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Quote (chosenone @ Oct. 25 2008,18:18) So if you were struck by a lightning like flash, and blinded, and a voice from heaven spoke to you, and said to you “I am Jesus…” I am sure you would say, “no I won't do it”. Not very likely. Blessings.
Hi CO,
So we should all expect this?Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 24 2008,13:57) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 22 2008,15:40) Hi GB,
If God did not say so who should presume on His will and teach something when it is not written?
A brave but foolish man might.
Nick….1 Ti 2:2-3….> for this is good and acceptable in the sight of GOD our Savior: who (WILL HAVE) ALL men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. Who am I to disagree with what GOD WILL HAVE DONE. Maybe some foolish who think they represent Him might be bold enough to say the opposite but not me. Plus there are many other scriptures that show this also, as I have quoted many times before. We either believe the word of God or not.
Hi Gene,There are Christians who feel as if Christianity is not an exclusive club unless many are excluded.
God's will, will be done.
Tim
Quote (chosenone @ Oct. 25 2008,18:18) So if you were struck by a lightning like flash, and blinded, and a voice from heaven spoke to you, and said to you “I am Jesus…” I am sure you would say, “no I won't do it”. Not very likely. Blessings.
Hi CO:It is God's will that no man should perish but that all should come to repentance.
Quote Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance The Apostle Paul, before this incident, was a Pharisee who thought he was obeying God even in persecuting the church.
Quote 1Ti 1:12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
1Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did [it] ignorantly in unbelief.And yes, it he would have been quite stupid to tell the Lord that he did not want to obey him, but nevertheless, he had a choice and made the right one. It is stupid for any man not to want to be reconciled to God and to obey him. He wants the best for us. Nevertheless, there are some who have made the choice that they did not want to obey and there will be some in this present day that will also make that decision.
Quote Jhn 12:42 Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess [him], lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
Jhn 12:43 For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.Quote Rev 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Rev 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
Rev 16:11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.God Bless
Ro..9:11 … For, not as yet being born, nor putting into practice anything good or bad, that the purpose of God may be remaining as a choice, not out of acts, but of Him Who is calling,
“Free will”?
Tim and Chosenone……….As our sister Jodi would say you both nailed it. This whole thing about free will is very important to understand because it shows who is really in charge of everything. And if properly understood can give great peace to a person. You simply have to believe ” by GRACE (God's influencing on you heart) are you (saved) and not of (yourselves) it is a (GIFT) of GOD, lest any man should BOAST”. How would they boast by saying it was their “free will” that brought about their salvation.
peace and love to you both……………………gene
Quote (chosenone @ Oct. 26 2008,18:08) Ro..9:11 … For, not as yet being born, nor putting into practice anything good or bad, that the purpose of God may be remaining as a choice, not out of acts, but of Him Who is calling, “Free will”?
Hi CO:Freedom to choose whether or not to obey when God is calling wanting you to come into a relationship with Him and obey Him so that He can bless you, not because of your goodness but because of His goodness. It does not matter how good or how bad you have been, but when he called you responded, saying yes I believe and yes, I will obey your commandments.
Many are called but few are chosen. The gospel is to be preached to every creature, but not every one will believe, and be reconciled to God.
God Bless
GB,
We are not to boast of salvation.
We are not to boast of grace.
We are to work out our salvation in fear and trembling.Some will fall away.
25 For He (Jesus) must be reigning until He should be placing all His enemies under His feet.
26 The last enemy is being abolished: death.
27 For He subjects all under His feet. Now whenever He may be saying that all is subject, it is evident that it is outside of Him Who subjects all to Him.
28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.)God will be “ALL IN ALL”. Doesn't mention only those who “chose”.
Hi CO:
Quote 1Cr 15:1 Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand.
1Cr 15:2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.Quote 1Cr 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
1Cr 15:23 But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
1Cr 15:24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and powerQuote 1Cr 15:33 Do not be misled: “Bad company corrupts good character.”
1Cr 15:34 Come back to your senses as you ought, and stop sinning; for there are some who are ignorant of God-I say this to your shame.God Bless
Phil.2:12-14 …12 So that, my beloved, according as you always obey, not as in my presence only, but now much rather in my absence, with fear and trembling, be carrying your own salvation into effect,
13 for it is God Who is operating in you to will as well as to work for the sake of His delight.
14 All be doing without murmurings and reasonings,All scripture must agree, if not, there is misunderstanding.
Quote (chosenone @ Oct. 27 2008,14:27) Phil.2:12-14 …12 So that, my beloved, according as you always obey, not as in my presence only, but now much rather in my absence, with fear and trembling, be carrying your own salvation into effect,
13 for it is God Who is operating in you to will as well as to work for the sake of His delight.
14 All be doing without murmurings and reasonings,All scripture must agree, if not, there is misunderstanding.
True.Quote (TimothyVI @ Oct. 26 2008,00:11) Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Oct. 24 2008,13:57) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 22 2008,15:40) Hi GB,
If God did not say so who should presume on His will and teach something when it is not written?
A brave but foolish man might.
Nick….1 Ti 2:2-3….> for this is good and acceptable in the sight of GOD our Savior: who (WILL HAVE) ALL men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. Who am I to disagree with what GOD WILL HAVE DONE. Maybe some foolish who think they represent Him might be bold enough to say the opposite but not me. Plus there are many other scriptures that show this also, as I have quoted many times before. We either believe the word of God or not.
Hi Gene,There are Christians who feel as if Christianity is not an exclusive club unless many are excluded.
