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Ro.9:11 … For, not as yet being born, nor putting into practice anything good or bad, that the purpose of God may be remaining as a choice, not out of acts, but of Him Who is calling,
Gods choice, NOT OURS.
Blessings.
Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 02 2010,04:53) Jodi we know who your friend are,you should rather look for God s truth not for your interpretation of god s word this would make you judge of the word of God,
and i know you are but a human ,wake up and see the truth
Terraricca………Yes and we know you are nothing but Human yourself, and are speaking from you own Human self, and when scriptures are posted then you accuse us of taking them out of context , when in fact that is exactly what you are doing, So when you can't understand what is being said You start accusing people of being devils and not understanding scriptures , If you can not give actual scripture to support you dogmas, it might be better for you to Listen and less quick to speak. Or haven't you read Let not a Novice Speak, lest he get puffed up, and fall into the condemnation of the devil (adversary). IMOQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Mar. 03 2010,13:12) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 02 2010,04:53) Jodi we know who your friend are,you should rather look for God s truth not for your interpretation of god s word this would make you judge of the word of God,
and i know you are but a human ,wake up and see the truth
Terraricca………Yes and we know you are nothing but Human yourself, and are speaking from you own Human self, and when scriptures are posted then you accuse us of taking them out of context , when in fact that is exactly what you are doing, So when you can't understand what is being said You start accusing people of being devils and not understanding scriptures , If you can not give actual scripture to support you dogmas, it might be better for you to Listen and less quick to speak. Or haven't you read Let not a Novice Speak, lest he get puffed up, and fall into the condemnation of the devil (adversary). IMO
geneyou have to twist the scriptures to make your point stick;may God be our judge;
Ro 9:3 For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, those of my own race,
Ro 9:4 the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption as sons; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises.
Ro 9:5 Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.
Ro 9:6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.
Ro 9:7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.”
Ro 9:8 In other words, it is not the natural children who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.
Ro 9:9 For this was how the promise was stated: “At the appointed time I will return, and Sarah will have a son.”
Ro 9:10 Not only that, but Rebekah’s children had one and the same father, our father Isaac.
Ro 9:11 Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God’s purpose in election might stand:
Ro 9:12 not by works but by him who calls—she was told, “The older will serve the younger.”
Ro 9:13 Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”
Ro 9:14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all!
Ro 9:15 For he says to Moses,
“I will have mercy on whom I have mercyyou have deviate the meaning of that scripture like always.
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 24 2010,12:16) Adam……..Terraricca rejects scriptures that plainly show our Wills are Captivated and Influenced WILL'S. We Have posted many many scriptures that show this point both I, you, Jodi, Chosenone, but they just can't comprehend it. I as well as themm have shown that as scripture sates, Eph 1:11…> “FOR GOD DOES (ALL) THINGS (AFTER) THE (COUNSEL) of His WILL, this clearly shows GOD'S WILL is a (counseled Will) it does not take a rocket scientist to figure it out. We also operate after the counsel of Our WILL, Neither is there in us a “FREE” WILL but counseled WILLS. Our influenced thoughts drive our wills they are far from “FREE”. They can find no where in scripture where it Say's we all have “FREE” WILLS , but shows the opposite, our will are captivated WILLS and we are held in that captivity until we are set Free from (THAT CAPTIVITY) into ANOTHER CAPTIVITY which is of GOD , that is why only (ONE) WILL, will be Done , this is how GOD will be (IN) all and (THOUGH) All. peace and love to you and yours Adam…………….gene
Thank you very much brother Gene for such encouragement.Peace and love to you
AdamGoll
it is not Gene who died for you it is Christ so you have to accept the scriptures as truth not a mare man,
if you choose to accept man as guide so be it,it is your lost.
Eph 1 ;1 to 19 does not support his views , it is your live i only can bring you to the water,you have to do the drinking yourself.
Eph 1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Eph 1:8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
Eph 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
Eph 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Eph 1:15 Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,
Eph 1:16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;
Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Eph 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
Eph 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
Eph 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,Teraricca …………>Eph 1:19……….And what is the exceeding greatness of (HIS) POWER to us-ward who believe, according to the (WORKING) of (HIS) mighty Power.
