful, and I shall be pitying whomever I may be pitying.”
16 Consequently, then, it is not of him who is willing, nor of him who is racing, but of God, the Merciful.what Paul really says is that it is God who make the decision and to who and how he will bring salvation,
but he does not say that he will make the people to worship him either they like it or not,that is not what is expressed in those scriptures.
Pr 11:27 He who seeks good finds goodwill,
but evil comes to him who searches for it.Pr 15:14 The discerning heart seeks knowledge
Isa 56:11 They are dogs with mighty appetites;
they never have enough.
They are shepherds who lack understanding;
they all turn to their own way,
each seeks his own gain.
La 3:25 The LORD is good to those whose hope is in him,
to the one who seeks him;is it not men who seeks the Lord?
Mt 7:8 For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.
Lk 11:10 For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.
Jn 4:23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.is it God who force people or is it people looking for God,for the things of God ,that God as offered??
Ro 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Ro 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Ro 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;look at verse 22;it says “ALL THEM THAT BELEIVE” those are not pushed into believing they have accepted the grace of God that was offered to them,out of their free willingness.
if you seek God you will find him,no one force any one to lesson to the word of God ,but the grace is an offer from God to all men ,so take it.
Pierre
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 30 2010,15:11) Terraricca………What part of the above post you don't understand , You make all kinds of accusations but little or no scripture support. Show (ONE) scripture that says WE HAVE (IN) US a “FREE WILL. Not that GOD allows us LIBERTY, to A point, to express our (CAPTIVATED WILLS) like a so-called Free Will offering , which is really a (INFLUENCED) OFFERING from the SELF.
there is no such thing in existence as a WILL that is “FREE” of INFLUENCE. Free WILL is an OXYMORON. A will can (NOT) be a WILL and Be FREE at the same time. WILL are driven by our intellects and are never free. That is why scripture does not say we have a :FREE WILL (IN) US.In fact that is why men are separated from GOD and they abide (ALONE) and unless there WILLS die they will always abide alone, BUt if there Wills are put to death and GOD”S WILL takes it's Place them they are not alone any longer.
Joh 12:24…..> Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abides alone: but it it die, it brings forth much fruit. 25….> He that loves his life shall lose it; and he that hates his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. 26…> If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be; if any mand serve me, him will the Father honor.
peace and love to you and yours……………..gene
geneyou say;;Joh 12:24…..> Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abides alone: but it it die, it brings forth much fruit. 25….> He that loves his life shall lose it; and he that hates his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. 26…> If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be; if any mand serve me, him will the Father honor.
Jesus talk about the seed of knowledge of the gospel and that your old person as to die and the new according to the will of God as to take over ,but that s what every men as to do on is own ,with the help of God scriptures and so become blessed by God.
we all have one freewill action,and that is to accept to serve ,love and worship our God ,if not you chose the other way
Pierre
Terraricca………It seem you are between two straights , is it your So Called “FREE” WILL or is it GOD'S WILL , If GOD'S WILL is the ONLY WILL the will be DONE then (Your) WILL will have to die. GET IT? YOUR “OLD PERSON” is your OLD WILL and it must DIE. Even Following Christ means putting you own will to death also as He did his.
peace and love…………gene
Terraricca………God is Not (FORCING) People HE is DRAWING them. By the effectual WORKING of HIS SPIRIT (IN) there hearts and minds. Again for the hundredth time < Jesus (SAID) NO MAN (CAN) COME UNTO ME EXCEPT THE FATHER (DRAW) HIM. No what part of that don't you understand . Can't you see how this so-called "FREE" Will thinking has screwed up your understanding and that it robs GOD of HIS GLORY in the Salvation process?
peace and love………………gene
Hi Ed J,
Man makes CHOICES from his brain. The structure and function of an individual brain man does not choose, therefore man is LIMITED by his very nature, NOT FREE. Man does not get to choose his own hormone levels and how they affect his behavior, like testosterone. High levels of testosterone are the cause of more aggressive behavior. Do we CHOOSE our “fight or flight” response? No, we do not, and such certainly plays a role in a behavior or action an individual takes. Does a child get to choose his parents, his teachers, where he gets to live, his economic status, or education? Does a child get to choose how people treat him or her? Does a child choose abuse or neglect verses love and kindness?
