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(42767……The gentiles who HAVE NOT THE LAW Do the things contained in them (SHOW) the laws of GOD written on there Hearts (BY) The HAND OF GOD> now if they are saved or judged by there own works then why would GOD have to write His laws on there own Hearts and if He did it for the gentiles can't he do it for anyone he choses to. We are the clay (HE) is the Potter and the potter has power over the clay to make of the same lump a vessel of honor or dishonor. What ever (HE CHOSES). If God is not willing any parish then neither am I. If God has concluded (ALL) under sin that He might Have mercy on ALL, who am i to question GOD or ignore His Will.
love and peace to you and yours………………….gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 02 2008,13:47) (42767……The gentiles who HAVE NOT THE LAW Do the things contained in them (SHOW) the laws of GOD written on there Hearts (BY) The HAND OF GOD> now if they are saved or judged by there own works then why would GOD have to write His laws on there own Hearts and if He did it for the gentiles can't he do it for anyone he choses to. We are the clay (HE) is the Potter and the potter has power over the clay to make of the same lump a vessel of honor or dishonor. What ever (HE CHOSES). If God is not willing any parish then neither am I. If God has concluded (ALL) under sin that He might Have mercy on ALL, who am i to question GOD or ignore His Will. love and peace to you and yours………………….gene
Hi brother Gene,
That is a nice way to explain that God is in full control of His creation.Thanks and ;ove to you
AdamQuote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 02 2008,13:47) (42767……The gentiles who HAVE NOT THE LAW Do the things contained in them (SHOW) the laws of GOD written on there Hearts (BY) The HAND OF GOD> now if they are saved or judged by there own works then why would GOD have to write His laws on there own Hearts and if He did it for the gentiles can't he do it for anyone he choses to. We are the clay (HE) is the Potter and the potter has power over the clay to make of the same lump a vessel of honor or dishonor. What ever (HE CHOSES). If God is not willing any parish then neither am I. If God has concluded (ALL) under sin that He might Have mercy on ALL, who am i to question GOD or ignore His Will. love and peace to you and yours………………….gene
Hi Gene:I have stated that God judges every man according to his works because that is what the scriptures state. Are you arguing that this is not so?
As Christians we are judged by the works that we do in obedience or disobedience to God's Word.
Quote 2Cr 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things [done] in [his] body, according to that he hath done, whether [it be] good or bad. Those who are not saved will be judged according to their works. The also have a conscience and know good and evil, but they do not have a personal relationship with God.
Quote Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Quote Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. Quote Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.God Bless
Hi Gene:
Going back and reading your post you say:
Quote The gentiles who HAVE NOT THE LAW Do the things contained in them (SHOW) the laws of GOD written on there Hearts (BY) The HAND OF GOD> now if they are saved or judged by there own works then why would GOD have to write His laws on there own Hearts I believe that you are misquoting God's Word. This is what the scripture to which you refer states:
Quote Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: God Bless
942767……Rom 2:15…..> which show the law written in their Hearts, and their conscience also bearing witness, accusing or else excusing one another. Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Jer 31:33 but this shall be the covenant that I will make with the House of Israel; after those days saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts and write it in their hearts; and will be their God , and they shall be my people.Inorder for a person to obey God's law by nature Gods law , it takes God Spirit for that to happen, salvation is a work of GOD not of Man. imo
peace to you and yours……………….gene
Hi Gene:
You say:
Quote Inorder for a person to obey God's law by nature Gods law , it takes God Spirit for that to happen, salvation is a work of GOD not of Man. imo Yes, of course salvation is a work of God and not of man, but God uses man to accomplish His purpose, but my understanding is that the Apostle Paul in these verses of scripture in Romans that you are quoting is not talking about the saved Gentiles, but they have a conscience knowing good and evil, and if they are obeying good then they are by nature obeying God's laws even though they do not have the law whereas the Jews that do have the law were not obeying the law. And I could be wrong he may be talking about the gentiles who have the Holy Spirit, but at any rate, I believe that the Apostle Paul is making the following points to the Jews:
Quote Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrathQuote Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law [are] just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.God Bless
Hi Gene:
You say quote the following scripture:
Quote Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Spirit. This scripture refers to Cornelius who is a good example of a gentile who was not under the law but was already obeying God.
