Free Will?

[TimothyVI]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 02 2008,06:22)

Hi Tim4, God is sovereign. Should we judge His motives?

Hi Nick,
who is judging His motives.
God said that He did not want man to eat from the tree
of knowledge of good and evil because then his eyes would
be opened and he would know the difference between good and evil.

God said that is why he forbade eating from that tree.

Gen 2:17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.”
Gen 3:5 “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

Tim

[NickHassan]

Quote (chosenone @ Oct. 02 2008,06:24)

Nick.    All will, at the consummation, when God will be “All in all”.  (not All in some)

Hi CO,
Some will have been put in the fire.
God will not be among the goats.

[NickHassan]

Hi Tim4,
So God did not want our eyes opened at that time.
Should we argue?

[942767]

Quote (chosenone @ Oct. 02 2008,06:20)

Hi 942767.     Sorry for the delay in answering re this post of yours: What does the following scripture say? Quote   Act 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and [then] to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.   This says (then) to the gentiles, “THAT THEY SHOULD REPENT AND TURN TO GOD, AND DO WORKS MEET FOR REPENTANCE”. This is from the bible CO I did not interpret what it said.  I just posted the scripture. My answer:     After looking at this scripture you quoted, I did a little more research on this matter, and found a few more in Pauls epistles… Ro.2:4  …Or are you despising the riches of His kindness and forbearance and patience, being ignorant that the kindness of God is leading you to repentance? 2Cor.7:9-10 …Now I am rejoicing, not that you were made sorry, but that you were made sorry to repentance. For you were made sorry according to God, that in nothing you may suffer forfeit by us. For sorrow according to God is producing repentance for unregretted salvation, yet the sorrow of the world is producing death. 2Tim.2:25 …with meekness training those who are antagonizing, seeing whether God may be giving them repentance to come into a realization of the truth, Your reply led me to do this research, and thanks to you (although all is of God) I now have gained some knowledge I hadn't had before.  Yes, we do have to repent, but as these scripture says, it is not of ourselves, it is God working in us.     I have always believed that all scripture has to agree with these two scriptures: Ro.11:34-36 …34 For, who knew the mind of the Lord? or, who became His adviser? 35 or, who gives to Him first, and it will be repaid Him? 36 seeing that out of Him and through Him and for Him is all: to Him be the glory for the eons! Amen! And:   Eph.1-11 … in Him in Whom our lot was cast also, being designated beforehand according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will, And these scriptures do agree. Thanks 942767, God Bless.

Hi CO:

I am glad that you and I are in unity that we have to believe and repent in order to be saved.

As the scripture that you quoted states, it is God because of his goodness who leads us to repentance. But it is up to us to repent which means that we are sorry for our sins and it also means that when God convicts us that we are doing wrong and shows us what He wants us to do through His Word we will obey Him.

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Hbr 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; Hbr 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

This is my understanding.

What do you mean by “all is of God”?

God Bless

[NickHassan]

Hi Tim4,
Has knowing right from wrong helped the human race?
It has removed any excuses.

[charity]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 02 2008,12:32)

Hi Tim4, Has knowing right from wrong helped the human race? It has removed any excuses.

Adam force feed Knowledge to the Nations concerning his thoughts of how hos created the earth?.

so what now?

Some extra Knowledge will remove his conditional god of the throne of unconditional wisdom.

(For the LORD thy God [is] a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee

Deu 4:32¶For ask now of the days that are past, which were before thee, since the day that God created man upon the earth, and [ask] from the one side of heaven unto the other, whether there hath been [any such thing] as this great thing [is], or hath been heard like it? Did [ever] people hear the voice of God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as thou hast heard, and live?Or hath God assayed to go [and] take him a nation from the midst of [another] nation, by temptations, by signs, and by wonders, and by war, and by a mighty hand, and by a stretched out arm, and by great terrors, according to all that the LORD your God did for you in Egypt before your eyes?

So amongst the thorns she sits herself down and eats the apples off a tree that she be loves, respects, and honors. as clear speech?
Sgs 2:2As the lily among thorns, so [is] my love among the daughters. As the apple tree among the trees of the wood, so [is] my beloved among the sons. I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and his fruit [was] sweet to my taste.

[NickHassan]

Hi charity,
Man's choice to rebel have the understanding without the grace and power to manage it.
Praise God for Jesus Christ full of grace and truth.

[NickHassan]

Hi charity,
Would you let your 10yo go on unprepared on a solo flying lesson?
What if he took off without you knowing?

[charity]

Job 31:33   If I covered my transgressions as Adam, by hiding mine iniquity in my bosom:

1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Job 31:1I made a covenant with mine eyes; why then should I think upon a maid?
For what portion of God [is there] from above? and [what] inheritance of the Almighty from on high?
[Is] not destruction to the wicked? and a strange [punishment] to the workers of iniquity?