Behavior is the result of nature and nurture, it is not FREE it is BOUND, TIED, ENSLAVED!! Unless a person has complete and utter control of his nature and nurture, which is IMPOSSIBLE, his WILL is most certainly NOT FREE, choices an individual makes does not come from some magical unlimited option bank.
Freedom from sin came through Jesus, we had no say in it, it came through the Grace of God and through His Spirit. Without God's Spirit we are bound to sin and death, not free will!!
The idea of Free Will is the idea that MAN himself leads himself to righteousness!! The idea of free will is pure arrogance and vanity IMO.
We choose God because he FIRST chose us. Christ walked in perfection because of what was GIVEN to Him by the Almighty God.
The problem is people have no clue as to the plan of salvation of YHWH, they have no clue as to what GRACE from God actually means. Instead they have taken the Gospel and have turned it into an Old Testament Law!!
Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 02 2010,03:13) Hi Ed J, Man makes CHOICES from his brain. The structure and function of an individual brain man does not choose, therefore man is LIMITED by his very nature, NOT FREE. Man does not get to choose his own hormone levels and how they affect his behavior, like testosterone. High levels of testosterone are the cause of more aggressive behavior. Do we CHOOSE our “fight or flight” response? No, we do not, and such certainly plays a role in a behavior or action an individual takes. Does a child get to choose his parents, his teachers, where he gets to live, his economic status, or education? Does a child get to choose how people treat him or her? Does a child choose abuse or neglect verses love and kindness?
Behavior is the result of nature and nurture, it is not FREE it is BOUND, TIED, ENSLAVED!! Unless a person has complete and utter control of his nature and nurture, which is IMPOSSIBLE, his WILL is most certainly NOT FREE, choices an individual makes does not come from some magical unlimited option bank.
Freedom from sin came through Jesus, we had no say in it, it came through the Grace of God and through His Spirit. Without God's Spirit we are bound to sin and death, not free will!!
The idea of Free Will is the idea that MAN himself leads himself to righteousness!! The idea of free will is pure arrogance and vanity IMO.
We choose God because he FIRST chose us. Christ walked in perfection because of what was GIVEN to Him by the Almighty God.
The problem is people have no clue as to the plan of salvation of YHWH, they have no clue as to what GRACE from God actually means. Instead they have taken the Gospel and have turned it into an Old Testament Law!!
Hi Jodi,You said on other thread…
'Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14 we are told DIRECTLY are speaking of MEN, adding to scripture saying that they mean otherwise
is teaching your OWN ideas and your OWN ideas DO NOT EQUAL TRUTH!!'
Did you really mean this? If you did, then could you please explain
why you don't believe any of these scriptures? (2Tm:3:16)1Cor.7:37 Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity,
but hath power over HIS OWN WILL, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well.1Cor.16:12 As touching our brother Apollos, I greatly desired him to come unto you with the brethren:
but “HIS WILL” was not at all to come at this time; but he will come when he shall have convenient time.Lev:22:29: And when ye will offer a sacrifice of thanksgiving unto the LORD, offer it AT YOUR OWN WILL.
Josh:24:15: And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom YE WILL serve;
whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood,
or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.Jn:5:40: And YE WILL NOT come to me, that ye might have life.
Gen:34:15: But in this will we consent unto you: If “YE WILL” be as we be, that every male of you be circumcised;
Ex:19:5: Now therefore, if “YE WILL” obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant,
then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:Lev:26:14: But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments;
Lev:26:23: And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me;
Lev:26:27: And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me;
Num:32:20: And Moses said unto them, If ye will do this thing, if ye will go armed before the LORD to war,
Num:32:23: But if ye will not do so, behold, ye have sinned against the LORD: and be sure your sin will find you out.
Deut:11:28: And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God,
but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.1Sam:12:14: If ye will fear the LORD, and serve him, and obey his voice, and not rebel against
the commandment of the LORD, then shall both ye and also the king that reigneth over you continue following the LORD your God:1Sam:12:15: But if ye will not obey the voice of the LORD, but rebel against the commandment of the LORD,
then shall the hand of the LORD be against you, as it was
against your fathers.Deut:31:29: For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt yourselves,
and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days;
because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands.Ed J
Is your 'will' NOT free to make your own choices?Quote (Ed J @ June 02 2010,04:17) Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 02 2010,03:13) Hi Ed J, Man makes CHOICES from his brain. The structure and function of an individual brain man does not choose, therefore man is LIMITED by his very nature, NOT FREE. Man does not get to choose his own hormone levels and how they affect his behavior, like testosterone. High levels of testosterone are the cause of more aggressive behavior. Do we CHOOSE our “fight or flight” response? No, we do not, and such certainly plays a role in a behavior or action an individual takes. Does a child get to choose his parents, his teachers, where he gets to live, his economic status, or education? Does a child get to choose how people treat him or her? Does a child choose abuse or neglect verses love and kindness?