Quote Act 10:1 There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian [band],
Act 10:2 [A] devout [man], and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.Of course, we know that “by the works of the law shall not man be saved”. Why? Because all men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Even we who are born again Christians who have the Holy Spirit “fall short of the glory of God”. Thank God for the blood of Jesus.
Tell me, Gene, just how does God write His laws on our hearts? Explain it to me so that I can understand it.
God Bless
942767 Since Gen does not answer you I thought I would say something about how the Law is wrtitten in our hearts.
Jesus on the sermon on the Mount told us how all is made spiritual, we keep the law not just by the letter of the law.
For example if you are angry at your brother, you already commited murder in your heart, if you lust after a woman you have aready commited adultery in your heart. etc.etc.
We are under the New Covenant and all is spiritual.
If you look at the tread “Covenant” there is more about the subject.
Peace and Love IreneQuote (Tiffany @ Nov. 03 2008,15:01) 942767 Since Gen does not answer you I thought I would say something about how the Law is wrtitten in our hearts.
Jesus on the sermon on the Mount told us how all is made spiritual, we keep the law not just by the letter of the law.
For example if you are angry at your brother, you already commited murder in your heart, if you lust after a woman you have aready commited adultery in your heart. etc.etc.
We are under the New Covenant and all is spiritual.
If you look at the tread “Covenant” there is more about the subject.
Peace and Love Irene
Hi Mrs:Thanks for your input, but I have asked Gene to answer this question for a reason.
God Bless
942767…..sorry, just read you question….You ask how does God write his laws on our hearts, God takes out the stony heart and gives us soft hearts, by the operation of HIS GRACE (Gods influencing on the heart) For you are saved by grace and that not of yourselves, it (IS) the gift of GOD, lest any should (BOAST). We are transformed by God in our minds and hearts. His Spirit transforms us, we are (CREATED) unto good works by the hand of GOD. For it is GOD who works in us to (BOTH) will and do his good pleasure.
Man can not take no credit for what GOD himself does. To try to would make you a thief. Man wants to take credit for his own salvation, he is a lier and a thief as Jesus said all that ever came before me were lairs and thieves. Man kind does not want the SOVEREIGNTY OF GOD in their lives.
peace to you and yours……………gene
Hi Gene:
You say:
Quote we are (CREATED) unto good works by the hand of GOD. Does this mean that we have to obey “these good works” or not?
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 04 2008,01:33) 942767…..sorry, just read you question….You ask how does God write his laws on our hearts, God takes out the stony heart and gives us soft hearts, by the operation of HIS GRACE (Gods influencing on the heart) For you are saved by grace and that not of yourselves, it (IS) the gift of GOD, lest any should (BOAST). We are transformed by God in our minds and hearts. His Spirit transforms us, we are (CREATED) unto good works by the hand of GOD. For it is GOD who works in us to (BOTH) will and do his good pleasure. Man can not take no credit for what GOD himself does. To try to would make you a thief. Man wants to take credit for his own salvation, he is a lier and a thief as Jesus said all that ever came before me were lairs and thieves. Man kind does not want the SOVEREIGNTY OF GOD in their lives.
peace to you and yours……………gene
No, Gene:You aren't quoting the Word of God accurately. You are cutting out a word here and a word there and you make it appear that you know what you are talking about, but no, you haven't explained how God writes His Laws in our hearts.
When we come to Him by faith with a repentant heart through our Lord Jesus, all of our sins are washed away. The unclean spirit that we had while we were in the world is now gone and God now dwells within us by His Holy Spirit. We are born again and we are now a new creature in Christ Jesus, but we are babes in Christ. Then by his Holy Spirit leads us into all truths in His Word, and we become like Jesus, who is the express image of His person as we learn to apply the Word that He teaches to our daily lives. That is how he writes His laws in our hearts.
God is my Father and I obey Him out my love for Him. God is sovereign and He can do whatsoever He pleases, but He won't force anyone to obey Him.
How can anyone take credit for their salvation when without our Lord Jesus whom God gave to be the propitiation for our sins no one could be saved?