This also [were] an iniquity [to be punished by] the judge: for I should have denied the God [that is] above.

Neither have I suffered my mouth to sin by wishing a curse to his soul.

Job 31:35Oh that one would hear me! behold, my desire [is, that] the Almighty would answer me, and [that] mine adversary had written a book.
If my land cry against me, or that the furrows likewise thereof complain; If I have eaten the fruits thereof without money, or have caused the owners thereof to lose their
Let thistles grow instead of wheat, and cockle instead of barley. The words of Job are ended.

So these three men ceased to answer Job, because he [was] righteous in his own eyes.

Then was kindled the wrath of Elihu the son of Barachel the Buzite, of the kindred of Ram: against Job was his wrath kindled, because he justified himself rather than God.

I said, Days should speak, and multitude of years should teach wisdom.

Job…. But [there is] a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.

[NickHassan]

Hi Charity,
God is sovereign.
get over it.

[charity]

Get over What?

I am using the bible, “FARE”, sharpening pen against PEN

IT may AS WELL JUST BE, THAT YOU WISH ME TO BOW TO YOUR PERCEPTIONS.

are YOU ATTEMPTING TO REMOVE MY FREE WILL. NICK?

[NickHassan]

Hi charity,
Not my goad that you kick.

[NickHassan]

Hi charity,
Our trust in God accepts that He is in control, that we do not need to understand everything, that He has sent His gifts and blessings and anointed teachings with His servants to light the way to being with Him, and we need all these things and throwing some of them away would not be helpful as He has guided us in peace thus far and He knows best.

[theodorej]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 02 2008,12:32)

Hi Tim4, Has knowing right from wrong helped the human race? It has removed any excuses.

AH !! Nick…..The secret is to know what IS..IS

[chosenone]

Hi 942767.

You said… Hi CO:

I am glad that you and I are in unity that we have to believe and repent in order to be saved.

As the scripture that you quoted states, it is God because of his goodness who leads us to repentance. But it is up to us to repent which means that we are sorry for our sins and it also means that when God convicts us that we are doing wrong and shows us what He wants us to do through His Word we will obey Him.

My answer: We sort of agree, I believe that scripture says, “We are saved when God convicts us, then we repent, not that we are saved 'because' we repent. I think Gene pointed this out to us in an earlier post.
If you look at the scriptures I refered to, Notice in Ro.2:4 …being ignorant that the kindness of God is leading you to repentance?
And in 2Cor.7:9 …but that you were made sorry to repentance. For you were made sorry according to God
Also in 2Tim.2:25 …but that you were made sorry to repentance. For you were made sorry according to God

Notice all these scriptures are pointing out that it was God leading us to repentence, not us repenting of our own (free will?) that resulted in our salvation.

You also ask: “what do you mean all is of God?” It means exactly what it says, let me use and example. Imagine the whole creation is a play, and God is the authour. He (God) has written the script for what is happening from the begining to the end. All will happen exactly as He has described. We are the actors, we act out exactly what the script says we should do. This is confirmed by the scripture in Eph.1:11 …”in Him in Whom our lot was cast also, being designated beforehand according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His will,”
Does this not descibe what God is doing? Nothing is of us,we cannot save ourselves by “doing” certain things, “all is of God”
Hopes this helps.

Also, the book of “Hebrews” is to whom the tiltle describes, the Hebrews, as noted in the first chapter and verse …1 By many portions and many modes, of old, God, speaking to the fathers in the prophets,

Blessings, Jerry.

[GeneBalthrop]

Chosenone……right on brother, we are caused to repent by GOD, “for godly sorrow works repentance not to be repented of”.
Shakespear once said the world is a stage and we the actors, interesting statement. Kind of ties in with what you said.

love and peace to you and yours…………..gene

[NickHassan]

GB,
So you and CO really believe this is a punch and judy show in which we take no part but are just observers?

You must walk while the light is with you .
Do not let the grace of God be wasted.

[NickHassan]

GB,
Shakepeare did not write any of the books of the bible on which we rely for truth.
Just another carnal man of the world.

1 John 4:5
They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1 John 2:15
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

[chosenone]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Oct. 03 2008,05:58)

GB, So you and CO really believe this is a punch and judy show in which we take no part but are just observers?   You must walk while the light is with you . Do not let the grace of God be wasted.

Nick.
Wrong again (how often?). We are not just observers, we are “partakers”.

Also, do you not understand what “Grace” is?

Blessings.

[NickHassan]

Hi CO,
What of this play?
If God leads towards repentance and grace is irrepressible why do not all repent that they might be saved?

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