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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 11 2008,13:35) Hi CO,
So you need to ADD to scripture to explain it?
There is no THAT in the verse is there?
We should not add to scripture.
Nick.
I didn't add to scripture, I explained the scripture to you.Hi CO,
You assumed just as you assume what the ALL in 1Cor 15 applies to.
You should not make assumptions.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 11 2008,18:18) Hi CO,
You assumed just as you assume what the ALL in 1Cor 15 applies to.
You should not make assumptions.
HI Nick,
You assume that all does not mean all. You should not make assumptions.“For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified” (I Cor. 15:22).
The same “all” who are dying in Adam (which includes everyone) is the same “all” who are vivified in Christ .
“For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the savior of all men” (I Tim. 4:10).
God is not the “possible” saviour of all men, or just the saviour of all the men that was there at the time, He is the saviour of all men!
“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour, Who WILL have ALL men to be SAVED, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth” (I Tim. 2:4)!
Why do you assume that God can not accomplish what He wills?
TimI hope it's ok to post this here. I have been reading this site for awhile now and I just wantted to make a comment to Mandy. I understand your confusion and frustration…believe me, but one thing we need to keep in mind is that it's our understanding that is flawed but not God's plan. It is a glorious gospel although we see through a glass darkly. It is a great and glorious and marvelous plan because He is a great and glorious and marvelous God even though it isn't always apparent to us. Keep your head up.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 11 2008,18:18) Hi CO,
You assumed just as you assume what the ALL in 1Cor 15 applies to.
You should not make assumptions.
what…? Like the assumptions you made in your topic on Jesus being the door….? Why is it perfectly fine for you to offer your understanding….. your interpretation of the Scriptures, but apparently its not for anyone else? What? Do you have a hot line to God N? Does God whisper the correct translation and interpretation in your ear only, but does not do so for anyone else?!!? You need to stop being a hypocrite N, if you can offer your understanding and translation for a biblical passage, so can anyone else, you are not starting a cult here are you…? Where the only ones who get in are those who agree with your translation, which is the same as saying that if Nick says it, God says it….? Show me one single verse in Scripture where it says “Nick is the only one who knows the true meaning of Scripture, and only he can offer the correct translation and interpretation.”blessings,
KenHi E,
Let scripture speak.
Man should treat the word of God with respect.
Clinging to divines and wild and wooly speculations does not serve the Lord.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 11 2008,18:18) Hi CO,
You assumed just as you assume what the ALL in 1Cor 15 applies to.
You should not make assumptions.
Nick.
Why would you assume that “ALL” in 1Cor.15 means something other than “ALL”?
Believe scripture, not your own mantra.Nick.
If you have trouble understanding what “ALL” means, you have a problem with the English language.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 12 2008,07:19) Hi E,
Let scripture speak.
Man should treat the word of God with respect.
Clinging to divines and wild and wooly speculations does not serve the Lord.
what? like all the Scriptures you just used in this very post?that's what I thought… you can't even be consistent for one post…. everyone else must use the Scriptures, but not you…
blessings,
KenNick….What i see here is You think only your understanding of what scripture is saying is correct, well we all feel that way . I agree with EP to some degree that you tend to position yourself above us by using your own understand as what Scripture, GOD or Jesus Says, when it's your own understanding you pushing forth under the disguise as “scripture says”, when in fact its you own personal posturing thats taking place. Being a monitor does not necessarily of it self mean you have correct understand of scriptures Nick. You assign scripture to fit you views , like when CO, says all means ALL. There are many Scriptures that back up (ALL) meaning (ALL). 1 Ti 4:10….> For therefore we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living GOD, who (IS) the SAVIOR of (ALL) MEN, especially of those that believe. Nick I think (ALL) here truly means (ALL). IMO
peace…………………….gene
GB,
It seems you are adding assumptions to define ALL.
Perhaps you can find a teaching of Jesus Christ to back your ideas up?Nick.
If you don't understand the meaning of “ALL”, look in the dictionary. Others have no trouble understanding English, why is this so difficult for you?CO,
Context.
Scripture never says all will be saved.