Where do you see (OUR) so-called “FREE” WILLS in that statement, Your own scriptures you post prove you wrong. Our own falsely assumed “FREE” Will have nothing to do with our salvation , it the might Power working in our lives that brings us salvation and He is the one that effects us and causes us to be transformed. Our (OWN) so-called “FREE” Wills have nothing to do with it. GOD alone and By HIMSELF is OUR (ONLY) TRUE SAVIOR. IMO
gene
this is repetition
Eph 1:15 Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,
Quote (Jodi Lee @ Mar. 03 2010,05:21) How did God know ahead of time that Jesus would be the firstborn from the dead? Was it because He saw that Jesus would be the first man to choose from the power of his own spirit to follow perfectly His ways? Or was it because God knew how POWERFUL His own Spirit was once He placed it within man that it could cause perfection in man?
Jodi…..they Just don't get it Sis. Pride has decieved them into thinking they are their (OWN) Salvation BY the Falsely called Own “FREE” WILL. They profess GOD but deny the (POWER) thereof.
Jodi Hang on to what GOD has revealed unto you. Our trust is in GOD the FATHER ALONE as Jesus taught us, and (NOT) in our falsely called FREE WILLS, “FOR IT IS GOD THAT (WORKS) IN YOU (BOTH) TO (WILL) AND (DO) OF (HIS) GOOD PLEASURE. YOU HAVE IT RIGHT SIS.Peace and love to you and yours……………gene
Terraricca……….None of what you are quoting has anything to do with the subject of “FREE” WILLS. Just scripture your trying to twist to meet you un-scriptural understandings, Just Forcing the text to try to meet you views. Pure garbage, IMO
gene
if those christians have aquired there faith this means they did not have it before,
and there were practicing the love to the saint.
it amazing you can't understand the scriptures and you try to teach them this is oximoron
Quote (Jodi Lee @ Mar. 03 2010,05:21) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 02 2010,07:03) Quote (Jodi Lee @ Mar. 02 2010,06:33) “there is no word like” CAUSE” in my bibles,you must have your own religion one.” How many times have I given this scripture?
Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my spirit in the midst of you: and I will cause you to walk in my commandments, and to keep my judgments, and do them.
What on earth are you talking about? The word CAUSE is most definitely in the bible. Are you truly THAT BLIND?
Not only are you ignoring scripture, you are not making any sense.
jodiEze 36:27 And I will put my Spirit in you so you will obey my laws and do whatever I command
27 I will put my spirit within you, and make you follow my statutes and be careful to observe my ordinances. 28 Then you shall live in the land that I gave to your ancestors; and you shall be my people, and I will be your God. 29
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them
i also have many different traslations in different language,
there i show you 3 different translations in english,and it seems that the word cause means that God will bring forth the cause to allow the people to walk in the way of God,
this was done by Christ .
The scripture clearly states that God CAUSES or rather MAKES man follow His commandments. He accomplishes this by changing their hearts and minds, by giving them a new heart, a new mind.
Scripture does not state that man chooses God's Spirit, as if he goes up to a drive-up window and can order it.
What part of this do you not get?
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Our OWN spirit cannot choose God, it cannot even understand who God is.
Man can surely choose to read the bible, man can surely declare to himself yes I believe Christ is my savior. Yes man can certainly choose to read the bible and form all sorts of their own doctrines and believe in a false Christ. Man certainly can declare that he has saved himself through believing in the bible, of course that does not mean that it's true. For ONLY God reveals the TRUTH unto an individual, and it is ONLY God's SPIRIT that SAVES.
God chooses us and He reveals Himself to us and this is done through God GIVING His Spirit. The ONLY way for man to understand God is through the Spirit of God.
You say however that the spirit in man has been given a “free will” choice to follow the Spirit of God.
However scripture directly declares that the spirit in man can do NO SUCH THING, it is completely and utterly INCAPABLE of doing so.
The FLESH is WEAK, the FLESH profits us NOTHING, but YOU say that it is our own flesh within us that has the ability to choose God.
Such utter falsehood to say the flesh is strong, that the POWER to save ourselves is within ourselves, we just have to believe what is written. That is pure garbage IMO!!
1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.
2 Corinthians 3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit;* for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
What made Jesus a righteous and perfected man, thus bringing him into eternal life?…..it was the giving of God's Spirit.
The law proved that the spirit in man is incapable of bringing man's own self into righteousness. Christ PROVED that MAN NEEDS the Spirit of God.
What was IN Christ is promised to be given to us, that it may be IN us as well.
