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Nick………You will (ALWAYS) DO WHAT IS DRIVING YOUR HEART RATHER OF GOD OR MAN. You are what you think, SO A MAN THINKS SO HE IS> AND GOD HAS ALREADY DONE IT ALL FOR ME i SIMPLY NEED TO BELIEVE HE HAS AND THROUGH THE BLOOD OF JESUS , I understand the effectual working of God, Because what he did (IN) Jesus he can Also do in My. I don't preach God and deny His (POWER) as your religion seem to do. You profess GOD But deny (HIS) POWER, trying to steal it, by applying it to yourself through Your so-called FREE WILL or better said SELF WILL PERFORMANCE> BUT My Bible says I am saved by (GRACE) AND THAT (NOT) OF MYSELF. When are you going to learn to put your own will to death as Jesus did His. You can not saver yourself, salvation is of GOD and GOD alone, you get (NO) GLORY.
Why do you think is say that it is the (FRUIT) of the SPIRIT , GOD looks to who is doing the works< He or the man himself through his (OWN) so-called FREE WILL. There is ONLY ONE Who is righteous and that is GOD and those He is living in influencing them and guiding their thoughts, salvation is a work of GOD, not of Man. When are you going to learn that Nick. "THAT GOD MAY BE (ALL) AND IN YOU (ALL). Salvation is not a crap shoot Nick, it is the result of the determinate WILL and POWER of GOD. Have you yet recieved of that POWER from on HIGH. The calling and gifts of GOD are not irrevocable . "FOR WHO HE FOREKNEW (He also) (PREDESTINED TO BE CONFORMED UNTO THE IMAGE OF HIS SON. Professing GOD and then Denying His Power is not of GOD NICK.
And by the way there are no armchair rides Here rather with or without God, all are suffering in this life, in fact the whole creation has been, and is waiting to be delivered from the bondage of corruption, and us also. Your armchair analogy is pure rubbish IMO.
peace and love …………………..gene
Hi GB,
God does not drive anybody in Jesus.
He wants servants who love to serve Him.
You cannot do that from the comfort of an armchair.Hi GB,
So you say.
But you say many things without proper foundation.
God is on His throne and in front of Him are His seven angel/spirits[heb1]The Spirit of God is one.[1Cor12]
No intellect in scripture yet it is your key word??
Nick…………You have yet to prove by scripture that the seven Spirits of GOD are seven angles , Produce your Proof or that is just your assumptions? I have not found One scripture that say GOD'S ANGLES (ARE) SPIRIT BEINGS. Show us your scriptural proofs if any. Being Born of or from Spirit does NOT make a person a SPIRIT (BEING) or a SOUL. AS a Soul = a Body + Spirit in it. Only GOD himself exists as a SPIRIT BEING. No others do. IMO
Hi GB,
Where did you see in scripture that a soul is a body with a spirit?
You should not make everything up should you?Nick…………try reading Geneis 2:7…> , GOD took a body of a man and added Spirit into it and It became a living SOUL (neh'-fesh.)
Nick have your really read scriptures about this subject?
GB,
No you misread it again.
God breathed into DUST [body]and man became a living[spirit] soul [soul]Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 05 2010,11:58) Nick…………You have yet to prove by scripture that the seven Spirits of GOD are seven angles , Produce your Proof or that is just your assumptions? I have not found One scripture that say GOD'S ANGLES (ARE) SPIRIT BEINGS. Show us your scriptural proofs if any. Being Born of or from Spirit does NOT make a person a SPIRIT (BEING) or a SOUL. AS a Soul = a Body + Spirit in it. Only GOD himself exists as a SPIRIT BEING. No others do. IMO
geneRev 1:20 Here is what the mystery of the seven stars you saw in my right hand means. They are the angels of the seven churches. And the seven golden lampstands you saw stand for the seven churches.
Rev 3:1 “Here is what I command you to write to the church in Sardis.
Here are the words of the One who holds the seven spirits of God. He has the seven stars in his hand. He says, ‘I know what you are doing. People think you are alive, but you areRev 3:7 “Here is what I command you to write to the church in Philadelphia.