Men have choices despite your valiant efforts to deny it.Nick………Jesus said Mat 12:31 …> wherefore I say unto you, (ALL) manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. Notice (ALL) manner of Sin> (Shall Be) forgiven. Again I would like your comment on 1Ti 4:10…..> For therefore we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the Living GOD, (WHO IS THE SAVIOR OF (ALL) MEN, especially of those that believe. and verse 11,..> These things (COMMAND AND TEACH)>, are you commanding and teaching these things Nick. I think not you are teaching a salvation based on the self, a salvation of self works which ignores the GRACE of GOD, and the effectual working of GOD in a persons mind and life. Your restriction of the word (ALL) is not biblical, you are replacing the word ALL with SOME, and you then accuse me of assumptions?.
peace and love to you……………..gene
GB,
God is the Saviour.
Especially of those who believe but He saves beyond that by mercy.
No man is saved except by the abundant grace and power and mercy of our living God.
Jesus never brought the teaching that all men will be saved and you read more into the verse than is meant.
1Tim4
10For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men[3956], specially of those that believe.Number 3956
Transliteration:
pas {pas}
Word Origin:
including all the forms of declension
TDNT:
5:886,795
Part of Speech:
adjective
Usage in the KJV:
all 748, all things 170, every 117, all men 41, whosoever 31, everyone 28, whole 12, all manner of 11, every man 11, no 3756 9, every thing 7, any 7, whatsoever 6, whosoever 3739 302 3, always 1223 3, daily 2250 2, any thing 2, no 3361 2, not tr 7, misc 26Total: 1243
Definition:
individually
each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything
collectively
some of all types
… “the whole world has gone after him” Did all the world go after Christ? “then went all Judea, and were baptized of him in Jordan.” Was all Judea, or all Jerusalem, baptized in Jordan? “Ye are of God, little children”, and the whole world lieth in the wicked one”. Does the whole world there mean everybody? The words “world” and “all” are used in some seven or eight senses in Scripture, and it is very rarely the “all” means all persons, taken individually. The words are generally used to signify that Christ has redeemed some of all sorts — some Jews, some Gentiles, some rich, some poor, and has not restricted His redemption to either Jew or Gentile … C.H. Spurgeon from a sermon on Particular RedemptionPaul was led by the Spirit of Christ. The Spirit does not speak of His own initiative but takes us back to the teaching of Chriost. Jesus never taught what you say Paul teaches. We are told to spurn those who go beyond the teaching of Christ and Paul does not do so….neither should you.
Quote (chosenone @ Nov. 12 2008,17:23) Nick.
If you don't understand the meaning of “ALL”, look in the dictionary. Others have no trouble understanding English, why is this so difficult for you?
CO,
Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary – Cite This Source – Share This
AllAll\, a. [OE. al, pl. alle, AS. eal, pl. ealle, Northumbrian alle, akin to D. & OHG. al, Ger. all, Icel. allr. Dan. al, Sw. all, Goth. alls; and perh. to Ir. and Gael. uile, W. oll.]
1. The whole quantity, extent, duration, amount, quality, or degree of; the whole; the whole number of; any whatever; every; as, all the wheat; all the land; all the year; all the strength; all happiness; all abundance; loss of all power; beyond all doubt; you will see us all (or all of us).
Prove all things: hold fast that which is good. –1 Thess. v. 21.
2. Any. [Obs.] “Without all remedy.” –Shak.
Note: When the definite article “the,” or a possessive or a demonstrative pronoun, is joined to the noun that all qualifies, all precedes the article or the pronoun; as, all the cattle; all my labor; all his wealth; all our families; all your citizens; all their property; all other joys.
Note: This word, not only in popular language, but in the Scriptures, often signifies, indefinitely, a large portion or number, or a great part. Thus, all the cattle in Egypt died, all Judea and all the region round about Jordan, all men held John as a prophet, are not to be understood in a literal sense, but as including a large part, or very great numbers.
3. Only; alone; nothing but.
I was born to speak all mirth and no matter. –Shak.
All the whole, the whole (emphatically). [Obs.] “All the whole army.” –Shak.
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