God Bless
942767………So you don't believe GOD said He would take OUT the Stony Heart then. Also it seems you don't believe where it says ” for it is God who works in you (BOTH) to will and do HIS good pleasure'”. God is Sovereign also because He can (CREATE) a NEW HEART in a person. He does it by His Holy Spirit, You say God won't force anyone to obey Him, If only (one will), will be done then He is Sovereign over all wills. You say (If) we come to him by Faith with a repentant Heart through our Lord Jesus. By who and how does that happen if not by the power of God himself. You try to make it appear as if we decide to repent on our own without God help. But scripture says , the carnal mind (the one we are born with) is enmity to God it is not subject to God neither indeed can be. Jesus Christ said he could do nothing of himself it was the Father in Him doing the work. The carnal mind does not like the total SOVEREIGNTY of GOD in (ALL THINGS)
peace……………..gene
Quote (942767 @ Nov. 04 2008,09:35) Hi Gene: You say:
Quote we are (CREATED) unto good works by the hand of GOD. Does this mean that we have to obey “these good works” or not?
942767……If God created anything to GOOD WORKS (IT) will do good works. or do you deny GOD creative powers? Do you think He need our permission to DO what He wants to.Remember He is the potter we are the clay.peace………..gene
Hi Gene:
I believe the Word of God not your opinions. Did God force you to tithe as you have shared in your testimony or did you do it wilfully?
It's true that we can't control our destiny – all must die according to the bible – according to the original sin – according to a supposed loving Father who holds death over his children. Sure, there's a saviour, but not until we die. The fear of death cripples some. And why shouldn't it? We live and toil and love —- only to never know when our time is up? When it's over. All is lost and forgotten. It's a terrible thing to do to a person.
I think the Christian plan is flawed. Period.
Hi Mandy:
That may be your opinion, but this is what the scriptures state and I know that this is the truth. I can't find any flaw in this at all.
Quote Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Jhn 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Jhn 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.942767………..your quote, Jhn 3:21 But he that doth truth cometh to the light, that his deed may be manifest, that they (his deeds) are wrought (performed) in or (BY) GOD. Jesus said (NO) man can come unto me (UNLESS) the Father draw Him. Doesn't sound like he is doing it himself through his own repentance to me. True repentance is (CAUSED) by GOD, not the person repenting. All men walk in darkness unless God enlightens then by His own power. BY GRACE (Gods influencing on the heart) are you saved and that not of yourselves it is a (GIFT) of GOD.
Truth is the Carnal mind (DESPISES) GOD'S SOVEREIGNTY> It can't stand it.
gene
Quote (942767 @ Nov. 04 2008,12:41) Hi Gene: I believe the Word of God not your opinions. Did God force you to tithe as you have shared in your testimony or did you do it wilfully?
942767…….a better question would be what causes me to question GOD”s existence and his dealing with me in my life. I believe the seeking for that truth, that God put in my heart was the reason, i did it. The Spirit of truth that God put in me caused me to even question his existence. And He gave me plenty of PROOF. Without which a man only has suppositions no matter how many words he quotes.And i will say the same thing to you I will trust God words over your opinions also.
gene
Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 04 2008,15:09) 942767………..your quote, Jhn 3:21 But he that doth truth cometh to the light, that his deed may be manifest, that they (his deeds) are wrought (performed) in or (BY) GOD. Jesus said (NO) man can come unto me (UNLESS) the Father draw Him. Doesn't sound like he is doing it himself through his own repentance to me. True repentance is (CAUSED) by GOD, not the person repenting. All men walk in darkness unless God enlightens then by His own power. BY GRACE (Gods influencing on the heart) are you saved and that not of yourselves it is a (GIFT) of GOD. Truth is the Carnal mind (DESPISES) GOD'S SOVEREIGNTY> It can't stand it.
gene
Sorry Gene, the scripture states that the goodness of God leads a man to repentance, but it is up to that man to repent. And the gospel is preached to every creature by someone who has the Holy Ghost, and so, every man is called or drawn to Himself through the gospel but not all will believe and some will believe but will not repent.Both you and I responsible to God for what we teach, and so, I'll just pray and ask God to correct either you or me because obviously one of us is wrong in what we are teaching.
Quote Mat 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mar 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Mar 6:12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent.
Luk 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Luk 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost
Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Act 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and [then] to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
Luk 5:32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Luk 15:7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Act 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
Act 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and [then] to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
2Ti 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.God Bless
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