Here are the words of the One who is holy and true. He holds the key of David. No one can shut what he opens. And no one can open what he shuts. He saysRev 3:10 ‘You have kept my command to put up with anything that happens. So I will keep you from the time of suffering that is going to come to the whole world. It will test those who live on the earth.
Rev 3:11 ‘I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have. Then no one will take away your crown.
Rev 3:12 ‘I’ll see to it that those who overcome will be pillars in the temple of my God. They will never leave it again. I will write the name of my God on them. I will write the name of the city of my God on them. This is the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God. I will also write my new name on them.
Rev 3:13 ‘Those who have ears should listen to what the Holy Spirit says to the churchesGENE WERE DO YOU SEE THAT GOD HAS SEVEN SPIRITS AND THAT IT IS AS YOU SAY??
Nick……Quit playing games , GOD took the Dust and MADE a BODY and Breath into HIM the SPIRIT of LIFE and Man Became a Living SOUL. He was (NOT) a (LIVING SOUL) until that all happened. I checked 10 translations all agree with each other. Please tell me what part did i misread “AGAIN”. Nick are you really reading your bible on these debates?
peace and love………………..gene
Nick….How do we know that you are an armchair person yourself. Jesus (PLAINLY) said (NO) man (CAN) COME UNTO ME UNLESS THE FATHER DRAW HIM. Preaching GOD and then denying HIS (POWER) is false religions of Men. No one here ever said we have a armchair belief this is just your words not no one else's. Why not try to use scripture instead of your own un-scriptural opinions for a change. IMO
Hi GB,
Not the Holy Spirit of course but the BREATH OF GOD making man body soul and spirit .
The body rots, the spirit returns to God so they are not the object of salvation.
Salvation of the soul is the plan of God.[1Peter1.9]GB,
Drawing.Is our gentle God not wonderful the way he lovingly draws folk?
But of course nobody is forced to come to Him or forced to obey anything.
Servants are not much use if they are forced to obey but if they work for love?Nick………look up the word used there fro DRAW, the last time i Looked it Up it could be drag same word. Again you make salvation a matter of OUR DOING and deny the effectual workings of GOD, When did you decide you are your own savior?. Seeing you can save yourself by your own so-called “FREE” WILL mind. Again preaching GOD but denying the (POWER) thereof right?
NIck………..You have added another element there, My bible says He took from dust and made a body and added Spirit into it and then man Body+Spirit (BECAME) a LIVING SOUL. Jesus did not share you dogmas when He said “do not fear him who can destory the body and do nothing more but fear him who can (destory) Both body and Soul in the (GRAVE)” . Now it appears the the soul can die (IN) the grave Show scripture support of what you say, “Breath of GOD making body soul and spirit”, like there are (three) distinct thing there. You have it all wrong a BODY PLUS SPIRIT = A SOUL.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 05 2010,11:18) NIck………..You have added another element there, My bible says He took from dust and made a body and added Spirit into it and then man Body+Spirit (BECAME) a LIVING SOUL. Jesus did not share you dogmas when He said “do not fear him who can destory the body and do nothing more but fear him who can (destory) Both body and Soul in the (GRAVE)” . Now it appears the the soul can die (IN) the grave Show scripture support of what you say, “Breath of GOD making body soul and spirit”, like there are (three) distinct thing there. You have it all wrong a BODY PLUS SPIRIT = A SOUL.
Gene Balthrop,Be careful with your mathlike reasoning.
Spirit + Body creates a Living Soul but does not equal a living soul.
Scripture provides examples of the spirit and soul being seperate. 1 Corinthians 15:45 and 1 Thessalonians 5:23 in the King James version are clear examples.
A Soul can still exist without a body though it is considered dead. An example of such is the phantasm/ghost summoned by the Witch of Endor.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 05 2010,11:49) Hi GB,
Can you show me in Gen2.7 where God ADDED spirit?
You must read more carefully.