If Christ is IN us, we understand that it is the Spirit we need IN us, as it was IN Jesus.
Truly the majority of Christians understanding of Christ is so very shallow IMO.
Christ is the ANOINTED MAN, and he represents the FIRST of a new type of man, a type that God declares He will bring all into.
1 Corinthians 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.
1 Timothy 4:10 For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe.
How did God know ahead of time that Jesus would be the firstborn from the dead? Was it because He saw that Jesus would be the first man to choose from the power of his own spirit to follow perfectly His ways? Or was it because God knew how POWERFUL His own Spirit was once He placed it within man that it could cause perfection in man?
Hi JOdi,
No the Spirit of God is like the gentle breeze that comes and goes and forces nothing.When we are told we must be transformed by renewal of our minds it shows we have a part to play.[Rom12]
As with any good parent who teaches his children God shows us what is best and holds our hand, and we walk. He supplies the grace if we ask, but we must walk while the light is with us.
Nick…………To say we must be transformed by the renewing of our Minds , in (NO) way means we Have a part to play in that. GOD said He looked for (ONE) righteous Man and could find (NONE) so He took it upon HIS OWN ARM to BRIG SALVATION. You preach GOD but you deny His power to SAVE US> Our efforts are worthless, “UNLESS THE lord BUILD THE HOUSE THE WEARY BUILDERS TOIL IN VAIN”. And again, FOR (I) GOD WILL TAKE OUT OF YOU THE HEART OF STONE (heard hearts) AND GIVE YOU A HEART OF FLESH (soft hearts) AND (I) GOD WILL WRITE MY LAWS IN YOUR INWARD PARTS. AND AGAIN, The gentiles who have not the Law but do the things contained in them , show the Law written in their hearts (BY) the Hand of (GOD)> But you keep trying to give the glory to man instead of GOD the FATHER. You are in a dream world if you think the SPIRIT of GOD is ONLY a soft Breeze and forces nothing. It is the (POWER) that formed all things It can be as a soft Breeze But it also can be as a strong as a whirlwind like in the case of JOB. What you i don't think are considering that righteous is a (creation) IT IS NOT our choice BY our own SO-CALLED “free” wills. “for we are (CREATED) unto good works. true righteousness is a CREATION, Nick. There is (NO) Boasting available for anyone before GOD. All honor and Glory goes to HIM none to US, IMO.
G,
Till the morning star arises in your heart you are advised to study the scriptures[2Peter1] because hoping God is going to do it all for you is a vain hope. He does not give folk an armchair ride and is only willing to teach you by enlightening you from the word of life you should be feeding on.Put aside your own vain thoughts.
Get up from your bed and walk.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 04 2010,05:14) G,
FREE WILL is an other name for SATAN in your odd beliefs is it not?
Nick……Your not to far off , It was Man wanting to exercises HIS WILL “FREELY” without reliance on GOD'S WILL. And What was working behind that, YOUR so-called SATAN BEING, right? The spirit of disobedience and Pride works in all who think they are “FREE” WILLED , the only reason they want to be “FREE” WILLED is because they do not want to be told anything they just want it to be from themselves. They only want a Hip pocket GOD, they can us when ever they fill they need to by their so-called “FREE WILLS> They do not accept salvation by the (GRACE) of GOD ALONE. As lone as a person holds on to the idea he wants a “FREE” Will, He has Not put himself to death as Jesus put His Will to death unto the obedience of GOD the FATHER.Hi brother Nick,
Our brother Gene is not alone in this battle and I am with him in his endeavour in negating this so called 'free will'.Nick………I have said God does indeed consist of SEVEN SPIRITS (distinct intellects) of HIS, and these seven Spirits go out into all the earth, and effect His WILL on Creation. Rev 5:6
Nick what may help you understand what i am saying is if you look up the concordance definition of Spirit, you will find it is considered the (RATIONAL SOUL) IN MAN, His MIND, is that not his (intellects) AND A WORD IS THE EXPRESSION OF THAT INTELLECT, I don't worship that, I worship the LORD YhWH, WHO IS MY GOD. HEAR O ISREAL THE LORD YHWH, OUR GOD ELOHIM (POWERS) IS ONE LORD YHWH. THE SEVEN SPIRITS (DISTINCT INTELLECTS WITH POWERS) ARE (BEFORE) THE THRONE OF OUR LORD (YHWH). IMO
peace and love to you and yours………………gene
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