God's will, will be done.
Tim
Tim,What do you mean?
Thanks,
MandyQuote (TimothyVI @ Oct. 26 2008,00:11) Hi Gene, There are Christians who feel as if Christianity is not an exclusive club unless many are excluded.
God's will, will be done.
Tim
Hi Tim.
Well said, I couldn't agree more.Blessings.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 27 2008,07:19) Hi CO,
Certainly God will be in all
of the remnant people.
I don't recall the word “remnant” in that scripture. Another addition to man made gospel?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 24 2008,14:09) GB,
All are welcome into the kingdom.
All must repent.
Fruit?
Greetings Nick…..Yes ! And God in his infinite mercy and grace grants repentance to all who seek him in earnest and want to change(repent)…As I see it this gives everybody an opportunity for salvation….Your works are as rags and a stench in his nostrils….We are to seek him and humble ourselves as to likeness of little children…To be able to do this would clearly be the fruits of our repentance…Quote (theodorej @ Oct. 28 2008,00:50) Greetings Nick…..Yes ! And God in his infinite mercy and grace grants repentance to all who seek him in earnest and want to change(repent)…As I see it this gives everybody an opportunity for salvation….Your works are as rags and a stench in his nostrils….We are to seek him and humble ourselves as to likeness of little children…To be able to do this would clearly be the fruits of our repentance…
2Cor.5:18-19 …18 Yet all is of God, Who conciliates us to Himself through Christ, and is giving us the dispensation of the conciliation,
19 how that God was in Christ, conciliating the world to Himself, not reckoning their offenses to them, and placing in us the word of the conciliation.Ph.2:12-13 …12 So that, my beloved, according as you always obey, not as in my presence only, but now much rather in my absence, with fear and trembling, be carrying your own salvation into effect,
13 for it is God Who is operating in you to will as well as to work for the sake of His delightEph.1:3-6 …3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Who blesses us with every spiritual blessing among the celestials, in Christ,
4 according as He chooses us in Him before the disruption of the world, we to be holy and flawless in His sight,
5 in love designating us beforehand for the place of a son for Him through Christ Jesus; in accord with the delight of His will,
6 for the laud of the glory of His grace, which graces us in the Beloved:Ep.2:10 …10 For His achievement are we, being created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God makes ready beforehand, that we should be walking in them.
Ro.9:11 …11 For, not as yet being born, nor putting into practice anything good or bad, that the purpose of God may be remaining as a choice, not out of acts, but of Him Who is calling,
Ro.8:29-31 …who are called according to the purpose
29 that, whom He foreknew, He designates beforehand, also, to be conformed to the image of His Son, for Him to be Firstborn among many brethren.
30 Now whom He designates beforehand, these He calls also, and whom He calls, these He justifies also; now whom He justifies, these He glorifies also.
31 What then, shall we declare to these things? If God is for us, who is against us?This last one really sums it all up…
Ro11:35-36 …35 or, who gives to Him first, and it will be repaid Him?
36 seeing that out of Him and through Him and for Him is all: to Him be the glory for the eons! Amen!Blessings.
Quote (chosenone @ Oct. 28 2008,05:10) Quote (theodorej @ Oct. 28 2008,00:50) Greetings Nick…..Yes ! And God in his infinite mercy and grace grants repentance to all who seek him in earnest and want to change(repent)…As I see it this gives everybody an opportunity for salvation….Your works are as rags and a stench in his nostrils….We are to seek him and humble ourselves as to likeness of little children…To be able to do this would clearly be the fruits of our repentance…
2Cor.5:18-19 …18 Yet all is of God, Who conciliates us to Himself through Christ, and is giving us the dispensation of the conciliation,
19 how that God was in Christ, conciliating the world to Himself, not reckoning their offenses to them, and placing in us the word of the conciliation.Ph.2:12-13 …12 So that, my beloved, according as you always obey, not as in my presence only, but now much rather in my absence, with fear and trembling, be carrying your own salvation into effect,
13 for it is God Who is operating in you to will as well as to work for the sake of His delightEph.1:3-6 …3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Who blesses us with every spiritual blessing among the celestials, in Christ,
4 according as He chooses us in Him before the disruption of the world, we to be holy and flawless in His sight,
5 in love designating us beforehand for the place of a son for Him through Christ Jesus; in accord with the delight of His will,
6 for the laud of the glory of His grace, which graces us in the Beloved:Ep.2:10 …10 For His achievement are we, being created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God makes ready beforehand, that we should be walking in them.
Ro.9:11 …11 For, not as yet being born, nor putting into practice anything good or bad, that the purpose of God may be remaining as a choice, not out of acts, but of Him Who is calling,
Ro.8:29-31 …who are called according to the purpose
29 that, whom He foreknew, He designates beforehand, also, to be conformed to the image of His Son, for Him to be Firstborn among many brethren.
30 Now whom He designates beforehand, these He calls also, and whom He calls, these He justifies also; now whom He justifies, these He glorifies also.
31 What then, shall we declare to these things? If God is for us, who is against us?This last one really sums it all up…
Ro11:35-36 …35 or, who gives to Him first, and it will be repaid Him?
36 seeing that out of Him and through Him and for Him is all: to Him be the glory for the eons! Amen!Blessings.
Greetings chosenone…..Are we of one mind….on this issue…judging from your recitation of scripture I would have to think we agree….an acknowledgement would be in keeping with the dictates of courtesy….Chosenone……….AMEN Brother………as our sister Jodi would say you nailed it.
love and peace to you and yours…………………gene
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