You might want to consider spirit is difined as breath in some cases.Nick………God who is SPIRIT LIFE, (BREATH) The is to force into the BODY of Man SPIRIT LIFE and then man Became a (LIVING SOUL).Is the way i see it. A Soul can not exist without a BODY. IMO
Nick if you would read some commentary on this, you will find the reference in Genesis is that GOD added Spirit Life to a BODY and Then the Man became a (living) being or a Soul. The combination of Spirit in a BODY, constitutes a LIVING SOUL . Rather an animal or man both are living souls and as one dies so dies the other, the only difference is that the (spirit) in the man goes back to him who gave if God so desires, if not it simple ceases to exist just like a animals Spirit does. GOD can destory us simply by not restoring our Spirits in a BODY again.
Notice what Jesus said when He was dying , He said , in thy (God's) hand i commend my (SPIRIT) His body died and he went to the tomb or grave, and He was truly dead, not more a SOUL He was in a Perished State no thoughts no life it was completely over for him. But GOD raised HIS Body and did not let it corrupt and put His Spirit back into it and then Jesus became a LIVING SOUL Again. the same process must happen to us in order for us to have Life after death again. IMO
Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 05 2010,16:43) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 05 2010,11:18) NIck………..You have added another element there, My bible says He took from dust and made a body and added Spirit into it and then man Body+Spirit (BECAME) a LIVING SOUL. Jesus did not share you dogmas when He said “do not fear him who can destory the body and do nothing more but fear him who can (destory) Both body and Soul in the (GRAVE)” . Now it appears the the soul can die (IN) the grave Show scripture support of what you say, “Breath of GOD making body soul and spirit”, like there are (three) distinct thing there. You have it all wrong a BODY PLUS SPIRIT = A SOUL.
Gene Balthrop,Be careful with your mathlike reasoning.
Spirit + Body creates a Living Soul but does not equal a living soul.
Scripture provides examples of the spirit and soul being seperate. 1 Corinthians 15:45 and 1 Thessalonians 5:23 in the King James version are clear examples.
A Soul can still exist without a body though it is considered dead. An example of such is the phantasm/ghost summoned by the Witch of Endor.
Kerwin………The reason the three distinct thing are mentioned in 1Ths 5:23 is because they being mention separately and then (WHOLLY) a SOUL which consists of a BODY and SPIRIT.! Ths 5:23 …> And the very God of peace (sanctify) you (WHOLLY) NOTICE HE IS SPEAKING OF THE COMPLETE BEING HERE> and your (WHOLE) SPIRIT and (Soul) (which consists of a Body and Spirit) and BODY may be preserved blameless to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 05 2010,11:06) Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 05 2010,16:43) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 05 2010,11:18) NIck………..You have added another element there, My bible says He took from dust and made a body and added Spirit into it and then man Body+Spirit (BECAME) a LIVING SOUL. Jesus did not share you dogmas when He said “do not fear him who can destory the body and do nothing more but fear him who can (destory) Both body and Soul in the (GRAVE)” . Now it appears the the soul can die (IN) the grave Show scripture support of what you say, “Breath of GOD making body soul and spirit”, like there are (three) distinct thing there. You have it all wrong a BODY PLUS SPIRIT = A SOUL.
Gene Balthrop,Be careful with your mathlike reasoning.
Spirit + Body creates a Living Soul but does not equal a living soul.
Scripture provides examples of the spirit and soul being seperate. 1 Corinthians 15:45 and 1 Thessalonians 5:23 in the King James version are clear examples.
A Soul can still exist without a body though it is considered dead. An example of such is the phantasm/ghost summoned by the Witch of Endor.
Kerwin………The reason the three distinct thing are mentioned in 1Ths 5:23 is because they being mention separately and then (WHOLLY) a SOUL which consists of a BODY and SPIRIT.! Ths 5:23 …> And the very God of peace (sanctify) you (WHOLLY) NOTICE HE IS SPEAKING OF THE COMPLETE BEING HERE> and your (WHOLE) SPIRIT and (Soul) (which consists of a Body and Spirit) and BODY may be preserved blameless to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
GeneJesus disagrees with you…
And fear not them which “kill the body“, **BUT ARE NOT ABLE TO** “kill the soul“: but rather FEAR HIM which is able “to destroy both **SOUL AND BODY** in hell. Matt 10:28
Your logic says you can't have a soul without a body.
Jesus distinguishes between the two!
Blessings WJ
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