Behavior is the result of nature and nurture, it is not FREE it is BOUND, TIED, ENSLAVED!! Unless a person has complete and utter control of his nature and nurture, which is IMPOSSIBLE, his WILL is most certainly NOT FREE, choices an individual makes does not come from some magical unlimited option bank.
Freedom from sin came through Jesus, we had no say in it, it came through the Grace of God and through His Spirit. Without God's Spirit we are bound to sin and death, not free will!!
The idea of Free Will is the idea that MAN himself leads himself to righteousness!! The idea of free will is pure arrogance and vanity IMO.
We choose God because he FIRST chose us. Christ walked in perfection because of what was GIVEN to Him by the Almighty God.
The problem is people have no clue as to the plan of salvation of YHWH, they have no clue as to what GRACE from God actually means. Instead they have taken the Gospel and have turned it into an Old Testament Law!!
Hi Jodi,You said on other thread…
'Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14 we are told DIRECTLY are speaking of MEN, adding to scripture saying that they mean otherwise
is teaching your OWN ideas and your OWN ideas DO NOT EQUAL TRUTH!!'
Did you really mean this? If you did, then could you please explain
why you don't believe any of these scriptures? (2Tm:3:16)1Cor.7:37 Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity,
but hath power over HIS OWN WILL, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well.1Cor.16:12 As touching our brother Apollos, I greatly desired him to come unto you with the brethren:
but “HIS WILL” was not at all to come at this time; but he will come when he shall have convenient time.Lev:22:29: And when ye will offer a sacrifice of thanksgiving unto the LORD, offer it AT YOUR OWN WILL.
Josh:24:15: And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom YE WILL serve;
whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood,
or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.Jn:5:40: And YE WILL NOT come to me, that ye might have life.
Gen:34:15: But in this will we consent unto you: If “YE WILL” be as we be, that every male of you be circumcised;
Ex:19:5: Now therefore, if “YE WILL” obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant,
then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:Lev:26:14: But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments;
Lev:26:23: And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me;
Lev:26:27: And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me;
Num:32:20: And Moses said unto them, If ye will do this thing, if ye will go armed before the LORD to war,
Num:32:23: But if ye will not do so, behold, ye have sinned against the LORD: and be sure your sin will find you out.
Deut:11:28: And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God,
but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.1Sam:12:14: If ye will fear the LORD, and serve him, and obey his voice, and not rebel against
the commandment of the LORD, then shall both ye and also the king that reigneth over you continue following the LORD your God:1Sam:12:15: But if ye will not obey the voice of the LORD, but rebel against the commandment of the LORD,
then shall the hand of the LORD be against you, as it was
against your fathers.Deut:31:29: For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt yourselves,
and turn aside from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days;
because ye will do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger through the work of your hands.Ed J
Is your 'will' NOT free to make your own choices?
Those scriptures do not go against what I have said in the least bit. I have never said that man does not make choices or that he does not have a will.Do you not understand WHERE a person extracts a choice?
How is the PLACE where a choice is extracted from FREE, that it would give a person a will that is free?
ED J, is man capable of making himself perfect, or does he need God?
When God chooses, He gives the individual what is needed to draw that individual to Him. We are talking about the Designer being able to form His own creation into His desires. Let's not forget who we are, we are made of the dust, we are made of the same elements as dirt! The same way God can make a clump of dirt into whatever shape He wants, He can do the same with us!! I am not talking about force here, I am talking about influence. Obviously there is more that goes into shaping a human then a lump of clay, since you are dealing with a creature that has an imagination. Man cannot deny the influence of YHWH like he cannot deny the influence of hunger!! The problem is that most Christians have an extremely insulting view of God's influences…. a false preacher and a mistranslated bible is God's calling and if YOU don't FIND Christ before you die you're goin to hell!! Truly despicable!! YHVH has not truly begun to influence man!! YHVH WILL lead every man into repentance, just as every animal is led by his thirst to the watering hole!!
Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 02 2010,06:15) ED J, is man capable of making himself perfect, or does he need God?
Hi Jodi,What does this question have to do with “Free Will”?
Ed J
Quote (Jodi Lee @ June 02 2010,06:15) When God chooses, He gives the individual what is needed to draw that individual to Him. We are talking about the Designer being able to form His own creation into His desires. Let's not forget who we are, we are made of the dust, we are made of the same elements as dirt! The same way God can make a clump of dirt into whatever shape He wants, He can do the same with us!! I am not talking about force here, I am talking about influence. Obviously there is more that goes into shaping a human then a lump of clay, since you are dealing with a creature that has an imagination. Man cannot deny the influence of YHWH like he cannot deny the influence of hunger!! The problem is that most Christians have an extremely insulting view of God's influences…. a false preacher and a mistranslated bible is God's calling and if YOU don't FIND Christ before you die you're goin to hell!! Truly despicable!! YHVH has not truly begun to influence man!! YHVH WILL lead every man into repentance, just as every animal is led by his thirst to the watering hole!!
Hi Jodi,So does all this stuff mean: now that I influenced you to respond to my Posts you no longer have a “Free Will”?
Now that your will is influenced by mine, 'your' will is no longer 'free' of my influence.
I still have my “Free Will” (given by YHVH) no matter what you say!Do any of these verses go against what you have said in the least bit?
Lev.22:18 Speak unto Aaron, and to his sons, and unto all the children of Israel, and say unto them,
Whatsoever he be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers in Israel, that will offer his oblation
for all his vows, and for all his freewill offerings, which they will offer unto the LORD for a burnt offering;Lev.22:21 And whosoever offereth a sacrifice of peace offerings unto the LORD to accomplish his vow,
or a freewill offering in beeves or sheep, it shall be perfect to be accepted; there shall be no blemish therein.Lev.22:23 Either a bullock or a lamb that hath any thing superfluous or lacking in his parts,
that mayest thou offer for a freewill offering; but for a vow it shall not be accepted.Lev.23:38 Beside the sabbaths of the LORD, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows,
and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the LORD.Numbers 15:3 And will make an offering by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, or a sacrifice in performing a vow,
or in a freewill offering, or in your solemn feasts, to make a sweet savor unto the LORD, of the herd, or of the flock:Numbers 29:39 These things ye shall do unto the LORD in your set feasts, beside your vows,
and your freewill offerings, for your burnt offerings, and for your meat offerings,
and for your drink offerings, and for your peace offerings.Deut.12:6 And thither ye shall bring your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, and your tithes, and heave offerings
of your hand, and your vows, and your freewill offerings, and the firstlings of your herds and of your flocks:Deut.12:17 Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine,
or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest,
nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand:Deut.16:10 And thou shalt keep the feast of weeks unto the LORD thy God with a tribute of
a freewill offering of thine hand, which thou shalt give unto the LORD thy God,
according as the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:Deut.23:23 That which is gone out of thy lips thou shalt keep and perform; even a freewill offering,
according as thou hast vowed unto the LORD thy God, which thou hast promised with thy mouth.2Chron.31:14 And Kore the son of Imnah the Levite, the porter toward the east,
was over the freewill offerings of God, to distribute the oblations of the LORD, and the most holy things.Ezra 1:4 And whosoever remaineth in any place where he sojourneth, let the men of his place help him with silver,
and with gold, and with goods, and with beasts, beside the freewill offering for the house of God that is in Jerusalem.Ezra 3:5 And afterward offered the continual burnt offering, both of the new moons, and of all the
set feasts of the LORD that were consecrated, and of every one that willingly offered a freewill offering unto the LORD.Ezra 7:13 I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites,
in my realm, which are minded of their own freewill to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee.Ezra 7:16 And all the silver and gold that thou canst find in all the province of Babylon, with the freewill offering
of the people, and of the priests, offering willingly for the house of their God which is in Jerusalem:Ezra 8:28 And I said unto them, Ye are holy unto the LORD; the vessels are holy also;
and the silver and the gold are a freewill offering unto the LORD God of your fathers.Psalm 119:108 Accept, I beseech thee, the freewill offerings of my mouth, O LORD, and teach me thy judgments.
Ed J
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